This is why we should all have the right and the possesion of a firearms.

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I thought id come in here and find someone who is smart enough to Understand both sides of the argument, But no as previously agreed with the OP my Logic is not flawed but typical of someone who has a different outlook from the experiences i have Had and the Obstacles i have faced.

We are both right, However when it comes to Arguing the case, we are both wrong

Originally posted by TedHodgson
All animals have the ability to kill, However we have speech and speech is more powerfull than any cowardly weapon anyday

Tell that Ghandi.
While I appreciate where you are comming from, I can't help but seeing it as a bit of a naive idealism. Great in theory, but in practice, the firearm has been a cat out of the bag for almost 1000 years now. There are about 200 million privately owned guns in the US, not all of thse are owned by responsible and mature individuals. The only way to protect yourself, your family, and yes, your property against the very real and violent criminals who use them is to have one yourself. Believe it or not, there is a distinction between owning a fire arm and using it. If someone breaks into my house with a gun and intends to use it for violence, I can choose to be a deterent or a victim.
The other really basic concept is that I have the right to make that choice, period.
Private ownership, or bearing arms, frankly, is the the only check and balance left to the soverign people of this nation. The butchery and slaughter of regimes like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, for example, would not have been possible with 200 million privately owned firearms.
Words only work when reciprocated or heard, there are people in this world who would shoot you down for no more than the change in your pocket. Weaponry is not evil, intentions are, and you have the right if not the natural law obligation to defend your own life.

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This is why I left California... I mean, Commiefornia.

There are 3 types of people in the world: 1) Sheep; 2) Wolf; and 3) Sheepdogs. If you wanna go further, you can call Wolf-In-Sheep's-Clothing as the 4th type. There's no need to explain the relationships between the types. What it comes down to is what type are you?

Its all about resources. Utopia only exists when everyone's needs and wants are fulfilled every day. Otherwise, there will always be someone who has something another doesn't. And that other person is willing to take it with force.

(sorry, I'd love to type in more. but duty calls.)

Originally posted by TedHodgson
reply to post by Rocky Black

 

Guns have no place in the world now and they will have no place in civilised society in the future

that is a completely asinine statement.

you obviously live in a fantasy world..

safe & secure to dream of butterflys & rainbows ...

while your country.. state.. city.. street.. and freedom to say such a thing..

is right this minute.. being protected by GUNS.

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Guns dont protect us, Our forces do, thats an entirely different matter alltogether, Yet another person thinks they are right yet have not provided much of an argument as to why

At least some people here see what im getting at

Yet you perceive the world to be a creul place where everyone has the right to kill each other.

I know which "Fantasy" id rather live in

Take a look back throughout the course of Human history, Dating all the way back to the cave man, Violence is par for the course, Even the Known Universe is created through Destruction, Violence/Destruction is the nature of all forms of life.

For every Yin, there must be a Yang.
From Violence comes peace
From Destruction comes rebirth
and we can not change this, it is simply the Nature of things

Originally posted by Rocky Black
State House News Service / January 26, 2011

In the aftermath of the Arizona shooting rampage, Senator John F. Kerry said yesterday that he was cosponsoring legislation that would ban the possession or sale of high-capacity magazines.

How about we lock the tool bags up that commit the crimes. you dolt.

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Yeah, he's clearly a dolt for wanting to make magazine carrying an unneccessary amount of ammo illegal.

Originally posted by TedHodgson
reply to post by Rocky Black

 

Guns are for people who arnt powerfull enough to use words to sort thier problems

That's an incredibly naive view on guns.

Every human alive has the right to defend themselves and their fellow man with arms.

Unfortunately, they have allowed most governments to deny them that right.

reply to post by TedHodgson


If guns are the problem, why has the number of crimes reported as "violence against the person" gone up 300% since 1997? Check the Home Office criminal reports for 2009-2010. Why is domestic assault against women on the rise in England?

Why did the UN deem Scotland the most violent nation in "the developed world" in 2005? They have a violent assault rate more than 250% higher than the US.

If guns are the problem then why is crime dropping every where in the country except the north east US? You might not know, but they tend to have the most restrictive gun laws of the country. The exceptions being California and Chicago. Gun control hasn't worked too well for Chicago either. Last year they considerred bringing in the National Guard to help solve "the murder problem." Despite a ban on handguns in the city as of 2007 you were 360% more likely to be murdered in Chicago.

In New York City they praised Mayor Bloomberg for his atack on guns. They even saw a drop in shooting deaths in 2008. However the homicide rate went up overall. More than 80% of the drop in murder by gun was offset by a rise in deaths by knife. One women was hacked with a meat cleaver and stabbed fifteen times. The attacker was a man with a long history of mental illness. I guess we need to run a mental health records check on knife purchasers now.
NYC Source


The thing people hate to admit is that America has seen a falling crime rate for two decades. Yet, we have been steadily loosening our gun laws.

England banned handguns and confiscated over 162,000 in 1997. The crime rate 13 years later is higher than in 1997.

Remind me again how my guns are responsible for crime.