Ariz. lawmakers to target automatic citizenship

My Great State of Arizona is Taking The Fight To The Government Again!
Yes, I'm Proud to be an Arizonian
I don't have to Worry About What An illegal Thinks Of Me, Because they know Damn Well What I Think Of Them.
Go through the process like my wife did and so many other have done, Stop expecting us to understand your language in public and try honestly to learn ours, Stop sending the vast majority of your monies made in America back to Mexico for you to live on when you believe you've made enough for now.

Stop clogging our Emergency Room because you or your kid has a cough or runny nose.

Try reading from the article: news.yahoo.com...
and another for your enjoyment:'Birth tourism' lost in shadow of birthright citizenship debate
news.yahoo.com...

An excerpt from above article: Activists seeking to close the birthright citizenship loophole currently presented by the far-reaching interpretation of the 14th Amendment are vilified by illegal immigrant advocates as engaging in "anti-Hispanic sentiment."

Broadening the view just a bit, it is noteworthy that birthright citizenship (and the birth tourism it spawned) is a phenomenon that affects the United States because it offers something plenty of other countries are very careful to avoid.

For example, centrist-governed Finland (hardly a hotbed of racism) requires at least one parent to be a Finnish citizen before awarding citizenship to a child. Ireland, too, changed its rules in 2004 to no longer automatically confer citizenship on children born within its borders.

And before you Sanctuary Cities and Open Border Crowd starts calling me a Racist and Nazi and A Haters of Mexicans or I Hate The Brown Skinned People,,,,
From the article: Well-to-do South Korean women in particular make use of the birthright citizenship loophole of the 14th Amendment. Enabling their sons to avoid mandatory military service via an American citizenship, they also ensure that grown children can come to the United States for an education. As a fringe benefit, the grown children can bring over their entire families.

The women pay cash for the medical bills and time the process to fall within the confines of a three-month visitor visa. It is not illegal for this practice to take place and, not surprisingly, a cottage industry catering to the well-heeled clientele has sprung up in the United States and also in South Korea.

Birth tourism is also a hot commodity for Chinese women ready to have their children. Travel agencies that set up birth tours stress that they are not doing anything wrong. Technically and legally, they are correct.

After all, it is not against the law for a pregnant woman to enter the United States. At the same time, it is also not illegal for her to give birth here. In fact, for some Chinese women it may be considered an issue of circumnavigating their country's one-child rule.

And By The Way, My Wife is Chinese and Our Daughter Was Born in China and was considered a Chinese Citizen and I was required to obtain a Chinese Passport before our daughter could apply with her mother for their visa to come and join me in America after I was sent back here,, This took a total of 15 months before their Interview at the American Consulate to see if they could obtain their Visa's.
And Yes, I payed for it all and did all the paper work myself, and nothing was ever denied as being done improperly, I don't have a college degree and I did the application myself.
So, don't give me this Story about Lawyer cost and so on and so on. It's all B S.

I hope it passes. Something should have been done years ago. Kudos to you and your family for coming here legally with respect and doing things the right way.

Ahhh, going back to the intent of the founders, by completely reversing what the founders said, all for fear of brown people.

I salute you, Arizona, and wish you luck on your downward spiral. Mississippi was getting lonely.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Ahhh, going back to the intent of the founders, by completely reversing what the founders said, all for fear of brown people.

I salute you, Arizona, and wish you luck on your downward spiral. Mississippi was getting lonely.

We have always been a melting pot of cultures including brown people. It has nothing to do with fear or racism.

Originally posted by Night Star

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Ahhh, going back to the intent of the founders, by completely reversing what the founders said, all for fear of brown people.

I salute you, Arizona, and wish you luck on your downward spiral. Mississippi was getting lonely.

We have always been a melting pot of cultures including brown people. It has nothing to do with fear or racism.

Thank You for your reply Night Star, For your understanding that Racism as Nothing To Do With It, Star for you.
Really, I knew as will as so many others here, the Sanctuary City and Open Borders folks would post, But of-course they post with out reading the articles and they claim to know and understand what our founding fathers intent was. I didn't know they could read the minds of the Dead.

We need to get them all out of our country and it doesn't matter their skin color.

The state of Indiana also as a proposal for the revamping of the 14th Amendment.

Filed last week in the Indiana General Assembly by Republican Rep. Eric Koch. Pennsylvania state Rep.

I know, I know, a Republican, Damn, Why are those Republicans trying to save me money and save Social Security? Don't those Republicans understand, those poor people need or monies because they're to poor to help themselves.

Supporters of the proposal argue that the wording of the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship to people born in the U.S. who are "subject to the jurisdiction" of this country, doesn't apply to the children of illegal immigrants because such families don't owe sole allegiance to the U.S. This is a true statement.

