Supernova about to give Earth a second sun.

Originally posted by lost artistic
Things can go faster than the speed of light

Some researching tells me that if they already have seen that pulsars can move faster than the speed of light, it might be possible that it can go even faster. We don't know that much of what the speed of the opposite of light is, don't know what that is, but the way i understand it this is not written in stone

Now im no physics expert but i was under the impression that matter increased in density in proportion to the speed it was traveling at. And as matter approached the speed of light its mass also increases exponentially to infinity. So if a Pulsar is spinning faster than the speed of light it would increase its mass infinitely and turn into a black hole........would it not????

Imagine not having complete darkness for a few weeks while this star goes through its supernova demise. It would be a taste of what the Alaskans (and anyone up in the Arctic circle region) experience. Imagine the entire world of ours basked in daylight for that long, for people not used to the effect having to experience it.

What might happen if billions of people became sleep deprived and just could not go to sleep? Sleep deprivation is a one-way ticket to psychosis. Experiments in sleep deprivation have revealed strange, intense hallucinations and then madness... and death. So, this raises the question: why do we need sleep? Do we need a reset button to another dimension where our consciousnesses exist? Sure, that's highly speculative, but the truth is that we don't really know that much about sleep. It's still a mystery.

What is not a mystery are the symptoms that happen when we don't get sleep for a long time. People see things. Not pleasant things. They see hideous things, monsters from the id, from deep in the horrific subconsciousness of humanity, primal, terrible things.

What if this star goes supernova and takes long enough to plunge at least half the world population into a hallucinogenic state of sleep deprivation? And, what if this somehow brought these nightmarish creatures from the id to life, physically into this world? What if Lovecraftian horrors used events like this to enter our world and wreak utter havoc? What if there were evidence of this in the past? Like some of the recently discovered cave drawings that seem to depict an explosion in the sky... and monsters hunting cavemen.

What if....? Perhaps it is time to prepare.

reply to post by GhostLancer


Sooo... are you seriously saying that people can't/won't be able to sleep just because it's a little bright outside? And that the world is going to become pure chaos and suffering because of this?

I have no trouble sleeping during the day, and if the light annoys me I just put a sock over my eyes. I'll suggest everyone else to do the same.

Originally posted by Slih_09
reply to post by GhostLancer

 

Sooo... are you seriously saying that people can't/won't be able to sleep just because it's a little bright outside? And that the world is going to become pure chaos and suffering because of this?

I have no trouble sleeping during the day, and if the light annoys me I just put a sock over my eyes. I'll suggest everyone else to do the same.

--LOL... One of the early replies to this thread suggested that this (sleep deprivation) might happen, and my thoughts spring-boarded from there. No, no, of course not just the presence of light, 24/7 for weeks. But...

I should've included my complete (or at least more complete) thoughts that led to the idea. What if a supernova also releases particles similar to the ones that bombard Earth all the time, only these particles are somehow unique. The guys using the large hadron collider (LHC) at Cern are using that to try to uncover secrets of the universe via particles. Imagine what kinds of new particles are generated by a supernova!?

A supernova makes a super collider seem like a dust particle compared to our own sun. What if a supernova could generate particles that (1) leads to sleep deprivation, and (2) somehow unleashes our subconscious fears and manifests them into physical entities?

If nothing else, this has the makings for a good B-movie. But, again, there are cave paintings depicting explosions in the sky and weird creatures that seem to be hunting, killing and eating prehistoric man....

The fact that this event took place all those many years ago and have yet to witness it, sure opens one's mind to how vast our Galaxy is. If it is going to be another million years before it can be seen from Earth, and if things keep going the way they are, it might just be insects that get to see it.

reply to post by GhostLancer


Oh dear that doesnt sound pleasant.. maybe time to start stocking up on these?

