Astrologers angered by stars!

I'm not sure where to post this so please feel free to move if you see fit.

The section of the program that caused the fuss has been described in truly harrowing terms by 'respected astrologer' Angela Cornish, in an e-mail that was published by the SkyScript blog:

"If you didn't happen to see it, there were two presenters, Professor Brian Cox and Dara O'Briain. All was going well until they got to a part where they had models of the planets in our solar system on a table and Dara was explaining that all of the planets orbit at different speeds and distances away from the Sun. He said only the earth orbits the Sun in 365 days and returns to its own place, showing that horoscopes are nonsense. He then went on to add "Let's get this straight once and for all, Astrology is rubbish" The other presenter, Brian Cox, then agreed and said "in the interests of balance on the BBC, yes astrology is nonsense."

Shocking stuff, I think you'll agree.

www.guardian.co.uk...

So the recent show that aired on the BBC called 'Stargazing Live'(it was a brilliant show too) seems to have ruffled a few feathers among astrolgers for having their profesion called a load of rubbish by one of the most highly regarded physicists on the planet and are planning to petition the BBC.
Personally I think that it was good to see such a big name come out and say it too. For years these charlatans have been making money off of people who just don't know any better.

Charlatans they certainly are. My mum lives her life by the word of what astrologers and clairvoyants tell her and I also believe it is absolute rubbish. I hope the industry is revealed for what it really is.

I never thought so many people believed in that crock.

Astrology is a belief in a system so is science so which one in turn is right and which on is wrong.
And im not being a troll/smart arse its just my opinion.

but good find anyway

This is rather silly. Of course a physicist is going to call astrology rubbish. A hardcore scientist is going to call rather outlandish, superstitious things complete garbage every time; it's a law of nature or something. I'm not psychic in the least, and I could see that one coming a mile away. They've got no business getting so upset over something so obvious.

Originally posted by fiftyfifty
Charlatans they certainly are. My mum lives her life by the word of what astrologers and clairvoyants tell her and I also believe it is absolute rubbish. I hope the industry is revealed for what it really is.

I hope you dont have a belief in anything science/faith or anything cause when you think about it your being realy hypocritical.

Peace

I don't see where he did anything wrong. He gave his opinion on astrology. I agree with him to a degree.

Originally posted by gnosticquasar
This is rather silly. Of course a physicist is going to call astrology rubbish. A hardcore scientist is going to call rather outlandish, superstitious things complete garbage every time; it's a law of nature or something. I'm not psychic in the least, and I could see that one coming a mile away. They've got no business getting so upset over something so obvious.

Your not getting the point..

The point is these people are basing their assesment of you on flawed logic..
eg: They are reading you as a Leo when you may have been born under the star sign of Virgo...

But I do think it's all a scam anyway

I hope there is a big noise made about this, it might spark up some proper debate and shut the snake oil pushers up for good.
I'm surprised at the astrology camp making a big stink, after all, they are the ones with their careers on the line.

Peace.

p.s, I'll change my mind about it in a minute, I am such a typical Gemini

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
p.s, I'll change my mind about it in a minute, I am such a typical Gemini

On that note im just going to be hot headed and stuborn seems im a Taurus

I thought it was a great show, and I am a big fan of Brian Cox, he is trying to bring physics to the masses.

As for the astrologers, I'm surprised they didn't see this coming.

I personally don't believe at all in horoscopes.
It's just stupid to think that you and all others that are born within 20 days of each others in the same sign, should basically have the same fate in life, all your lives. Day in and day out for eternity.

With that said, I think it's a little bit harsh to call all of astrology rubbish.
It's an ancient kind of "science" and there's alot more to it then just provide horoscopes for the newspapers to publish.
Basically all ancient civilizations of this planet has in some ways used astrology to their advantage in the past and I simply don't think it would still be practiced if it was all rubbish.
Sorry BBC, you are wrong...

reply to post by pazcat


It makes me laugh astrology, dividing the world up into 12 daily/weekly outcomes. But for £3 a minute extra you can find your personal horoscope AKA them chatting a whole load of *****

I can't believe people still believe in all this

edit: love the way they've put respected astrologer in quotation marks

Originally posted by Nox789

Originally posted by fiftyfifty
Charlatans they certainly are. My mum lives her life by the word of what astrologers and clairvoyants tell her and I also believe it is absolute rubbish. I hope the industry is revealed for what it really is.

