Christian therapist who claims she can help gay men go straight faces being struck off

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by The Djin

 

So thisis another of your religious threads. As opposed to an issue of mental health.

My thoughts exactly.
Just another axe to grind with Christians I suspect.

reply to post by babloyi

So you don't teach your children your way of thinking, but you teach them that Jesus Christ didn't exist? Isn't that an oxymoron? Where did she get the idea from? What on earth subject is she studying?

I didn't teach my child jesus didn't exist she is fully aware that there's ample evidence of the existence of of jesii in the first century, whether any are your guy is another matter.

Oh by the way my kids are quite smart and my daughter excels in her class most times. Ironically in religious education (which she chooses to study) she scores about the highest unless the teacher that day happens to be a christian.

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by The Djin

 

So thisis another of your religious threads. As opposed to an issue of mental health.

My thoughts exactly.
Just another axe to grind with Christians I suspect.

Duh, If it was a mental health issue I wouldn't have posted it here

I just made this statement on another thread, when Christianity was attacked:

For the record, I am a follower of Christ and the principles taught within the Scriptures. I love all kinds of people, not just professed Christians. Because of the knowledge I have through my studies, I’d be one of the first in line to condemn the practices of men attempting to subdue other men by the power of God, like men are animals. I believe that is what has stifled our progression, as an intelligent species.

Then, I edited to add this:

If men are wrong to try to subdue other men by the power of God, they are equally wrong in trying to subdue other men by the power of man.


For the Christian woman in this story, I would remind her that she can’t heal anyone. That glory goes to our Lord. In stating that, she’s been trying to promote herself, not Christ. She can sit pretty for a picture all she wants, but she is not innocent. Someone was bound to challenge her practices, and she gave that person some lead way. I hope she learns from her mistakes.

To the gay man, I would mention that he sought her services knowing her faith, which includes prayer and being expected to discern between what the Bible teaches about good and evil. He knew she wasn’t a supporter of his campaign, and he falsely represented himself, too.

Quote from the article:

“He complained to the BACP and it launched disciplinary proceedings against her, accusing her of ‘praying to God to heal him [Mr Strudwick] of his homosexuality’ and having an ‘agenda that homosexuality is wrong’”

Why would a gay man go to a Christian healer, if he doesn’t believe in Christ or that homosexuality is wrong? He did what he did as an instigator. She was doing what she did with a belief in a healing he claimed to seek.

I hope he learns from his mistakes, too.

reply to post by Soke33


This part off this article bugs my happiness. Did he know prior to going to this therapist that she had strong christian views and practices.

If he did not know and was offered this therapy, and if he disagreed or was uncormfortable with it. Why did he not object and go to another therapist. Where he would have got the sametreatment without the so called praying etc.

Why go along with it and then decide oh you know what. Lets see how much compensations, he can getout of it. Beyond entrapement dont you think.

Originally posted by The Djin


I can assure you I'm in the UK Indeed I would normally spell defence like so Firefox, spellcheck does not recognize the nationality of the writer it would seem, and no I did not know the US spelled it differently why should I?

edit on 26-1-2011 by The Djin because: speeling

How could you not know that? It should have stood out like a sore thumb to use a cliche... You can set your spell check to English UK, or even English NZ - I have!
(Not many people know, that part of Firefox was actually made right here in Auckland NZ. I know that, because the unit of computer nerds who were doing the coding, had offices in the same building where I worked for 3 and a quarter years. Knowing NZers as I do, they probably did their coding in American, but still..)
V.

reply to post by Laurauk



Receiving monetary compensation is secondary to this guy, in my opinion. He seems more interested in advancing his cause by devaluing that of his greatest opponent, the Christian. I believe this doctor is the Christian he carefully planned to set up to accomplish something. Yes, that is entrapment, in my opinion.

