Indonesia’s first crop circles

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


You are ignoring the facts. Don't attempt to make claims based on logic when it is clear that you so badly want it but are too dumb to have it. It's not my fault you ignore the facts and I don't.

You still lack the depth of understanding that my user name invokes, but I wont hold that against you.

Fine, I will throw you a bone, just so I can fit in around here. I see no reason why crop circles can't be made by aliens/UFOs'/fairies/inter-dimensional beings....whatever your conspiratorial glasses force you to see...I mean...sure, they all make sense I guess.

However, given the REAL WORLD EVIDENCE, one would have to be OFF THEIR ROCKER to put all their chips on the improbable based on the evidence. And that is the problem with this subject. Inexperienced gamblers want to put their chips on the least likely outcome....hoping to win big....when they don't even have the educational ability to understand the friggin' game.

Man, I loath the day when one of you guys are right about something. Because I ASSURE you, you will be right by pure and total accident, and not through actual thought. Kinda like throwing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks.

Again, don't kill the messenger. You can hate hate the message, but if you don't fully understand the message and then try to respond to it....well.....your just promoting ignorance.

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


lol wow

You truly are oblivious. What message have you brought? Does your message have proof or evidence or at least rational thought? Just because you are a "messenger" as you say you are does NOT mean the message is true.

Also, you are the one that lacks depth as I knew before my first post what your name meant and the sarcasm that it entails. What you don't understand is that my sarcasm is much better than yours as you were clearly lost in mine.

Originally posted by BobbyTarass
This picture looks like another one that was posted before, in a thread about cropcircle in Great Britain recently.

Considering the cropcirle itslef, the debate is still the same and I think the statements will be the same from sceptics (ie : it can be man-made using basic mathematics and the whole chakra story points out a human (and Idonesian) design).

edit on 24-1-2011 by BobbyTarass because: (no reason given)

This Indonesia circle doesn't give us a good glimpse of its form but it looks similar to the Barbury Castle, Wiltshire in Jul 2002


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In looking through the archives just now, it is so easy for me to tell which are man-made and which are not made by rope and a plank.

Thanks for posting this OP

reply to post by dplum517


The proof you seek can be done through google and basic, elementary science re-education. Not my job, not is it anyone's really.

Everything that the crap circle crowd points to as evidence is misconstrued through a misunderstanding of the basic scientific principles applies, as well as the equipment they are using to obtain the "readings" they tell everyone is "otherworldly".

There is not a link I could give you nor a explanation on any of it I can shed light on that you wouldn't ignorantly dismiss in your quest to believe the least probable conclusion first. But what I will say....is go back and look at all the evidence and how it was gathered and measured....then really look at how they examined it and with what instruments....then come back and debate me.

Much like the fools who tout that the ground radiation at the whole Rendlsham thing was out of the normal...yet the instruments they were using couldn't accurately detect that anyway....but don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorant beliefs and desires.....

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


You are an official Troll. /ignore

Get off the internet, you clearly don't know how to use it.

reply to post by dplum517

He just claims that any evidence that runs counter to his position as false. Follows it with insults. Arrogantly proclaims that he has common sense and reason and anybody with a different opinion doesn't. I won't go on with the list.

Once in a blue Moon he actually engages in the debate. I've even known Ignorethefacts to refrain from insults on the odd occasion (probably after a warning).

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


Some of these circles have been known to appear in broad daylight within hours when pilots have flown over a field on a return trip and when no circle was there, then suddenly a circle was there. I know such a pilot who saw such a daytime crop-circle formation.

These circles seem so laser-printer perfect that it suggests that some unknown crop-circle printer in the sky is creating them. Perhaps they are all man-made but part of that project bluebeam and a secret government satellite is beaming down crop-circle patterns to create some type of psy-op on the people.

When you look at the smaller man-made circles they lack the kind of percision. In fact there have been contests to produce circles and always there are obvious imperfections and edging problems that don't appear on the much larger circles. So much so, in these contents they always produce smaller circle patterns not the massive 1500 meter scale. Suffice to say, man can indeed create crop-circle patterns.

But that doesn't mean everyone that is created becomes the new theorem in geometry mathematics as is the case with some of the circles: www.cropcirclesecrets.org...

Apparently the circle designers are leading edge mathematicians who would rather publish their mathematical findings in wheat instead of peer-reviewed and distinguished journals. Who knew?