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Man. You don't make your point(s) anymore clearer-and/or convincing. I have to tell you-without too much detail here-I have first hand knowledge of what you are saying-

The people who come to this country and go through the process of becoming a US citizen are the ones who I admire and want to go the extra mile for.

Not people breaking the laws of our country in hopes of getting here with a crapload more people in hopes of simple over-running the locals by sheer numbers. Not by threats and intimidation tactics-mass protest being done by mostly illegal aliens and people here who are breaking the law by aiding and harboring them.

Honestly, I realy can't believe this has gone on as long as it had. I can remember in the late 70's the topic of illegals being discussed.

The real problem is the politicans-sad to say. The are sworn to protect and uphold the US Constitution and the US Citizens but instead they use it as a welcome mat to illegals who are too dam lazy to even apply for citizenship. Shame on them!!!

As for them types, here is my welcome mat, and anyone that wants to join them
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Ahhh, going back to the intent of the founders, by completely reversing what the founders said, all for fear of brown people.

If the illegal immigrants were Nordic-looking Norwegians, I'd still feel the same way, so keep your racist card, it's getting old. And do something about that fetish with "the founders". They would have cringed anyhow seeing the invasion we have to live through every day.

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Thank You anon72 for that contribution to this very important matter that concerns all of us, YES, even ME

Was I ever an illegal, NO, would I have ever come to America with out the Proper Documentation, No!
I have to much respect for you and all Americans. Luckily,,, we received our Visa's to come to America and join my husband here, Who is an American and worked for the United States Government at the time of our meeting and Marriage, I won't mention the agency my husband retired from, that would upset most of the Bleeding Heart Liberals that are going to read this with absolute contempt in their Hearts Because, We are wanting to make America a better Place To Live With People Having To Obey Laws OMG,,,, Obey Laws,,, No, That's just not right!


Edited to add: It took 15 months for us to get our Visa Interview.

Originally posted by guohua
Was I ever an illegal, NO, would I have ever come to America with the Proper Documentation, No!
I have to much respect for you. Luckily,,, we received our Visa's to come to America and join my husband here, Who is an American and worked for the United States Government at the time of our meeting and Marriage, I won't mention the agency my husband retired from, that would upset most of the Bleeding Heart Liberals that are going to read this with absolute contempt in their Hearts Because, We are wanting to make America a better Place To Live With People Having To Obey Laws

OMG,,,, Obey Laws,,, No, That's just not right!

We welcome all peoples of all races who immigrate legally.

And we shouldn't welcome anyone of any race who enters the US illegally, and the birth tourism issue while not illegal is certainly a loophole that other countries have closed and should be carefully considered by the US as well.

The people playing the race card don't realize it's got nothing to do with race, and everything to do with rule of law, and rewarding proper and correct behavior and discouraging or punishing wrong or incorrect behavior. Your post reminds me of a TV show I saw about immigrants who had entered the US legally, and how concerned they were about the unfairness of illegal immigrants skipping all the paperwork and waiting time and procedures to do it the right way. They were right to feel that way, it's not fair to punish people who do the right thing by filling out all the paperwork, waiting the needed time, and entering legally, and reward other people who don't do the paperwork, don't wait, and then expect to get amnesty.

Thanks for the good thread and valid points!

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Ahhh, going back to the intent of the founders, by completely reversing what the founders said, all for fear of brown people.

If the illegal immigrants were Nordic-looking Norwegians, I'd still feel the same way, so keep your racist card, it's getting old. And do something about that fetish with "the founders". They would have cringed anyhow seeing the invasion we have to live through every day.

Thank You buddhasystem, Your point was made very well, Thank You.
Being Chinese I know a business that hires Chinese and some of them I'm sure are here with out the proper documentation and I've made this known to ICE.
I and my husband do not play favorites with any race of peoples.
From what I understand about the American Founding Fathers, They would be turning over in their graves, I believe is the proper phrase.

Wow, I can't believe the I hate AZ Gov't crowd didn't steamroll on in and try to high-jack and/or derail you thread.

Maybe things are starting to look up around here.

I like how the ones who complain the most are the ones that live no where near the Mexican border.

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Wow, I can't believe the I hate AZ Gov't crowd didn't steamroll on in and try to high-jack and/or derail you thread.

Maybe things are starting to look up around here.

I like how the ones who complain the most are the ones that live no where near the Mexican border.

I am also proud to be an Arizonan, though I don't live there at the moment, and grew up very near the Mexican border.

It is extremely unfortunate that the Arizona Legislature is doing its darnedest to make us look like absolute fools and become the laughing stock of the world. This racist law will be struck down if passed. It is an insult to the Constitution. It is an abomination.