Originally posted by tim3lord

Originally posted by lost artistic
Things can go faster than the speed of light

Some researching tells me that if they already have seen that pulsars can move faster than the speed of light, it might be possible that it can go even faster. We don't know that much of what the speed of the opposite of light is, don't know what that is, but the way i understand it this is not written in stone

Now im no physics expert but i was under the impression that matter increased in density in proportion to the speed it was traveling at. And as matter approached the speed of light its mass also increases exponentially to infinity. So if a Pulsar is spinning faster than the speed of light it would increase its mass infinitely and turn into a black hole........would it not????

edit on 20-1-2011 by tim3lord because: phenylalanine just aint sugar

However, we do see it, therefore it can not be a black hole, therefore the pulsar's mass must not have increased to infinity, therefore the theory must be flawed. What force could spin a mass to infinity anyway? We have no real idea how the universe works, but the folks over at thunderbolts.com are on the right track...

As to the poster who mentioned sleep and consciousness, I have a theory about that. See the introduction to my short story in the "Short Story" sub-forum, titled "Impasse and Exit." In short, I believe that the brain is merely a transducer, and that one's consciousness is elsewhere...

This is all really weird to me. When I first read this story I didn't think much about it, and then I remembered I had a dream around a week ago of two stars in the sky. One in the east and one in the west. It was late sprint right before summer because I could feel a little bit of the heat and the grass was very green and getting tall. I was able to look directly at the second sun without it hurting my eyes, but it was still bright. It was a beautiful sight, but I felt uneasy in my dream like something was wrong...then I woke up.

The next night I had a second dream where a group of people and my family were in a closed up room and there was an dial on the way that read Oxygen levels. People were arguing over how much Oxygen should be in the air and fighting over something in a box. I still don't understand these dreams, but the second sun one is starting to make sense. I guess I'll go with my premonition and predict that the stars light and supernova event will reach Earth around the end of spring, so late May or early June.

What if people DO call tthis Nibiru? then...all the suicides, ranting in the streets...
If they don't at least mention this on the news we might be more screwed than excited.

S&F to you! This is absolutely FASCINATING! To think of the sheer size of this star....mind blowing stuff! Even if it doesn't happen in our lifetime, it will one day....It's kind of scary to me, yet exciting at the same time. The universe never ceases to amaze me!

reply to post by tim3lord


Matter increases in mass not density...so it's a scale, not "density" thing, as far as I am aware of.

reply to post by Krusty the Klown


Another thing that came to my mind while reading that this will be a Type II (core collapse) supernova.... And for those who didnt know (such as myself)... A type II supernova can briefly outshine an entire galaxy... and this one will be only a little over five hundred LY away. The supernova that created the Crab Nebula, SN 1054, was bright enough to see in daylight for 23 days, and remained visible for 653 days ... and it was 6,300 LY away. Betelgeuse is almost 12 times closer, and can be expected to appear around 140 times brighter by virtue of that alone.

So maybe this would give our scientists a great opportunity to discover new planets, etc with all of that light shining from that far away... I am no astrophysicist, but that's my train of thought, haha..

I know spikey were seeing back in time* i tell everyone that who talks to me or asks about astronomy. The docuemtnary i saw, i think it was hrough the worm hole, morgan freeman..i thought i remember them saying light travels 6 trillion miles a year, give or take..6 trillion miles rgardless is a vast huge distance...i wouldnt worry about any gravity, matter, energy form betleguese to do anything to us. its impossible to tell wether or not betlegeuse has already exploded or not anyways. when a star goes, it goes! when a star burns, is converting hydroen into helium. in the red giant stage, the hydrogen is exhausted, so it starts cosuming hte rest of what it was to survive..helium by majorty. when thats gone.. BOOM!! or simply fades to a white dwarf. or in rare cases i guess..the core is so heavy leftover, opens a black hole.

reply to post by lestweforget


Well the actual subject of my post was the fact that this whole thread is pointless as people have known betelguese is going supernova forever so this whole thread is kinda pointless. I just didn't want to be that blunt or harsh so I threw a question mark on it.

Also I didn't want to read through 2 or 10 pages to make a post on something that is as well known as.. I don't know the entire topic of the thread. Why such a s**tty attitude? If you read the same info twice does does it disappear from your mind forever? You should be able to determine what I was going to say from the first line, don't finish it and sure as hell don't comment on it.

Originally posted by Bluebelle
reply to post by GhostLancer

 

Oh dear that doesnt sound pleasant.. maybe time to start stocking up on these?

