Why Comparing Republicans to Nazis is Credible

reply to post by simone50m

I'll bet their accuracy rate is somewhere around 50% with a tolerance of around 51%, give or take.

Really? Nazi's? That was the best you could do?

If this was your best attempt at a disguised bait thread, you might want to head back to the drawing board. It was a weak attempt at best. Better luck next time.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by inforeal

 

Using violence to fund social welfare programs is just as wrong as using violence to fund wars of aggression.

Republicans at least realize that taxes are a form of theft.

They just feel it is a necessary form of theft because they are scared to death of "terrorists"

In summary, the Republican party does act like a bunch of Nazi's, but the Democratic party is far more militaristic in the fact that they want to use violence to fund a much greater range of programs than the Republicans.

edit on 23-1-2011 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)

So tell me which Republican ended the violence???

How many GOP presidents have we had in the last 40 years

OK, since the mods obviously think this kind of thread is not political trolling, I'll play too.

Did a Google search using the words "American communists progressives". Received 7,500,000 hits, mostly on how the CPUSA (communist party of the USA) (also in Canada and in other countries) has rebranded itself as being the "Progressives".

The real difference is that nazis - as a real political force - are long dead, while communists (now progressives) are very much alive and well and working to destroy America from within here in the 21st century.

You see them posting here on ATS all the time. You can recognize them from their posts, who's main themes are always that the U.S. is bad and that any other country attacking the U.S. either overtly or covertly is nothing to be concerned about.

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe


Bravo. Thank you. Whenever someone uses the word "Nazi" when not speaking of actual Nazis, they need to be shown a picture of dead, starved concentration camp victims so they remember the difference.

OP, I will accept your opinion as valid as soon as you post a video of yourself saying all of this to an actual survivor of Nazi Germany. Say all of this to someone who still has their number tattooed on their arm, and then we can talk about how valid the comparison is.

reply to post by inforeal


Nope...Not credible.

The only ones that should be compared to Nazi's are Nazi's.

Such comparisons be-little those who suffered and died under the Nazi's. I know there are very few left to speak to the difference, but that should be all the more reason we should be more careful with the word.

AND 2 wrongs don't make a right...so I could care less that the far right throws the word around with giddy political glee and glen beck tears...but it isn't right for anyone to do.

just my opinion.

reply to post by inforeal



I have enjoyed your posts in general. I am sorry to disagre with you but I must. Comparing the Republicans to Nazi is not at all sensible. Nazism ( ultra right authoritarian politics with a one party state of their own making) and Republicanism (centre right politics in a multiparty state) To do so is to willfully follow a philosophy of "making two wrongs into a right". And also clouding massive political difference. That is the sort of thing that the right would do. Please leave it to them. They actually do not want a political debate. We can only have a political debate if the terms and definitions are clear otherwise we have a tower of Babel

The fact that the right seemsunable to differentiate Marxism from the Democrats is woefully ignorant .

Rgds

T

Originally posted by centurion1211
OK, since the mods obviously think this kind of thread is not political trolling, I'll play too.

Did a Google search using the words "American communists progressives". Received 7,500,000 hits, mostly on how the CPUSA (communist party of the USA) (also in Canada and in other countries) has rebranded itself as being the "Progressives".

Hmm.. Hitler was fiercly anti-communist..

German communists were among the first victims to be sent to concentration camps. They concerned Hitler due to their ties with the Soviet Union and because the Nazi Party was intractably opposed to communism.

en.wikipedia.org...

That much is known for a certaintity......and just an FYI to head off confusion in the future, Glen Beck is not a historian either.

Those who will be quick to claim Obama is a Nazi are typically Nazi's themselves as you make everyone else think your opponent is who you truly are so that way no one looks at you for being what you claim your opponent is.

Todays Jews are Arab Muslims and Hispanics.

reply to post by maybereal11


Hitler was anti-communist primarily because if you were communist, you were with the Soviets. You can understand greatly the conflict of fascism vs communism during the 1920's and 40 by learning about Spain during this time.

Fascists and Communists are two sides of the same coin. They'll expunge different rhetoric but the end results of what happens to the people under either of these systems is no different. State capitalists are their inbred cousin.

Really, once the state becomes to large, left and right don't matter anymore. In ALL these systems, governance and economics convene under one authority.

It's called totalitarianism. You can call them fascists, communists, nazis, socialists, progressives, state capitalists, dictators, religious theocracies, it doesn't matter. They're totalitarian assholes and no matter what petty little details are involved in their plans, the results are the same for the people they rule.

One more thing I m reminded of :

Remember when Natalie Maines of The Dixie Chicks said after a concert in London that she was ashamed that POTUS was from Texas and remember the backlash that ensued? People were destroying their cd's, posters, and any printed literature, members receiving death threats that is exactly how Hitler took over by demonizing, attacking, degrading threats to him and publicly ruining them. Today's "Book burnings" is cd burnings.

reply to post by mnemeth1


Oh my, you are a Randbot, surely?

Taxation is theft? I could waste hours trying to explain why that slogan is simplistic, and not just wrong but evil, but I won't, because it would be a waste of time, because people like you don't listen.
V.