I hope you dont have a belief in anything science/faith or anything cause when you think about it your being realy hypocritical.

Peace

No I don't. I'm a 'believe it when I see it' kinda guy. This kinda thing is one of the more implausible things though. I mean come on, astrology is a commercial con. People read their stars in a weekly magazine and take it as gospel. How can one statement be relevant to millions of people with that star sign?

I'm not closed minded towards many other things but I have seen my mum go to these people, listen to what they've said and then because she believes it so much (particularly relationship stuff) it messes up her way of thinking and she ends up making wrong decisions because she thinks it's not the right decision because of what one of these conmen/women has told her! Sorry but they make me MAD!

reply to post by pazcat


Great thread, Maybe charalatans and frauds are finally being revealed and criticised.

It definetly seems there's more flags and stars going towards hocus pocus threads regarding the supernatural here on ATS. It just shows appeal to majority is not an appeal in the name of truth.

Astrology is not going anywhere, materialist science will disintegrate way before astrology goes the way of the dodo.

All divination is based on the acausal principle of synchronicity.

Also, look into vedic astrology. As far as I know these changes only affect western astrology, which has been flawed for hundreds of years anyway. I knew my sun sign was cancer and not leo before this "revelation".

But yeah, of course they're not gonna believe in astrology, there's nothing there, no evidence except subjective significance in your own life.
Either you notice that significance and accept it without knowing the mechanics behind it, or you don't.

I mean the whole idea is so far out there from our normal frames of reference, that it is/does seem downright crazy, you could say that the whole notion of planetary bodies affecting personality is absurd.

From an esoteric point of view however...

Originally posted by fiftyfifty
No I don't. I'm a 'believe it when I see it' kinda guy. This kinda thing is one of the more implausible things though. I mean come on, astrology is a commercial con. People read their stars in a weekly magazine and take it as gospel. How can one statement be relevant to millions of people with that star sign?

You just showed you know NOTHING about astrology, at least your view of astrology is incredibly simplistic.
You're not just your Sun sign, your personality is a combination of ALL the planetary influences. We're all incredibly complex beings from the perspective of astrology.

And no, I wouldn't call that crap you see in the newspapers astrology.

for thousands of years, man have been studying the stars and documenting the characteristics of the human condition by their charts. although some of the more modern sign reading are mere speculation at best. we still must give credit to all those who came before us who understood and wrote about each and every human characteristic according to their chart.

most of us would claim that be rubbish, but that's only because we don't want to be characterized or profiled or we feel it doesn't entirely fit our characteristic and human nature. truth be known we share pieces of our parents little eccentricities as well, and deep down we are exactly what our signs propound.

with anything, just accept it at face value and continue on with your lives. the only real value it has is to be a lite incite into a potential mate and their characteristics. i use them as warnings of immanent disaster because they are so clear and absolutely true when trying to establish relationships with the opposite sex. its helps me steer clear and keeps me out of harms way....lol

reply to post by Big Raging Loner


lol, someone had to do it

I wonder what kind of wrath has been unleashed too.

I think in general people are quite willing to let them and their believers carry on if it keeps them happy, but I really don't think they should be able to make a living from it without some kind of warning. Like a cigarette packet. They should really know better to make to much of a fuss, best go back in the hole they crawled out of before they get what they want and hope nobody noticed them.

The article also bring up another good point.

Since then, TV's most clean-shaven male Professor has become a bit of a lightning rod for astrologically-guided criticism, and the Astrological Association of Great Britain's new petition names him personally:

"The Association will be requesting that the BBC make a public apology and a statement that they do not support the personal views of Professor Brian Cox or Dara O'Briains on the subject of astrology. We also request that the BBC will commit to making a fair and balanced representation of astrology when aired in the future.
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On the second sentence at least I think we can all agree. I'd love to see the BBC give a fair and balanced representation of astrology. In fact sod it, let's extend that to all newspapers as well.

Such a representation would depict astrology as a pseudoscience with no real basis in evidence that was already being ridiculed in the Dark Ages, and note that after thousands of years astrologers still can't produce statistically meaningful results.

The Association will be requesting that the BBC make a public apology and a statement that they do not support the personal views of Professor Brian Cox or Dara O'Briains on the subject of astrology.

Maybe I'm not thinking clearly but who really cares what a network believes in?

This is just shooting the messenger...

reply to post by Planet teleX


Angry astrologers would be my guess.

I doubt they will get what their looking for though.