If you try to suppress one to raise another, you shouldn't be seeking peace among people. Instead of advancing a cause because he wants peace in his homosexuality, I believe he has only added fuel to the fire. Though that is sometimes needed as a tactic, when confronting an opponent, pansy punches will only get your opponents more ready to return a blow. Every strike should be meaningful in fighting for your cause. I don't care you who are.

reply to post by Vicky32

How could you not know that? It should have stood out like a sore thumb to use a cliche... You can set your spell check to English UK, or even English NZ - I have!

For goodness sake Vicky are you out of my mind ??

OK Here goes - I use Firefox but only for ATS, why ? Because it has automatic spell check unlike IE eplorer I use for most other stuff simple convenience. Does this spell checker have settings ? I don't know the thought never occurred to me .

How do I prove I'm in the UK ? Fix a mutual time to post and we can think of something, if you are in the UK I will look out the bloody window and tell you about the usual crud weather.
Another option is for you to read all my posts and study the way I speak I'm sure you'll conclude I'm obviously a bloody Taf that has over a period attempted to refrain from asking - what's occurring?

(Not many people know, that part of Firefox was actually made right here in Auckland NZ. I know that, because the unit of computer nerds who were doing the coding, had offices in the same building where I worked for 3 and a quarter years. Knowing NZers as I do, they probably did their coding in American, but still..) V.

Clearly I did not read that bit about you being in NZ before I started typing as further proof I'm in a particular part of the UK, your lamb is crap compared to ours but ours gets shipped to France keeping the freaking price up. And before you ask I don't particularly follow rugbi (spelling by a taf)

Originally posted by The Djin

Clearly I did not read that bit about you being in NZ before I started typing as further proof I'm in a particular part of the UK, your lamb is crap compared to ours but ours gets shipped to France keeping the freaking price up. And before you ask I don't particularly follow rugbi (spelling by a taf)

I think I was doing the thing I do a lot according to my son - assuming that because I know or care about something everyone else does.. As a linguist, and an ESOL teacher, I am obsessed with the subject of AmE versus BE... as New Zealand English is being swamped by American English these days...
Oh rugby, I simply hate it!
I am happy to accept that you are in the UK, your word is enough!
Vicky

reply to post by Vicky32

As a linguist, and an ESOL teacher, I am obsessed with the subject of AmE versus BE...

The irony being I have little education so don't know what the hell your referring to there Now that we have resolved my whereabouts issue, you knuckle down to the work at hand.

Where were we Vicky ? Ah yes, although you and your gang had me completely outnumbered and surrounded you were failing miserably to give me a kicking lol

reply to post by Soke33

If you try to suppress one to raise another, you shouldn't be seeking peace among people.

Exactly, and as this has been the modus operandi of xtianity through the ages elements of the gay community are seeking payback. Although two wrongs never make a right one cannot blame them for taking xtians to task for their cultural bigotry.

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by Soke33

 

If you try to suppress one to raise another, you shouldn't be seeking peace among people.

Exactly, and as this has been the modus operandi of xtianity through the ages elements of the gay community are seeking payback. Although two wrongs never make a right one cannot blame them for taking xtians to task for their cultural bigotry.

Real Christians aren't seeking peace among men. We accept that Christ stated there would be no peace, until His Second Advent. All a Christian can do is share the Gospel with people of all kinds, and let God do the rest. It is not up to people to judge who is right with God and who isn't.

However, it an issue of who is right with mankind and who is not. How do you feel about those against homosexuality because it goes against the true nature of our species?

reply to post by Soke33

Real Christians aren't seeking peace among men.

Which begs the question, where do the "not real christians get their peace seeking morals from" ?

However, it an issue of who is right with mankind and who is not. How do you feel about those against homosexuality because it goes against the true nature of our species?

I've yet to hear of anyone claiming to speak from a position of authority on the "true nature" of any species let alone man.

New to the thread, and haven't read each post.
So I may be repeating a point or two, perhaps.

