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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist
I have to figure you are a hoaxer who does not believe in anything but just likes to come on threads to cause mischief by pretending to be some sort of follower of Christ. If not, call me and we will have a little chit-chat and you can straighten me out. Otherwise you are just a spammer and should have your posting privileges revoked.
In fact our Momma whose also our Father is so Fat even Jesus Christ himself calls Her our Fat Her who art in heaven".
edit on 2-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Well I guess you just figured wrong and why should I call?
Right, I see your point. Then I would say that the message was; "You have these doctors of the law who tell you what to do to be good people. I am here to tell you that what they say and what they do is not enough. You must be better than these men who act like they think they are so good."
What you said might have been the mission, but not the message.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Akragon
Conversion is becoming a better person.
You may be thinking of a different use of the word, such as joining a particular religion or sectarian membership.
Substitute my definition, for the word, in this sentence. You get:
That suggests to me that those who do not convert are not reaching their potential for good. That's quite offensive.
Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by HolyandClean
All mankind will be saved. God wills it. What God wills, will come about. Eventually, all will be saved.
This sort of question keeps coming up. As long as I have been a member of ATS, I have been posting on this subject. I have one example that has been informative to me. In the Old Testament, the scene is set for the entrance of Samuel the Prophet. (This is before he ever did any prophesying) It says, In those times, the Word of the Lord was not in the land. This was not because of a parchment shortage for making scrolls. It was a shortage of prophets. So the inference could be reasonably made that the Word of God is prophecy. It gets channeled in certain ways, in this case it starts out as a voice in the sanctuary of the Lord. If Samuel hears a voice obviously coming from God, and he goes on to tell, how many steps are there in the chain of word? God, and probably an angel making the actual audible sounds as words and sentences, Samuel who hears that, he tells the priest what he heard, who could decide it was important in a general sort of way, and tell it to the congregation later, what this message was. So there are like four links in the chain of the dissemination of the message. What the Gospel of John is saying in the first chapter, I think, is that all of a sudden, those intermediary steps are taken away to where it is direct, from the mouth of God (so to speak), to the listener, just the ordinary person drawn to Jesus to hear him speak. I use this qualification to this because that needs some explanation. Hebrews chapter one describes a heavenly scene where the person who is the future man Jesus, is the image of God and the Son of God. One may reasonably assume that would mean he was not God himself but sort of a virtual God, in that everything that one would want to know about God was visible in the person of the Son. We don't really know what that would mean exactly in the spiritual realm and we have to visualise it in human terms. He would have been the Word of God, in heaven. This same person, the Son, became the man Jesus, who was a prophet, but more than that, he had an intimate relationship previously with God, his Father. He somehow knew things within who he was that no man could ever know.
Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by monkcaw
So, if Jesus IS God, then there are issues that Jesus God never spoke to. Exactly who is speaking throughout the scriptures, is it Jesus or not?
Well I guess you just figured wrong and why should I call?
Things like that can happen but not from knowing or claiming to know Jesus. They would have been previously evoking spirits intentionally.
. . but then a Demon jumped on him, beat his but. . .
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by ExistentialNightmare
Substitute my definition, for the word, in this sentence. You get:
That suggests to me that those who do not convert are not reaching their potential for good. That's quite offensive.
"That suggests to me that those who do not become a better person are not reaching their potential for good. "
Any less offensive?edit on 4-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
No one even knows what that means.
. . .or by belief in a celestial entity.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by ExistentialNightmare
No one even knows what that means.
. . .or by belief in a celestial entity.
If I am wrong, please correct me on that.
So kind of hard to require a belief in something that has no definition.
I may be wrong on that, too, if so . .