LOL... Yeah, that would help with sleep ---if it would be merely the absence of darkness that would cause the sleep deprivation. In the idea I suggested, a super nova would send forth all manner of particles taht we've dreamed of ---and then some. Again, our LHC (large hadron collider) at Cern is colliding particles to create new particles in order to discover God or see into the creation of our universe. Imagine the kinds of particle accelerations and collisions present at a supernova....

Perhaps some of these particles, mixed with gamma ray energy (?) mixed with vibrational surges... Imagine how all of those things bombarding our planet and passing through our bodies and vibrating our atmosphere (magnetosphere, ionosphere, etc.). It is possible, however unlikely, that some, most or all of humanity might somehow suffer from sleep deprivation.

It is even more remote, yet possible, that some of these particles, interactions and vibrations could somehow unleash the subconscious mind, or open up previously closed dimensional doorways and/or manifest Lovecraftian-like creatures into our physical world. The human mind is the real "Final Frontier," and scientists are just beginning to recongnize this.

Yeah, this is all just a wild, fun, imaginative speculation on my part. Again, it's personally entertaining for me as it might make a good premise for a cheesy B-movie. Still... there are those cave paintings where explosions in the sky herald strange creatures that hunt and devour prehistoric man. Also depicted are people sleeping (or dead, hard to tell). What were they drawing...?

Im not no Astrophysicist but, what if.....This star does explode and the force of the supernova pushes some object (I.E. Comet, Asteroid, Random Planet in our Solar System) into a trajectory for Earth?

is the supernovas force even strong enough to push a celestial object of a moderate size?

crazy thought....

Originally posted by GhostLancer
Imagine not having complete darkness for a few weeks while this star goes through its supernova demise. It would be a taste of what the Alaskans (and anyone up in the Arctic circle region) experience. Imagine the entire world of ours basked in daylight for that long, for people not used to the effect having to experience it.

What might happen if billions of people became sleep deprived and just could not go to sleep? Sleep deprivation is a one-way ticket to psychosis. Experiments in sleep deprivation have revealed strange, intense hallucinations and then madness... and death. So, this raises the question: why do we need sleep? Do we need a reset button to another dimension where our consciousnesses exist? Sure, that's highly speculative, but the truth is that we don't really know that much about sleep. It's still a mystery.

What is not a mystery are the symptoms that happen when we don't get sleep for a long time. People see things. Not pleasant things. They see hideous things, monsters from the id, from deep in the horrific subconsciousness of humanity, primal, terrible things.

What if this star goes supernova and takes long enough to plunge at least half the world population into a hallucinogenic state of sleep deprivation? And, what if this somehow brought these nightmarish creatures from the id to life, physically into this world? What if Lovecraftian horrors used events like this to enter our world and wreak utter havoc? What if there were evidence of this in the past? Like some of the recently discovered cave drawings that seem to depict an explosion in the sky... and monsters hunting cavemen.

What if....? Perhaps it is time to prepare.

It's quite possible that people could go cuckoo,look what happens to them when we have a full moon!!!

reply to post by Truther101


It's way too far to affect any of the planets in our solar system. Any nearby comets or debris would likely be vapourised when it went exploded

reply to post by Griffo


This is true, the distance is to great to have anything being pushed our way reach us at all, but for arguments sake that it did send something on the way it would be a hell of a long time before it got here. Thousands maybe millions of years as only the light will travel at light speed(LS), any actual matter would not get to anywhere near light speed and that would drasticly slow down it's arrival.
Before it blows though we will likely be bombarded with nutrinos but they are released before the star goes supernova. So there may be some warning but it wouldn't be much, likely only hours.

And just for the record, if it does happen to go, it won't be the end of the world. Assuming that it's more or less comparable to the crab supernova, taking the brightest magnitude estimate for that (-7 or so), and compensating for being 12 times closer, that would put a Betelgeuse supernova at about magnitude -12.5. That's just about the brightness of the full moon. So, it would be truly spectacular to see, but nowhere near the "second sun" that doomsayers might suggest. So, if it does happen, we'll count ourselves lucky to get to see it in our lifetimes, rather than bemoaning the end of humanity as the Earth burns under its glare.