Orion = Towards Center of Universe ?

Aliens may be able to travel in ways way beyond human comprehension.

originally posted by: TheSparrowSings

~Must mention, your title is a little misleading... there is no possible reason to assume that orion is the center of the universe when there is no center of the universe. Imagine thousands of tiny white dots on a balloon, now inflate the balloon... as it expands the space between the dots gets larger (much like our expanding universe) and NO single dot falls in a place where it could be considered "central".

That metaphor, although commonly used by popularisers of cosmology, is misleading because space is NOT the surface of a 4-d hypersphere in 5-d space-time. All measurements made to date indicate that it has Euclidean geometry, i.e., exactly zero curvature, not positive or negative curvature. Moreover, every dot on an inflating, spherical balloon expands at the same rate, however far apart, whereas astronomers now know that, further an object is from any given object, the faster is the rate of expansion of the universe at that point. They don't know whether the universe starts to deaccelerate beyond the currently visible horizon. The metaphor is right only in the sense that there is no expansion from a fixed, central point. However, it suggests that every point in space is moving away from every other point, but galaxies themselves do not expand because they are bound by gravity. The metaphor is only accurate provided that the dots are not regarded as mathematical points in space. Finally, the universe may not be finite but unbounded like the surface of a balloon; it may be infinite, in which case the metaphor breaks down. Certainly, the universe does not have any identifiable centre. However, it could still turn out that it does have a centre on a scale beyond the observable universe. In other words, although the standard Big Bang models, which assume spherically symmetric solutions of Einstein's field equations in general relativity, describe an expanding universe with no centre, and this is consistent with all observations, there is still a possibility that these models are not accurate on scales larger than we can observe. They could just be good approximations that work well within the limits of the observable universe but not beyond. We still have no real answer to the question "Where is the centre of the universe?"

I'm sorry to inform you people. But as far as physical carbon
based units flying around the universe from star system
to star system.There's nobody out there you weirdos. You
need to understand the gigantic lie you all are so ready to
believe.

The only thing you see out there on the Moon and Mars in
those pics released by NASA. Are photo shopped by NASA.
Yes that's right.They are NASA's own deception on people
like you because they know how to create public interest
in the space program. And it works. You know why Earth
is the only place you see UFO's Flying saucers or ET's?

Because this is the only place you can see them. Because
they're from right here. They've been here as long as we
have maybe longer. They only have you fooled into
thinking they're space travelers. Because that's what they
do. They lie and deceive us because they absolutely hate us.

Some people just would rather believe anything as long as it
isn't the truth. But the truth really is the only thing you should
believe. Why do you set yourselves up for lies when the truth
will still be there in the end? Waiting for you after you rejected
the it and the warnings about exactly who they are. You certainly
won't be able to claim you weren't told or missed the information.
No no you ignored the truth. Because you chose to ignore it for what
you want. I need to inform you all about that to while I'm at it.

As much as you hate to hear it, it's not about you. None of this
including the life you were granted is about you. So you need to
stop thinking as if it is. I just get so embarrassed for you. Any
way carry on with your great escape from the truth. Travel well
lol

originally posted by: ThreeDeuce


That very well could be, is it possible that Sagittarius would point to the center of the Milky Way,
and Orion would point to the center of the Universe.

I'm curious as to which direction the big bang would have occured. Where in the sky is the point from which everything if flying outward...

No it doesnt ok where to start 1st everywhere is the center of the universe. every location you see expanded from a single point but it didnt happen like an explosion. Space expanded meaning at any point in the universe everything is heading away from you. This is an extremely dificult concept for people to grasp.

Next thanks to wise our galaxy changed or more accurately our image of it changed. We live in a barred galaxy several of the arms that we thought were part of the spiral have been grouped together now. We live in what's called the Orion spur (this has sort of been renamed depending on who you talk to. It seems the spur is not as big as we thought it was and our solar system is just sort of passing through. We dont really belong to a spiral arm but tend to spend much of our time between them. To give you a visual if we take our sun place it due south of the center. Orion would be to the east of us.

a reply to: dragonridr

You can argue your own personal opinion here, but I am presenting what was distributed to the American people through educational television under the guise of History or Science channel stuff. With that being said, this was their stance because of our position on the arm of the Milky Way. They contended that the majority of civilizations would come from "that direction", where the other is towards the outskirts.

What is interesting for me, is how the Big Dipper leads directly to Sirius. The Dogon creation story is one of the best reports of extra terrestials that we have, as well as having genetic signatures from this encounter.

a reply to: carsforkids
You speak with such disdain, and such an egotistical opinion as if you know everything...
Why would anyone listen to you? If you wish to be heard, perhaps you should change your tone.
I doubt that you will, since you seem to talk at people as though you think they are below you.
if you're going to talk to people like children, then realize that you're showing a childlike level of respect.
That does not put you as a credible authority, nor as a person who is solidified in their own views.
In neither of those cases does someone take the direction of conversation that you have.
Your own words tell just how frail your little world view is. It sounds as though you are in turmoil.

a reply to: micpsi

The person telling me that my title is misleading is lying.
My title denotes what was spread by a history or science channel through the United States. Do not claim that I am being misleading for representing it a second time. I know that this wasn't your contention micpsi, but it is what was presented as factual to the American People.

Personally, I see one large problem with Big Bag theories, and that is explosive dispersal. If the desire is to theorize an infintesimally small area that explodes, then this means that each and every particle is travelling independent. The explosion would send NOTHING in parallel. This means that every star of every constellation would be moving different, and over thousand and thousands of years that we should see a difference in these constellations. Granted, it would only be small, but we are talking about the combined differences of many different angles and trajectories over time. Even our own position changes slightly while they are all moving.