Originally posted by DevilJin
Why must everything and everyone be compared to Nazis? Is Nazi history the only form of extremism people know? This thread reeks of a leftist extremist pointing the finger at right extremist. There is no objectivity. I can't wait until these two political parties vanish. Both are corrupt.

if think two illegal wars, violations of the geneval convention and 2 million murdered in the name of profit is not the act of a nazi i dont know what is...

kx

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by inforeal

 

The fact that the right seemsunable to differentiate Marxism from the Democrats is woefully ignorant .

Rgds

T

THE FACT THAT THE RIGHT SEEM UNABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE MARXISM FROM THE DEMOCRATS, is not only "woefully ignorant", it is deliberately malicious. Viciously malicious.

I have to disagree with you.

I used to be a Democrat until they moved to the extreme left of me...then I was a Republican until they moved to the extreme right of me...what am I now.

Both parties show fascist tendencies and as one poster here stated...both are for Totalinarianism... over regulation of every facet of our lives. I adhere to the idea of limited government, a functional but small peace-time army/navy... minimum taxation for infrastructure and regulation of labor/safety/commerce. That's about it.

Both the Dems and Repubs are headed down the same path...just on different but parallel roads.

This is what is so frustrating for the bulk of Americans...and why the govt is using hot button issues to push their agenda. Emotion overtakes intellect...folks are thinking with their hearts and not their heads.

Pretty soon, I fear the whole house of cards will crumble and when we see the Chinese Army off loading in California, many will ask...How did this happen? That's just an analogy for dramatics..ok. Not literally, but they will own most facets of our life.

No, the Dems and Repubs are not Nazis...but they no longer have the best interests of America at heart. Once it's all gone to hell, they'll board planes and retire in Hong Kong or Aruba.

Nazi is National Socialist, it's a socio-economic system. It has similar aspects with Fascism, and even State Socialism. The USA is an imperialistic democratic capitalism, it's a different system, and both parties, Dem and Rep adhere to it. If I had to try and compare something, I'd say the Obama fronted Dem party is more akin to Stalinist socialism. But it's totally untrue to compare the Reps with Nazis. It doesn't make sense. The Nazis wanted and had, strong border security, high education, a space program, advances in technological and science, and more importantly, they cared for their citizens, not to hand out welfare checks, but to have real jobs, and no unemployment. They also wanted a safe society that was not plagued with gangs and rapes and murders. They wanted and had an advanced, safe, and secure nation, with a common interest that everyone wanted a greater Germany. We do not have this in the USA at all, regardless of what party holds the Presidency. We are not National Socialist. We are on the fast road to third worldism failure.

I have to agree pretty much, that the US political parties are not for the American people. There are good hearted humanitarian humane leftwing Democrats, but the ones with Absolute Power are Corporate Wholly-Owned Subsidiarys, who have sold the red-white-and-blue down the river to Communist China.

reply to post by SpectreDC


Nope. Hitler was anit-communist..

Communism is where the nations industry is run by the government.

Hitler was a strong proponent of capitalism.

Hitler believed strongly in private industry and capitalism....he just gave them lots and lots of business...imagine the military industrial complex on super steriods.

I don't think anybody is Nazis except the Nazis, but let's not severly edit and rewrite history to accomodate Glen Becks ramblings..

Anticommunism In Hitler's mind, communism is the primary enemy of Germany:

“ In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated. ”
— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

See here for an expanded explanation of his politics..
en.wikipedia.org...'s_political_views


Communists were amongst the first to be rounded up and sent to the camps.

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by inforeal

 

I have enjoyed your posts in general. I am sorry to disagre with you but I must. Comparing the Republicans to Nazi is not at all sensible. Nazism ( ultra right authoritarian politics with a one party state of their own making) and Republicanism (centre right politics in a multiparty state) To do so is to willfully follow a philosophy of "making two wrongs into a right". And also clouding massive political difference. That is the sort of thing that the right would do. Please leave it to them. They actually do not want a political debate. We can only have a political debate if the terms and definitions are clear otherwise we have a tower of Babel

The fact that the right seemsunable to differentiate Marxism from the Democrats is woefully ignorant .

Rgds

T

The pot calling the kettle "black"?
You Sir; are the one a bit confused here:"republicanism"( republican party) as you put it; has nothing whatsoever to do with the "republican form of govt .
Like "fed ex" and the "federal govt" two different ideas..
Democrats do actually spouse communist/marxist ideas and policies.

"Republicanism" is derived from the term "republic", but the two words have different meanings, therefore people sometimes confuse them. "Republic" is a form of government and "republicanism" is a political ideology.[9]

Two major parties were explicitly named after the idea—the Republican party of Thomas Jefferson (founded in 1793, and often called the "Democratic-Republican party" by political scientists), and the current Republican party (founded in 1854).

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by maybereal11
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

Nope. Hitler was anit-communist..

Communism is where the nations industry is run by the government.

Hitler was a strong proponent of capitalism.

Hitler believed strongly in private industry and capitalism....he just gave them lots and lots of business...imagine the military industrial complex on super steriods.

I don't think anybody is Nazis except the Nazis, but let's not severly edit and rewrite history to accomodate Glen Becks ramblings..

Anticommunism In Hitler's mind, communism is the primary enemy of Germany:

“ In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated. ”
— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

See here for an expanded explanation of his politics..
en.wikipedia.org...'s_political_views


Communists were amongst the first to be rounded up and sent to the camps.

Thank you thank you, for this most----usefull, needed, and intelligent contribution. I don't want it to slip out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Everyone please don't ignore this.