Chinese Troops Deploying In North Korea

Originally posted by Fermi
China continues to quietly prepare....for what? In the last 5 years it has been reported that "they"

1) possibly hacked into the US Power Grid
2) proved they could take out a satellite
3) have an undetectable sub
3) have steal technology
4) can hit moving carriers

I am no expert but it you told me I had one day to come up with an outline on how to defeat the US those 4 items would be on the wish list.

(um, that's actually 5 items...)
(and, um, the sub is detectable -- it was simply undetected for reasons outlined earlier in this thread...)
(hacking power grids, gee, guess China is the only country capable of doing that...)
(the satellite was a powered down relic, but you're probably right - we likely didn't think to build defenses into our strategic satellites...)
("steal" technology....you got me there. I wonder if our stealth technology would stand a chance against their "steal" technology...)
(did I miss the news story that demonstrated China hit a moving carrier?)

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Gainsayer

 

I didnt discredit anything. I am stating facts. If there was an invasion of the USA that is how it would have to be done, not militarily. And the rest is true as well.

You've already shown your understanding of military tactics and terminology is rudimentary at best. Use bioweapons you say? Taint the water and food supply? Absolutely brilliant.
It speaks volumes though how you deduced me to a "redneck" though. I'll step aside and let others continue to show you how dim-witted you are.

reply to post by Ben81


do realize how big china is, do you know how much land is still empty wilderness.
most of the population have moved from a rural setting to the cities in hope of finding better paying jobs,
rather than being a rice farmer playing in the mud. and with all the sorry corporation moving in over there
to exploit the cheap labor, that the commie govt supplies, they do make more but still wind up in worse shape,
than if they would have stayed on the farm. they have to live in some of the worst ghettos you have ever seen.
did you know that they make people do jobs like clearing land and moving earth by hand instead of using machines,
because they have to many labors.

and if you look into it you will find that it is only where there is heavy industry, that there is a population problem.
china has more than enough land for all their people.

one more thing, if chinas weapons are any thing like their consumer goods, it wont be a long war.
most everything i ever bought that was made in china broke with in few minutes after i starting using it.
i not talking about goods that are made for or by major corporations, where they have a quality control systems
in place. i'm talking about chinese owned and made goods.

look into what you and saying and make sure it jives with whats real and not just some gibberish your spoutin/

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


You know I was actually interested in knowing how long I could live without food, or how little. So, when I was 40 pounds over weight, I decided to have one single meal a day that was very small, and 2 cups of water. What happened? I lost 20 pounds and felt great.

We can all use to lose some weight. We're not going to starve to death.

Also, iraq is a few hundred thousand angry people against a few ten thousand troops. They have been conquered many times. In places like America, Russia, and China, where they have enjoyed independence for hundreds of years, they are NOT going to go down easily. That's why the oldest nations on Earth are the ones that have a devoted people to fight. Like England for example.

And besides, a LOT of Iraqis sided with us, and wanted us there. And even when they started wanting us out, they still wanted our help. The US is not like that.

There's something about an alien force that propels a whole new kind of fighting if you've never been attacked before or in your nation's life time. It takes a lot of effort to successfully conquer a nation that has never been conquered and has an armed populace.

Anyone else getting tired of the Chinese ass kissing that frequents ATS to often as of late.

reply to post by getreadyalready


you stole my thunder!

I was just about to say it was to tell Kim to "sit down".

China doesnt want anything to do with us anymore that we with him. We make them too much money.

Its actually pretty smart on the Chinese side. They knew we really couldnt do anything without starting a real

"Crap" storm. They did it for us.

For once, kudo's to the Chinese.

Maybe in the near future we can start getting weapons from them again! The Norinco .45's were SWEET! Lots of smiths turned them into "race guns"! These jewels ran about 2 bills in the nineties. They run about 6 IF you can find one!

Originally posted by djtek

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

I take it you have not met many Americans? Your taking a huge group of individuals and then stereotyping them in to this fictional version of what your imagination perceives.

I live in massachusetts, but I welcome your insults as well as your imagination that somehow gang members and rednecks are qualified for military combat.

edit on 18-1-2011 by djtek because: (no reason given)

You live in Mass

Never mind, im in the Mid West and you would probably have to deal with a gun wielding Chinaman before they make way here. Would you give up or fight back? Run to the Cah then off to the Bah and have a last drink to your freedom..I understand people in and around the Bean have their head in the clouds and what not but they do not represent the majority of us. You should have more faith in us insurgents, ya know fellow Americans but hey if you think it will be an army of Jackie Chans vs a army of Cubicle dwellers then i have to shake my head.