Of course we get back to "Science" promoting things that are outside of our burden of proof. One thing that is always interesting is the amount of attention that Orion gets. It is that one star that people look up at the most. Perhaps there is an ancient tie to it, as a lost civilization, or perhaps it is ingrained in us from using it to navigate for thousands of years. I am unsure, but there is something odd with Orion and Sirius.

originally posted by: 11SK1180
Aliens may be able to travel in ways way beyond human comprehension.

One popular school of thought is that high technology allows the bending of gravity or even extra-dimensional travel. Considering our limited knowledge, it is possible that such is reality. We could even have this technology currently, and have it being hid from us by our own government. Something such as our dependence on fossil fuels could account for a very large conspiracy against the people.

The constellation Orion lies on the celestial equator. It's brightest stars are Rigel and Betelgeuse which may be going supernova. Orion is not the center of the universe. But it may be mistaken for the center of the galaxy because it lies on the equator. Its position will change relative to Earth. The sun is about 1/3 the distance from the center of the Milky Way galaxy to its outer edges. It’s located in a smaller spiral arm, between two large arms, called the Orion Arm.

a reply to: Phantom423

It was never claimed that Orion is the center of the universe, but rather that is the direction from which most of the galaxies are, and that is the direction of the closest galaxies, so that visitors would likely come from that direction. When you want to refute something, please refute what was actually being discussed.

Orion being the direction towards the center of the universe. Nobody is arguing that it is the center.

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

Your title suggested otherwise:

Orion = Towards Center of Universe ?

No problem.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: ThreeDeuce

Your title suggested otherwise:

Orion = Towards Center of Universe ?

It was nearly 10 years ago that this same question was raised =)

"Edited title to clear confusion:
As I was saying that from our vantage point looking at Orion is looking twoards the center of the universe.
and, not that Orion is the center.
edit on 24-1-2011 by ThreeDeuce because: (no reason given)"

133 days from now, that edit date will have been Ten Full Years ago... haha

We are already at the center of the universe. If you had a magic spaceship that could travel at near infinite speed and launched it in any direction it would take the same amount of time to get to the "edge," which is actually a single point, possibly where a Big Bang happened. That means we're at the center.

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

You speak with such disdain, and such an egotistical opinion as if you know everything...

Because I know you won't listen either way. So I choose to reflect how ridiculous
it is for you to be fooled in such away. Are you an adult? Not if you can't take
criticism. I only run the risk of being inappropriate not egotistical. And that
would only be so if you were ten. I believe harsh would be a better word.

Why would anyone listen to you?

Well the fact is people do. It's called strength.

If you wish to be heard, perhaps you should change your tone.

Ya well what tone would you like? Something weaker? I took the time
to give you a reply. Not just a line. I was sharp because what you're doing
is very serious. More than you seem to know. It's important to me and I can
only hope as this conversation progresses (If it progresses) that you take
from it at least that much. What i do know is how these conversations go.
and my compulsion is to avoid sounding weak. Weak wouldn't suffice if you
were about to be hit by a car. You might as well be standing in the fast lane
right now. Meanwhile it's no secret that I got your attention.

I doubt that you will, since you seem to talk at people as though you think they are below you.

Ever have someone who actually gives a crap what happens to you
verbally chastise you for your own good? So it sinks in because you've
already been told in a nice way and that didn't work? That's all that's
happening here. I do hope it didn't make you cry but think of it this way.

If there comes a day after? You aren't going to be able to claim ignorance.
Because your Father is speaking to you right now thru me. Don't think about
me. Think about that. That's just how it is. It doesn't make me anything
so let me say it again. It doesn't make me special or favored or great or
wise or anything etc. This is just the way it is. It's up to you to recognize.

if you're going to talk to people like children, then realize that you're showing a childlike level of respect.
That does not put you as a credible authority, nor as a person who is solidified in their own views.
In neither of those cases does someone take the direction of conversation that you have.
Your own words tell just how frail your little world view is. It sounds as though you are in turmoil.

I do realize perfectly. You should understand it is warranted.
As I said don't think about me. It sounds that way because you
are in turmoil. Your soul rests on an icy slope don't think about me.

Think about how appropriate these words were as you condescended
in your last two lines. You think I'm saying I was ahead of you?
Don't think about me. Like it or not one day you will see this
conversation for everything it was and what you did with it..
But you' have heard it before and now you've read it.The truth.
I have nothing further thanks for reading.

a reply to: carsforkids
[quote]
Because I know you won't listen either way.
Nope, you are simply showing that you chose to be disrespectful, and admitting that you were biased from the beginning. Simply because you decide to take a disrespectful tone says nothing about me. You speak with so much judgement.... I am not concerned with your opinions, after you have shown yourself to be such a manipulator.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
We are already at the center of the universe. If you had a magic spaceship that could travel at near infinite speed and launched it in any direction it would take the same amount of time to get to the "edge," which is actually a single point, possibly where a Big Bang happened. That means we're at the center.

Things that I have seen also suggest that what the television show claimed was not true .......

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

Yeah I'm sure the motive for manipulation is clear to everyone. lol

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

but rather that is the direction from which most of the galaxies are, and that is the direction of the closest galaxies

This is not true. "Most of the galaxies" are in every direction.
en.wikipedia.org...
(Note that galaxies often are named according to the constellation in which they appear)


But why would it be more likely that visitors would come from a galaxy other than ours?


Zombie threads are cool.

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

The eternity gate?