'Hizbullah rule will turn Lebanon into Gaza'

'Hizbullah rule will turn Lebanon into Gaza'

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Lebanese Christian leader pledges support for Hariri; says gov't led by Shi'ite group would lead Lebanon to be isolated and ostracized by the int'l community and Arab world like Gaza Strip after Hamas takeover.

"Is anyone wondering what the situation of the Lebanese lira will be if the other team comes to power?" Geagea said during a press conference.

Geagea said that not only Hizbullah, but also Syria was behind the push to make Karami premier.

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Well here comes the violence. Israeal is predictably on edge over the shifting political tides, as of late.

With Tunisia seeing so many leaders in the span of hours, the U.N. investigating groups like Hizbullah and Hamas for political murders and overthrows, it's not wonder Israel wants to throw their hat into the pile with an apocalyptic scenario.

It's really starting to get difficult to keep up with.

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reply to post by sbctinfantry

'Hizbullah rule will turn Lebanon into Gaza'

This is probably true. Muslim extremism is no better than any other form and will invariably lead to chaos.

Israel is currently on the popular hate list and antisemitism - in the guise of antizionism - is on the rise. Unfortunately, this is mostly politically inspired so... there is little hope for any kind of balance or eventual reckoning of the issues that drive the violence.

It is hard to foresee anything but more blood and death in an region that has seen more than its share.

But then again, these very same factions have been fighting this war for over 2000 years. There's no reason to think that it will end simply because contemporary opinion has flopped to one end of the spectrum for the moment.

There are no good guys here.

Let's not forget why Hezbollah was formed. It was formed to end Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon.

Let's not forget that Gaza is not isolated because they want to be isolated but because Israelis created a blockade.

Oh I just looked at a link "Jerusalem Post" - Pro-Zionist Anti-Arab propaganda. Of course nothing objective is going to come from them.

reply to post by redoubt


“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

Theodor Herzl - Founder of Zionism.

Originally posted by archasama
Let's not forget why Hezbollah was formed. It was formed to end Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon.

Let's not forget that Gaza is not isolated because they want to be isolated but because Israelis created a blockade.

Oh I just looked at a link "Jerusalem Post" - Pro-Zionist Anti-Arab propaganda. Of course nothing objective is going to come from them.

That sounds incredibly discerning, until you read my post as your presumed elucidation will deteriorate into profound ignorance.

The title of this post should probably read Israeli Occupation Will Turn Lebanon Into Gaza.

The democratic process is only ever valid if it gets the "right" party into power. If it gets the wrong party voted into power, well, that just won't do at all.

Hezbollah are NOT Islamic extremists by any stretch of the imagination. They are now to be allied with the Druze socialist party, again no Islamic extremists there either. Of course, those who wish to demonise any political party in the Middle East will pull the old extremism card simply because they are Arabs.

So, the Israelis and US don't like it? Well the simpla answer is to stop dicking around in others peoples business and trying to influence who can run their own countries. I mean, how would Americans feel if, for instance, Israel ran the US government and it's foreign policy for their own ends instead of the good of America and it's people?

reply to post by Britguy


lol man its bit like when HAMAS won the last elections defeating he Israeli/US backd PA, Palestine was then bombd relentlesly afterwards. There is only one type of democracy, and if its not backd by the US, god help you.

reply to post by sbctinfantry


This is going to be interesting. The current argument against Israel is they are to blame for the conditions in the occupied territories. If Lebanon follows that same path, what argument can be used then? Since Israel cannot be blamed for conditions inside Lebanon.

I wonder if that could change the innocent Palestinians viewpoint on their elceted officals and bring change?

reply to post by Xcathdra


Well i imagine since Israel totaly and utterly decimated Lebanon recently, the conditions, regardless of whatever government shall remain pretty grim.

reply to post by Johnze

i imagine since Israel totaly and utterly decimated Lebanon recently.

I am sure sometime someplace you have made a statement about Israel being beaten or pushed back by Lebanon... I am certain you have skewed the view on the winner, to make it look like Israel was nearly or truly defeated.

Seems to be the same type of people making the same claims and or opinions...With the same sort of consistent logic, depending on the slant being attempted.

Hizbullah rule will turn Lebanon into Gaza

What? Israel going to build a wall around the Lebanon and kill children?

More seriously, Hisbullah saved the Lebanon from a major zionist invasion since 2006. Israel has been targeting Hisbullah since its defeat and used its standard m.o. of false flagging to frame Hisbullah for the assassination of Hariri.

The moment Hariri was vapourised by an explosives from yet an unknown source, Israel came out howling that it was Syria that had done it and the US went running with it. When Syria gave up its occupation of the Lebanon, Israel started pointing at Hisbullah and the US is hopping over it like a demented lapdog. Next Israel will blame Iran.