And i am kind of bewildered how all these people who never served in a theater of combat have some kind of insight in the matter. Mass invasions are a thing of the past, wars are not fought over land any more rather resources when back is to the wall.


Fear the Chinese, the red army is coming people

Is this discussion fer real?

First ... China is NOT going to invade the US or the West militarily. Not today, not tomorrow. They don't have to. They have cash and they have numbers. Much like the "soft" economic invasion (Walmart, McDonalds) the US uses to bring home the bacon, China will follow that path to some degree.

Second ... let them invade ...

I do business with many Chinese people. I have quite a few Chinese friends and colleagues. They are great people. They easily embrace western culture while still retaining their roots. They are hard working, humble, honest, conservative without being fanatical, generally happy and easy-going, intelligent ... seriously, we could use some more of all those things.

Originally posted by ker2010
Anyone else getting tired of the Chinese ass kissing that frequents ATS to often as of late.

Seems to compliment the stupid Americans lingo, since people have become so anti American foreign and abroad with self loathing issues of rebellion so they need a hero, China becomes that hero in their eyes. Like "i identify with you so much pol pot" Yes a communist Dictatorship that does not allow basic human freedoms is not such a bad thing when you got us stupid socialist sheepish Americans and our evil Obama pissing in your Wheaties every morning. Us Americans really are keeping the man down.

The Chinese do not have to invade they just buy our companies out every other day like the one i was just working for recently. They know we will never pay them back and they really do not care because things work. We have a symbiotic relationship with China. It's economic slavery that is the game.


Fear the Chinese NAVY PEOPLE! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!

reply to post by randomname


Full scale nuclear war will never happen all the sides know it will lead to total destruction of both countries at the very least. Now if China were to launch ICBM's they would meet a wall of SM-3's the bulk of which are in the pacific. Don't forget about our Ohio class ballistic missile subs they still haven't been able to be tracked by foreign subs. Here's some video's for your viewing pleasure.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


I can see that I have upset you since you keep responding with insults towards me and not offering any valid argument. Anyways I never said that china will invade us, I was comparing what I see as a typical middle aged american citizen defending themselves against a chinese soldier. China doesn't need to invade us anyway. This country is rotting from the inside out, but I would still stand my ground and protect my home and family any way I could in hopes that someday this country's values and legislature are re-founded on what America was originally built upon.

Originally posted by djtek
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

I can see that I have upset you since you keep responding with insults towards me and not offering any valid argument. Anyways I never said that china will invade us, I said if they did those were my thoughts. China doesn't need to invade us anyway. This country is rotting from the inside out, but I would still stand my ground and protect my home and family any way I could in hopes that someday this country's values and legislature are re-founded on what America was originally built upon.

Im not upset at all, my brand of humor can be quite abrasive to some and you just came off like some of the pompous anti-American people here in such a way it seemed... so for that I apologize if you feel insulted. I agree with the second half of your response and am with you there.

reply to post by Gorman91



And lets not forget the entire of America has been invaded and conquered before as well! The native americans were defeated, so remember the entire America was invaded and defeated before as well, so let it be a reminder.

Originally posted by Gainsayer

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Gainsayer

 

I didnt discredit anything. I am stating facts. If there was an invasion of the USA that is how it would have to be done, not militarily. And the rest is true as well.

You've already shown your understanding of military tactics and terminology is rudimentary at best. Use bioweapons you say? Taint the water and food supply? Absolutely brilliant.
It speaks volumes though how you deduced me to a "redneck" though. I'll step aside and let others continue to show you how dim-witted you are.

edit on 18-1-2011 by Gainsayer because: (no reason given)

Um I have more military knowledge of weapons and systems than you do. Not to mention that you don't know the potential for bioweapons to defeat a large enemy. The only one who is dim-witted is you if you don't think the chinese can taint the water and food supply and then invade after US has been weakened. Its called tactics, read up on it.

Wow, some real crack pot posts in this thread.
Just reading this thread it is obvious why it is so easy for the mainstream to label all conspiracy theorists as nut jobs.