There are many divergent, even clashing people calling themselves "Christians" today.
Some are literalistic in their approach to the Bible, some are metaphorical, and some are a mixture.
Some will take only what Jesus supposedly said literally, while others also follow the Pauline doctrines, or even selections of the Old Testament.
Terms like "fundamentalist", or "evangelical", or "charismatic" are highly disputed.
I refer to it as "US Christianity", because there is a certain loaded language immediately recognizable in many US Christianities, or a specific "Bible-ese".
Remarkably homophobia is one issue that connects many of them nowadays, although Jesus Himself stated that certain men should not marry, and one class is made that way in the womb (Matt 19:10-12).

If one wants to join a certain religion, and this requires counseling then one should follow a "Christian psychologist".
However, the psychologist should label him/herself appropriately for adult choice.
Name the church or stream of Christianity, and then attach a career label.
Stop capitalizing on a common "Christian label" as if all Christians agreed on the topic.

Religion has often said that science, humanism or atheism are rival belief-systems.
So they are acting in bad faith if they try to sneak into a secular scientific world-view.
Why would they want to be a part of it in any case?
Get off the scientific roll and onto the "US Christian roll".
Sure, mention your qualifications, but stick to the world-view and market that you believe in, and don't expect support or recognition from secularism.
Similarly I don't expect openly gay pastors or counselors to be appointed in homophobic sects.

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by Soke33

 

Real Christians aren't seeking peace among men.

Which begs the question, where do the "not real christians get their peace seeking morals from" ?

However, it an issue of who is right with mankind and who is not. How do you feel about those against homosexuality because it goes against the true nature of our species?

I've yet to hear of anyone claiming to speak from a position of authority on the "true nature" of any species let alone man.

I don't understand the refusal to accept the divisions among men on earth, by any group of people. It is self-evident that we are all different in very extreme ways. For anyone to believe that there could ever be total acceptance of such diversity to acquire world peace, they have to be in total denial. It is a constant power struggle to promote one's own beliefs, and most group with others to strengthen their cause.

I do find it interesting that you lump man with all other animals of the earth. Is that all men are, in your opinion...animals?

I believe that men are advanced intellectual beings, above the animals. It should be expected in our species to conform to a norm. I prefer that the norm be based on truth. The truth is that most humans are heterosexual, and those going against the grain should not only expect strong resistance, but deal with it.

Without the full circumstances as to the nature of therapy we are only speculating. The gay man did practice entrapment which I feel was wrong. It was a political manoever too far. He went there under false pretences. It is still not illegal to be a Xtian and a therapist. We can only examine her therapeutic methods. Hers is a highly controversial practice but it seems to be perfectly acceptible in the USA.

I have a sneaking feeling that she will not get struck off if she did not use prayer and non evidence-based techniques.

www.gaytostraight.org...

If someone wants to procreate and raise children etc. etc. with the Mother of those children (very common desire) than it makes perfect sense that a gay man might want to become straight.

Like someone else said, we have doctors literally lopping people's penises off etc. etc. because they want to be the other gender, but somehow a therapist working with a gay person who wants to be straight is out of bounds?

Really? Seriously?

It's obvious that we're living in cloud-cuckoo land.

reply to post by The Djin

I also got hemorrhoids needless to say if your jesu/yahweh god is real I got them from him.

Yes, He's quite famous for giving them out: The Golden Haemorrhoids of 1 Samuel 6

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by The Djin

 

I also got hemorrhoids needless to say if your jesu/yahweh god is real I got them from him.

Yes, He's quite famous for giving them out: The Golden Haemorrhoids of 1 Samuel 6

I use that reference all the time to prove that God has a great sense of humor!

Lovin' it!

reply to post by Soke33

I use that reference all the time to prove that God has a great sense of humor!

Yes indeed. Precisely the kind of humour one would expect from the sadistic, egomaniacal psychopath who killed all Job's children, destroyed all his possessions and covered him with boils, just to win a bet.

Which, incidentally, He lost.

If you find that kind of thing funny (except as an example of Bronze Age human fantasy and brutality), why, you're welcome to it.