Chinese Nukes Aimed at US Cities

Blah blah Blah Blah, this is all irrelevant. Pretty soon there will be no more nuke weapons, so I dont get what all the comotion is about. China is not going to attack the US and China is not going to attack Russia. Russia is not going to attack China and Russia is not going to attack the US. Ever. Period.

Do you want to know why the terrorists are trying to disrupt the global economy. Because they are afraid of unification. They are afraid that unification will bring about the destruction of the "faiths" as religious fundamentalisim becomes that the detracter to Global Economic Powers. Soon it will all come to pass. The "terrorists" are trying to stop the global super powers from unifying under a common banner. World Trade. As soon as the two remaining super powers come in compliance with the "western, infidel, scum" as they would like to call us. They, the "terrorists" will have no ability to draw people into the "fight" against the West. They will be outnumbered by a sizeable margin and will have no hope at instilling religious seperation of their "chosen" enlightened people.

Thats why their will be no global conflict, no nuke war, no MAD conflict. The pressure will be on the "terrorists" to get nuke technology to feign an attack on one of the superpowers. That is why controlling and abolishing nuke weaponry is of high importance as China and Russia become more "Westernized". The terrorists know this and have made it their top priority to obtain this type of weaponary. Not to inflict pain of the people of Western nations but to prevent global unification that will assure their own destruction.

Very odd, I used to have a massive fear of some global nuclear event but today everything became very clear. Like a veil that had been hiding many secrets had been suddenly lifted exposing the "future truth" about where the planet is going. It is not headed for doomsday, We are not going to wipe ourselves out by nuclear destruction. The tide is turning and we are approaching a junction in human understanding and compassion.

There will always be conflict and unfortuantly people will continue to die because of armed conflicts, but the scale will be limited and the term of conflicts will be brief. Think a few Grenadas, the Falkens etc. There will probably be an armed "incursion" of Cuba. There will be continued conflict in the Sudan and in southern africa. The UN will continue to attempt to bring those nations under "control". Taiwan will return to China, not by force but by economic reforms and pressure. Taiwan will WANT to return to China because China will bring money and growth. And in an odd twist of fate China will block Taiwan from returning to China until she suffers a bit and cleans house. And the US will sit there telling Taiwan its hands are tied and that we told you so. You (Taiwan) pushed for independance when we advised you that was a bad idea and now when you ask for China to reclaim you and they delay it, you ask the US to intervene to mediate the situation, when it will be in China's hand now if you return and under what concessions you must now make.

The world is going to change.

Originally posted by kozmo
No offense buddy, but it's time to wake up and get a good deep whiff of the coffee. In an earlier reply you said that China was the same as the US!?!?! WHAT!?!?!?

I never said, Chinese milltary is as good as US, please point out the thread or place if you think I have said that.

What I have said is US can easily destroy China, China also has the capability to destroy US. So there should be No WAR between US and China.

Perhpas you haven't been paying attention. Until about 10 years ago you clowns couldn't get a rocket off a launch pad without it blowing up! Without Bill Clinton you would still be living in a military stone age. Without Clinton your economy would garbage, and so would your military. In fact, you people should build a stuate of Clinton the size of the statue of liberty. He's done more for your country than any of your "Wize" old politicians, so give me a break.

You sure is a follower to Cox. What is your evidence that Clinton help China? Clinton was impeached for Oral service. I think that the most threating Repugnants can find out. :LOL:

As far as the military is concerned, we could reduce you and your country to rubble in about 10 minutes flat... PERIOD. There is nothing to discuss here,

I guess China will need at least one hour or two. Yes, no comparison with 10 min. :LOL:

it is a fact. Sure, you guys could lob a few nukes at us and piss us off, but you don't have the ability to obliterate our country... PERIOD.

Soon be tested JL-2 can carry 6-8 warheads, one nuke sub can carry 12-16 JL-2 missiles. Get the map, and see if you wipe out 100 largest US cities, what will US left?

So get over yourselves. I've seen you praise yourselves and pat yourselves on the back in multiple threads, but you are still a COMMUNIST nation, devoid of freedoms and liberty. Instead of worrying about the good ole US of A, why not take some of that nervous energy and use it to change your government. Think of how nice it might be to one day have a baby and NOT have to KILL IT to appease the government. Think about it!

All I can say, is that your are still living in kindergarden. World is changing, China is changing. Go and Visit China to see whether it is still a communist country. Bashing and Barking do not make you look smarter.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
All we have to remember is that China is the only nation to have inferior ballistic missiles to the Russians. The track record for the Chines ballisitic missile program is not one I would want to brag about.

Bragging can not deflect an incoming missile. You can find out soon, if Bush really want to see.

Originally posted by zcheng

So get over yourselves. I've seen you praise yourselves and pat yourselves on the back in multiple threads, but you are still a COMMUNIST nation, devoid of freedoms and liberty. Instead of worrying about the good ole US of A, why not take some of that nervous energy and use it to change your government. Think of how nice it might be to one day have a baby and NOT have to KILL IT to appease the government. Think about it!