I think it's a great idea... discover new math theorem's and anomalously publish them in a wheat field. It's brilliant! Who needs the ego and attention when you can stamp brilliance out in wheat!

i have a feeling that this video depicts how lots of crop circles are actually formed rather accurately.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
reply to post by dplum517

 

The proof you seek can be done through google and basic, elementary science re-education. Not my job, not is it anyone's really.

hehehe...ahhhh good ol' Google is your friend, eh? And I suppose wikipedia your mentor?

It's always the most vehement & hostile detractors, such as yourself, I distrust most. Thanks for your perspective. Everyone is entitled to a viewpoint. Go placidly amid the noise and haste....

Originally posted by FPB214
I still don't understand how any hoaxers could do some of these crop circles with such accuracy overnight. Especially the ones that have significant changes that cannot be done by man. Yet, we're positive its just man. Yea right.

Here ya go
www.circlemakers.org...

Originally posted by ToHoldaPigeon
i have a feeling that this video depicts how lots of crop circles are actually formed rather accurately.

I have a feeling you are wrong

reply to post by YouAreDreaming

Apparently the circle designers are leading edge mathematicians who would rather publish their mathematical findings in wheat instead of peer-reviewed and distinguished journals. Who knew?

I think the people who make them are quite clever actually.

For example:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Have none of you watched the UFO Files episode covering Crop Circles on History Channel?? Some good footage of a guy making a simple one and how he did it.

For the more complex ones, they use sophisticated software and teams of several.
CircleMakers is one of the leading teams of crop circle makers.


Something else that is interesting at the moment. Indonesia is the highest ranked Country who is searching the term "ufo" on google, with Jakarta, Indonesia (where I am right now) as the highest ranked city.

Google Trends : ufo

So all of you supporting the Internet Inspired Hoaxer theory, you may be on to something - but if your theory holds true shouldn't there be lots of activity in Turkey and Italy too? the 2nd and 3rd ranked ufo internet search countries??

He's having a huge laugh and making a small fortune with that 'circle makers' site. It's an absolute joke. No where in it does he give any evidence, or shed any light what-so-ever on how the more complex designs are created within a few hours, in darkness, without leaving any trace of human activity.

Yes, he makes crude corporate logos and travels the world doing it. He gets paid a lot. Look at his credentials. BFD.

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I had an uncle who, when I was a kid, used to pull coins from behind my ears. I couldn't figure out how it was done. It was a trick designed for fun, to see my reaction. He didn't do it the once either, the more I was amazed by it, the more he would do it, and he wouldn't explain how he did it. I was told it was magic and given a wink.
You're big kids now, and that's a big coin

You can either believe aliens are coming down to stomp around a paddy field making pretty patterns in the middle of the night, without actually doing anything constructive, like leaving blue prints, handy messages, or formula...
...or, that there is a mundane more down to Earth explanation

If you want to believe in the magic, its up to you. I know, no matter what, you'll still believe. That's belief for you!
I believe in the fact that you're being taken for a ride, a pleasant one at that!




PS: There's no Easter Bunny either.

Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
PS: There's no Easter Bunny either.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

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Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Originally posted by zorgon
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler."
Albert Einstein

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
Douglas Adams, "Last Chance to See"

I still cant understand why we blame aliens for this. No alien has come forward to admit it. No-one has seen an alien making a crop circle. We may as well blame super intelligent rabbits. There's certainly more circumstantial evidence to support this than aliens.

Super Intelligent Rabbits
Rabbits live in fields.
They're short so may not be seen.
They can live in large communities which helps with the bending.
They're fast
Theyre above suspicion (or below)
They probably look just the same as the non-super intelligent rabbit.

Q. Could the super intelligent rabbits be alien in nature?
A. No. They're from a similar undisclosed book, a bit like the Navy dolphin thing, except instead of sea mines, they've been bred to plant land-mines instead. A strange looking guy who I met in the pub one night told me, he said he was ex-military and I've not seen him since.

Q. Why do they tend to use a certain type of crop, like corn, wheat, etc?
A. Well, they're not likely to damage their own food supply, which is why there's not carrot circles, or lettuce circles.

Q. Is this silly?
A. No more silly than believing intelligent beings travel the gulf of space, lightyears, perhaps existing in a state of hibernation, who pinnacle of technological marvels is to ruin a farmers field before sodding off home

Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
I still cant understand why we blame aliens for this. No alien has come forward to admit it. No-one has seen an alien making a crop circle. We may as well blame super intelligent rabbits. There's certainly more circumstantial evidence to support this than aliens.

Well I blame MIT wise guys palying around with the particle beams from space THEY at least came out and said so... I posted that some time ago in some other crop circle thread

But you can find a lot on google about that, just search "crop circles beam weapons"

I get About 22,500 results for that but I get zero results for your rabbit theory