A few Chinese soldiers, big deal.
Read what it says completely and not what you want to see. First time in 15 years.
That means China had a presence there before, now they are re-establishing that presence.
The Wests military strategists would have planned for this eventuality long ago. So relax, the # is not about to hit the fan. And when it does, Chinese troops or not, the US will attack the north. And should there be Chinese troops there, they will get out of the way and let the US do it's business. Just like the Chinese and Russians let the US do it's business in Afghanistan and Iraq, and all across the Middle East - despite what some people on this site were claiming that Russia and China would do.

Let's be clear about one thing. There is only one global power on this planet, and that is the United States of America. Everyone else, including China, are a very distant second, third, etc.

If you think because China is refurbishing an unfinished Soviet carrier, has unveiled what is supposedly a stealth aircraft(details still unknown), and is now somehow a super power, you need a reality check.

The weapons the United States posses, let alone the weapons it has under development or is soon to put into operational service, will make what the Chinese are doing look like someone digging a ditch compared to someone building a death star. The Chinese really are that far behind.
Where other countries have been investing money into research and development, the Chinese have been investing money in reverse engineering Russian technology.

When the Chinese have and can maintain a sustained(open-ended) presence in all the worlds oceans, I'll start to worry.

During the battle of armageddon,doesnt some force try to pull a move,like this one.
Getting a nations troops somewhere and attacking that nation,making it look like they are about to go to war with each other,just to get our troops near,then attack us.

In the case China did intend upon invading the US. They would firstly seek to neutralize/disable the US Army/Navy/Air Force combative capabilities. If they succeeded to do this, before deciding to form any sort of land based invasion force. They would most likely extend terms in the form of some submission by the remaining government and citizens of the US. If these terms were rejected, China would seek the best viable option that would limit their own casualties and damage to the US countries infrastructure. Would biological/chemical warfare be applicable? Well it depends on its application and any negative affects it could have on the countries natural resources e.g. water.

In my opinion they would intend to apply combatives in this scenario, that would slowly wither away the combative resistance of US citizens(If biological/chemical weapons were not viewed as viable). If China were to reach the point in the invasion where they could establish well fortified FOB's on US soil. I see any form of Guerilla Warfare on the US citizens behalf, of actually forcing a Chinese withdrawal. As unlikely. This is hypothetically speaking. Though any form of invasion would not go smoothly. Though Guerilla Warfare has its uses. With a trained army, having established well fortified FOB's on your soil. With Artillery and Air Support to boot. An your own countries military arms taken out of the equation and the lack of access for citizens to get ahold of any Armoured Land/Air Support. You's will have a fight on your hands. Though history has shown, its not an impossible feat for a smaller, not as well equipped fighting force. To repel and defeat a larger, better equipped one.

In any scenario. Both countries should avoid direct contact on either's soil. Proxy Warfare is in both parties best interest. Fighting one another on either's soil pushes beyond the cusp. America do not want that. China do not want that. Though if it were viable. I wouldn't put it beyond either one to have a crack.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Gorman91

 

And lets not forget the entire of America has been invaded and conquered before as well! The native americans were defeated, so remember the entire America was invaded and defeated before as well, so let it be a reminder.

Not wanting to sound wishywashy -
But my people, my family that came from that .... We're still around.
I and my family members , friends , talk of someday when
we can finally come back and live freely on the lands we once lived on.

We know it won't happen in our life time,
but it would be nice to see. Until then we live buy rules and laws of the
government that took it over.

someday

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Gorman91

 

Thats what they said about iraq and afghanistan, they had guns but we still invaded...and its not going well for us in Afghanistan.

If someone invaded the US it would be easier if they first poison the food and water supply, destroy all power and all that stuff.

Then you do the military stuff. Chinese people can live off less food than us americans. So the US people will die of hunger first then you do the rest.

That is not true. A dude with 200lbs of extra weight can go longer without food then a yellow belly with only 5. The fat guy might *think* he needs food more but due to fat reserves could live a while without eating.
Also as stated water is localized. Some people even have wells not city water. Same with food it comes from ALL over you would not be able to just simply *poison the food supply* China has already tried to kill american dogs with their poisoned dog food. So your points are all pretty well ignorant.

Bio-weapons would not be used unless you would want us to use bio-weapons as well, we have labs all over the country for that purpose. It is an impractical weapon if the other guy has it as much as Nuclear Warheads, it is always a stale mate in the end scenario. Everyone dies.


As far as the American Natives go there was a technological advantage there while not a huge one but significant enough, the Indians could not get their hands on enough guns. The settlers were here for a bit of time before the thinning began. So unlike a hording army it was small pox that killed more Natives then weaponry. This is nothing similar to an invasion force.