All I can say, is that your are still living in kindergarden. World is changing, China is changing. Go and Visit China to see whether it is still a communist country. Bashing and Barking do not make you look smarter.

It is Communist, but not pure communist. It just doesn't follow the Marxist idea of this utopia of equality because they've lifted equal income so that they would not end up like the USSR.

Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by FredT
Test and operational are two different things.

You wish.

Nope - YOU WISH. As the last 50+ years of aviation have shown, demonstrating an air platform and putting it into service are two different things....

But since you are a brainwashed Chi-com, I will play by you're rules.

As I remember, the YF-22 and F-23 were being tested in the 80's, so I guess BOTH aircraft have been operational for almost 25 years! And the Camanche has been around since the early 90's (maybe even 80's), so it looks like we have had that for 10-15 years. Oh, and then there is the B-2 which was being tested in the late 70's if I recall correctly, so I guess we have had that in operation for almost 30 years! Oh, and the F-15 was tested in the 60's. DAMN! That thing has been in service almost 50 years!!!!! WOW, the USAF is even MORE amazing using your logic! But there in lies the problem - you have none.

Agreed. Test and operational are completely different. How would you like to be driving a tank if there was even the slightest chance it might blow up on you due to mechanical failures?

Originally posted by Blackout
Agreed. Test and operational are completely different. How would you like to be driving a tank if there was even the slightest chance it might blow up on you due to mechanical failures?

I agree. Sure M1A1 will not have mechanical failure in Iraq, no one deny that they are operational.

Will US test those missile that are operational already? I believe US tested some in last few month. So is for Russia. In the case of Russia, at least lauches not go as planned.

Testing also include those lauches to show the readyness of those already operational. Experimental lauch will be different though.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by Blackout
Agreed. Test and operational are completely different. How would you like to be driving a tank if there was even the slightest chance it might blow up on you due to mechanical failures?

I agree. Sure M1A1 will not have mechanical failure in Iraq, no one deny that they are operational.

Will US test those missile that are operational already? I believe US tested some in last few month. So is for Russia. In the case of Russia, at least lauches not go as planned.

Testing also include those lauches to show the readyness of those already operational. Experimental lauch will be different though.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by FredT
Test and operational are two different things.

You wish.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by WestPoint23
no i dont think iraq was responsible for 9/11 i said they had Alqada in the country and didnt kick them out one of these id al zarqawi.

Have you ever heard of al zarqawi under Saddam rule?, please give me evidence or link. Otherwise, I can also claim that al zarqawi is an agent supported by Mossad and CIA. Very likely it is the truth.

Zcheng here are some links for you is that enough to shut you up or do I need to post more?

Link between Iraq and Al Zarqawi
Link between Iraq and Al Zarqawi
Link between Iraq and Al Zarqawi
Link between Iraq and Al Zarqawi

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Zcheng here are some links for you is that enough to shut you up or do I need to post more?

From the link you gave:
Far from exaggeration, what struck us about the case the President and Colin Powell took to the U.N. last fall and winter was its restraint. It focused mainly on a then-obscure terrorist named Abu Mussab al Zarqawi with no alleged 9/11 link, and a small affiliated terror group called Ansar al Islam operating in the Kurdish area of Northern Iraq.

Do you see Abu Mussab al Zarqawi operating in the Kurdish area of Northern Iraq?

US maintains No fly zone in the north. The Kurdish area was not under Saddam control, they were self-governed with the help of US. With the help of Kurds, US can easily take out the group. You think that Saddam has control over their?

If Saddam had coorperation with Zarqawi, why was he not operating in the Sunni and Shia area in the south?

Those information are just propaganda for US to justify invasion of Iraq, not facts.

Originally posted by zcheng
Bragging can not deflect an incoming missile. You can find out soon, if Bush really want to see.

No doubt, but the hot air comming from you is enough to attract every IR sensor in the theatre. Regardless, what is the point of all of your sabre rattling. Like many other posters in other threads Im begining to wonder if you are really from mainland China. Your grammer and sentance structure goes from really bad, to really good, and back again. I wonder if all your rhetoric is simply someone trying to bait everyone???

From the link you gave:
Far from exaggeration, what struck us about the case the President and Colin Powell took to the U.N. last fall and winter was its restraint. It focused mainly on a then-obscure terrorist named Abu Mussab al Zarqawi with no alleged 9/11 link, and a small affiliated terror group called Ansar al Islam operating in the Kurdish area of Northern Iraq.



Do you see Abu Mussab al Zarqawi operating in the Kurdish area of Northern Iraq?

US maintains No fly zone in the north. The Kurdish area was not under Saddam control, they were self-governed with the help of US. With the help of Kurds, US can easily take out the group. You think that Saddam has control over their?

If Saddam had coorperation with Zarqawi, why was he not operating in the Sunni and Shia area in the south?

Those information are just propaganda for US to justify invasion of Iraq, not facts.