Likewise the Arizona legislature's attempt to make Presidential candidates swear they are not and never have been dual citizens will be struck down if passed. It too is an insult to the Constitution, and is a racist attempt to surrender American national sovereignty to the whims of foreign law.

How ironic is that? People who claim to be protecting the Constitution and the American way of life, trying to pass an unconstitutional law that would make the laws of other countries superior to the Constitution of the United States in deciding who is eligible for the President of the United States.

No thank you very much.

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Well, since they're not nordic-looking Norwegians, you can rest safe in your statement not being put to the test.

They're brown Spanish-speaking people, and the reaction Arizona, and its supporters are having to their immigration is "CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION SO THEY CAN'T BE CITIZENS!!!!!!!!!!!"

Are you sincere in your assertion that even if these people were pasty as pizza dough, speaking english, and worshiping in some Protestant fashion, you would still be demanding htey be put out on their asses and hte constitution itself changed because of them? I dunno, maybe you are! But we're not likely to find out anytime soon, so I just have to base my opinion on what we do know, don't I?

Originally posted by anon72
Wow, I can't believe the I hate AZ Gov't crowd didn't steamroll on in and try to high-jack and/or derail you thread.

Maybe things are starting to look up around here.

I like how the ones who complain the most are the ones that live no where near the Mexican border.

Your Thread www.abovetopsecret.com... My Friend is taking all the Heat, I've been reading all the Crap from the Fox New Haters and Open Border and Sanctuary City People post on your thread.

You have some really good supporters that come back with very intelligent replies to the Libs.
I was shocked that a Site Administrator would come along and try to push Hate For Arizona and That My State Should Be Sold To The Mexicans,,, What's That All About?
Arizona is doing what the Majority of Americans Want Done, We Have The Gonads The Size Of Basket Balls.

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Actually your opinion and what it is based on means absolutely Nothing to Most Arizonians.
Mostly because you have no working knowledge of our Government or the problem with young people trying to obtain a job here in a job market where the illegal and his relatives will live in the same apartment and work for beer money.

I have to say, it just pisses me off to try an talk to or listen to some one that refuses to learn English and then gets upset when you don't speck Mexican. You can Bite My Arse!
That at a Burger King, Taco Bell or any fast food place. Hell, Our teenagers should be getting their work experience at these places, not the whole family of illegals, to include mom and dad and all their kids and cousins.

TheWalkingFox, move to a border state, stop listening to NPR and MSNBC and try to stop believing every thing your professors are preaching to you about the Hateful Americans. If none of those are the case, then grow up and get out of the house more often!


This was a good thread www.abovetopsecret.com... and it helps explain the problems with many State Budgets.

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Sir, God Bless you! and amen

Originally posted by guohua

Originally posted by Night Star

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Ahhh, going back to the intent of the founders, by completely reversing what the founders said, all for fear of brown people.

I salute you, Arizona, and wish you luck on your downward spiral. Mississippi was getting lonely.

We have always been a melting pot of cultures including brown people. It has nothing to do with fear or racism.

Thank You for your reply Night Star, For your understanding that Racism as Nothing To Do With It, Star for you.
Really, I knew as will as so many others here, the Sanctuary City and Open Borders folks would post, But of-course they post with out reading the articles and they claim to know and understand what our founding fathers intent was. I didn't know they could read the minds of the Dead.

We need to get them all out of our country and it doesn't matter their skin color.

My man...have you noticed that almost all of these open border lovers live somewhere unaffected by the cancer over coming us from the south, that really ticks me off, really if it doesn't pertain to you and you have no idea what the circumstances are like, then just kick back, because if you dealt with all the problems we deal with on the regular for 6 months...you might just understand whywe don't want them coming here ILLEGALY now I am all for immigration, the legal route, no problem.

Starred and flagged. We can all see the system is being taken advantage of.

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Yes Sir My friend I have noticed that very thing you pointed out.

They prefer to live in states that are Progressive and Open to the Plight of the Little Brown People.
Of all the Open Border and Sanctuary City States to be wanting illegals, it has to be California that has suffered economically the worst.
Look at their hospitals, neighborhoods and education system, We're talking it's all one big Slum of a State there in Southern California, their housing market is trashed, their transportation system is trashed and they can't pay their employees half the time. Their local government are full of illegals running their cities and voting.

The Liberals that run that State are blind or just stupid, the rest of the Liberals stay in their homes for fear of being shot or mugged for their welfare monies.
And then,,,,,they want to boycott our state of Arizona because we don't want to be like them,,,, BITE ME!

Just Ranting, I'm Old and I'm Tired of Arizona Taking The B. S. for the other States that want to Wait and See What Happens!