The truth of the matter is that Israel counts on anarchy to control outcomes and if the Lebanon collapses into civil war, Israel will take the Litani River it wanted to steal in 2006 and will commence an assassination programme in the Lebanon in order to exterminate the intelligentsia and leave country a vassal state.

Originally posted by Johnze
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Well i imagine since Israel totaly and utterly decimated Lebanon recently, the conditions, regardless of whatever government shall remain pretty grim.

Yeah that happens when Hezbullah hijacks the peace and launches rockets into Israel. Maybe if they concentrated on infrastructure instead of ya know, rockets and ammunition and the plan to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, they might be in a different position.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Amazing how the UN can be so interchangable depending on who the report targets. No issues accepting the UN report with Israeli actions and the Floatilla,, but by God the UN is a pawn of the UN and Israel when it comes to Hezbullah, with the support of Syria and Iran assasinating a duly elected official.

Spin it however you want, but at some point your going to get to dizzy to keep spewing the same BS.

Is Israel innocent? Hell no.

Neither is Hezbulla or Hamas... Maybe if those 2 groups would drop the wipe Israel off the map BS things might change. But then again why would those 2 groups drop one of their key excuses so they can continue killing innocent people and blame Israel for it?

reply to post by Xcathdra


Hezbollah's goal is to defend Lebanon from Israel aggression, which it has every right to do given the fact that Israel routinely violates its airspace and borders, plus they are both still technically at war with each other. Of course there are instances where Hezbollah have been the aggressor, but the majority of the time it is Israel, which until recently was still occupying parts of southern Lebanon. But of course people just love using double standards when it comes to these issues....And Israel is just salivating at the chance to attack Lebanon again after the embarrassment of 2006 imo. As for Gaza, Israel ramped up the blockade after the Palestinians voted in a free and fair election for Hamas, hoping that by punishing civilians and worsening the conditions they live in for exercising their democratic rights it would cause them to turn against hamas.

reply to post by Solomons




LOL.. Thank you for proving my point. The Lebanese Government and Lebanese military has every right as the legitimately elected Government of Lebanon to defend its borders, sea and airspace, not Hezzbullah.

Since Hezzbullah has now brought down the Government, and a new one is attemtping to be formed, it still does not give Hezzbullah any authority to act, as it would still fall to the Lebanese military.

Or are you arguing that Hezbullah is above the elected officals in Government and appointed military officers for theLebanese military?

I still fail to see how Israel failed at anything in 2006. The 1/3 lower half of Lebanon was under Israeli control. The mighty Hezbullah forces failed to defend the land. All they accomplished as cowards was to shoot at Israli forces from civilian populated areas.

The same UN report that hezbullah accepted with regards to that military action, also called hezbullah out for using human shields, and charging them, as well as Israel, with war crimes.

Funny how people forget that info.

Also, Hezzbullah didnt seem to mind violating Israeli territory to kidnap Israeli soldiers.. So their moral authority to defend is not as clean as you would liek to think.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Hezbollah has the support of the Lebanese government to defend against Israeli aggression and recover occupied lands. And no i did not say they are perfect, but Israels actions are far worse.

Originally posted by Solomons
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Hezbollah has the support of the Lebanese government to defend against Israeli aggression and recover occupied lands. And no i did not say they are perfect, but Israels actions are far worse.

edit on 22-1-2011 by Solomons because: (no reason given)

No really they dont. If they did, then Hezbullah would not have needed to send heavily armed guards to escort one of their leaders who was named in the Harari probe from the airport to his meetings in Lebanon. If they had the support, Hezbullah would never have needed to issue a statement saying anyone who attempts to arrest the guy would be killed.

They dont have the support when Hezbullah MP announces to the country that any person who agrees with the UN report on the Harari assasination would be arrested and executed as a collaborator of Israel and the US.

So no, sir, they do not have the support of the Government, or the people, or the military of Lebanon in the manner you suggest they do.

Israeli action,s Hezbullah, Hamas, Syria, Iran... ALL of their actions are BS.

Its an endless cycle with the only apparent resolution will be the people rising up and telling all government / groups to get the hell out and kill each other elsewhere, or a war breaking out in which case Israel will wipe the floor, as they have done in the past.

I for one hope for all people, Israeli and Arab, telling the tools in charge who spend more time killing their own civilians than each other because it makes for better news to show bodies and point a finger at the border to take a hike.

Israeli was not a country for 15 minutes before arabs set of truck bombs... Cant imagine why they are paranoid of their neighbors.

Originally posted by XcathdraMaybe if they concentrated on infrastructure instead of ya know, rockets and ammunition and the plan to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, they might be in a different position.

Infrastructure won't get them any sympathy, won't keep them victimized either