I gave you links from 4 different websites 2 of them prominent newspapers and even the 9/11 commission said there was a link between zarqawi and Iraq but according to you they are all wrong cuz the mighty zcheng is smarter than everyone and has clearance to top-secret info to make his decisions...oh wait he doesn't so he is just angry I shut him up


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look im from new zealand the little countrys worry to this could begin the end of the world as we know it what we have here is nuclear war fare (just pointing out the obvious)

but also what we have here is nuclear clouds
nuclear clouds could be the alternatve affect of this war if it eva happens it would destroy civilisation as we know

we wont have time to go to mars it might not even be sutible to live on

Originally posted by WestPoint23

I gave you links from 4 different websites 2 of them prominent newspapers and even the 9/11 commission said there was a link between zarqawi and Iraq but according to you they are all wrong cuz the mighty zcheng is smarter than everyone and has clearance to top-secret info to make his decisions...oh wait he doesn't so he is just angry I shut him up

[edit on 14-7-2004 by WestPoint23]

If you blindly accept what the government is dumping on you, there is no point to debate. You have to look at evidence, use your mind, and decide yourself.

From all I have read and the evidence I gather, I conclude that 9/11 commission is just part of cover-up of 9/11, commited by the PTB in US. Tenet is just the scapegoat for the Iraq fiasco.

If you do not agree, I have no problem.

Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by zcheng
Bragging can not deflect an incoming missile. You can find out soon, if Bush really want to see.

No doubt, but the hot air comming from you is enough to attract every IR sensor in the theatre. Regardless, what is the point of all of your sabre rattling. Like many other posters in other threads Im begining to wonder if you are really from mainland China. Your grammer and sentance structure goes from really bad, to really good, and back again. I wonder if all your rhetoric is simply someone trying to bait everyone???

That is because English is my second language. I do not check spelling often, if my meaning can be understood.

Chinese is my native. But since you do not know any Chinese, there is no point to write in Chinese.

My only point here is to let American friends know that there should be no war between US and China. I maybe sable rattling, the only goal is to let you know that China has the capability to destroy US as well.

OK..well let them attack the U.S. and Russia. All they will be doing is digging their own grave. Even with their manpower, they don't have the tech to take on both the U.S. and Russia at once. Especially if Russia and the U.S. became close allies.

U.S. + Russia + Britain = world domination.

China won't do it. It would end the world as we know it.

-wD

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
U.S. + Russia + Britain = world domination.
-wD

Yes. I agree.

But do you know what US is doing in Georgia, Poland, Baltics? US is trying everything to dismember Russia. This means US is the number one enemy of Russia.

Both Russia and China are squeezed by US. There is more momentum for Russia and China to join forces.

zcheng how can you say that we shouldn't believe our governments reports when you live in a communist nation that surely lies more than any american politician I can think of.

Originally posted by pATTONME
zcheng how can you say that we shouldn't believe our governments reports when you live in a communist nation that surely lies more than any american politician I can think of.

Not at all. I do not want you to discredit all government report, but also not accept them 100%.

Open yourself to evidence, and make your own judgement.

For me, the election in Nov. is just a circus for the US people to think they are empowered, but actually it is just a mean for the rich and powerful to pick their representatives. President are elected by the interest of Mass Media, and who are controlling these interests?

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by Ambient Sound
That means that for every nuke China has, we have 34.

For most cities, one nuke is equivalent to 34 nukes, even if your number is correct.

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So both countries will be glowing, just CHina will be glowing brighter. Nice. However, given the rhetoric, it won't be the U.S. starting it, it would be China. Not that it really matters in the end if it DOES go nuclear. Only cockroachs (including Sepp Blatter) will still be living.

zcheng,
you seem to be a pro-Communist Chinese person that is afraid of going to war with the US. THis tells me two things. 1) That the US has military dominance over China and 2) China realises that a democratic Taiwan is devastating to its Communist ways.

The US has no problems being at peace with China so long as it allows Taiwan, which I might add is thriving as an independent democratic nation with the worlds 7th largest economy, to stay independent. It is China being greedy and knowing that Taiwan is a democratic model which disproves Communist China's claims of ownership.

Leave Taiwan alone, and we will leave u alone.

Propoganda, censorship, coverups, installation of population control, violation of human rights, these all define CHINA. I have such a difficult time understanding why you seem to think that a working democracy is worse than communism in China. If you think that democracy is better, and I would hope you could eventually see this, then u will finally understand why the US needs to protect the democratic independent Taiwan to prove to the world that democracy works.

Not at all. I do not want you to discredit all government report, but also not accept them 100%.

Open yourself to evidence, and make your own judgement.

For me, the election in Nov. is just a circus for the US people to think they are empowered, but actually it is just a mean for the rich and powerful to pick their representatives. President are elected by the interest of Mass Media, and who are controlling these interests?

zcheng how the hell can we gather the info and decide for ourselves when all the info that is out there you claim is a big cover up or fake and china does more to cover up its lies than any other country i can think off and your going to tell us not to trust the US. And again according to you the elections are just a big fraud whatever to you everything is a fake. I have one question though do you just sit around all day dreaming these theories and empty comments?
Also Chinese people cant even watch spiderman2 and Harry potter why?
cuz the Chinese government says it is bad for the moral thinking of our kids yeah right