Comet Elenin is coming!

Three alignments between Sun/Earth Elenin - on three major earthquake days.
Well that is a very strange coincidence. By the way, the quakes were usually a day or two after the alignment - do consider time for effect to propagate.

I do agree very much with Electric Universe concepts; but I have somewhat of additional or different variation to the EU theory.

Something I could not find any data on yet. What is the Radio Signature of Elenin? Frequency, pulse strength, etc. If anybody might be able to point me to some data I would be very happy. This is the thing where I am working on a postulation: How much cosmic bodies might have an effect on each other due to their radio pulses. This might be the bullet in the barrel when coming to possible effects from comets.

I accept Elenin is not going to crash into Earth or the Moon; however there is a possibility that the orbit might change somewhat. Elenin might slow down as is common with comets when coming closer to the Sun.

To my untrained eye the sun had a bit of strange insidents over this past few months with sudden increase in solar wind (Last week it jumped from 316 to 727 km/sec), a large compound of electrons and protons - but a drop in magnetic flux from 14nTesla to -36nTesla. Stranger thing is that these increase in solar wind did not correspond with big solar flares - rather it is fairly quiet in the field of CME's - but magnetic and radiation is "unsettled"

Maybe all is normal as we are now going into SolarMax, maybe a little off from the normal. IF there are major solar flares -towards incoming Elenin, it might have a small effect on the orbit. Then the crossing point in 'front' of Earth in October will be smaller, later and closer. It might also be affected by other solar incidents.

Taking the small size of Elenin - but the possible polarity charge; it MIGHT just be possible that Elenin is having an effect on the Sun.

Disaster during mid October 2011? I found some very interesting references, one case actually as far back as 1985 where 16/17 October 2011 was mentioned as day for major disasters; and those are not religious or astronomical references.

In retro - this period might also revive the USA's 'Star-Wars' plan of putting weapons in space to 'protect against meteorites and comets' as per Third Phase stated and warned against by Werner von Braun. If that alone is going to be a result from Elenin's visit - it will be the doorway to a major human created disaster.

PS. PuterMan; thanks for the early link to SOTT.net.
Never known by me before but certianly looking very interesting - readings for tomorrow.

For more information on elenin YouTube Jcattera this guys videos will tell you everything you
need to know about elenin and the possible life forms anuaki which live on it.

Sorry for the edit information had already being posted

What,no comments on nasa saying itr a wimpy little comet that will have no impact on us.

Elenin's orbital elements were updated today at the JPL Small-Body Database:

Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 19:51, +/- 1 minute
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,974,163.9 km
Closest approach to the Sun: 2011-Sep-10 17:16, +/- 53 seconds

For reference, here are the previous updates:

As of April 13th:
Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 19:56, +/- 4 minutes
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,958,870 km
Closest approach to the Sun: 2011-Sep-10 17:16, +/- 3 minutes

As of April 7th:
Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 19:51, +/- 5 minutes
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,962,792.1 km
Closest approach to the Sun: 2011-Sep-10 17:13, +/- 3 minutes


As of March 25th:
Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 19:55, +/- 10 minutes
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,934,372.5 km
Closest approach to the Sun: 2011-Sep-10 17:13, +/- 7 minutes

As of Marth 15th:
Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 19:52, +/- 19 minutes
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,898,790.4 km
Closest approach to the Sun: 2011-Sep-10 17:11, +/- 13 minutes

As of March 10th:
Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 20:20, +/- 26 minutes
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,827,592.2 km
Closest approach to the Sun: 2011-Sep-10 17:28, +/- 18 minutes

As of March 3rd:
Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 21:08, +/- 39 minutes
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,699,527.9 km
Closest approach to the Sun: 2011-Sep-10 17:55, +/- 26 minutes

As of February 23rd:
Closest approach to Earth: 2011-Oct-16 21:39, +/- 1 hour and 7 minutes
Minimum distance at closest approach to Earth: 34,833,620 km

Elenin might slow down as is common with comets when coming closer to the Sun.

Exact opposite. In elliptical orbits the small body gains speed closer to the larger body it orbits, this occurs with every planet, every moon, every asteroid, every comet, including our own moon, which doesn't have a perfectly circular orbit around earth. That's how we get 'slingshot' effects around planets with space probes to increase their velocity. They aren't captured in orbit during this slingshot because they are already traveling faster than the body's escape velocity, and if they aren't they do it at a safe distance in the outer reaches of the body's Hill Sphere.

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I found a neat simulator where you can see this in action.....all i did was find a rough estimate for the eccentricity of the orbit and input it into the simulator. From what i read it seems to be around 1.0 mark (rough estimate) and does fluctuateen.wikipedia.org...

It shows clearly this slingshot effect and demonstrates it well.
www.windows2universe.org...

Forgot to add you can add in the au of the orbit, I used 22 863 as well, again its a rough estimate and only used to demonstrate an elliptical orbit. Speeding up the simulation demonstrates it better as well.

I just came across a link where Leonid Elenin debunks, on his own site, the conjunction theories in relation to earthquakes.

In particular it debunks the theory of the nutter Dr Mensur Omerbashich who as far as I can see is as whacky as a fruit-job.

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He probably has to debunk or else he goes to the cooler. lol
I am not saying Mr. Elenin is wrong or right with his debunk,
but any statement post first discovery by him could be
influenced by government, if there is a cover-up.

Contrary to what some might think from my posting:
I do not believe Elenin will have any disastrous effect on earth; whatsoever.
It is way too small and insignificant.

Except for its affect on scaremongers and Human minds.
Anyway it is most likely people will not be able to even see it.

The only value I do put on Elenin is of interest with relation to 'Time Keeping', possible orbit size and most important - its radio signatures.

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Disputable with two factions, even in Astronomy.

Generally on Short Period orbits (usually near spherical) the comet/asteroid is maintaining speed and when/if getting closer to sun the velocity increases; as same is true with planets.

There is a contradiction with long term comets/asteroids - Non-Textbook. Their orbits are more 'stretched' ecliptic. They come from far out and does not slingshot around the sun. As they come into the inner solar system they tend to slow down, as they exit they tend to speed up. Off course this is disputed by many. Much depends on the charge of such comet; usually Negative/South which explains the reduction of velocity when coming closer to sun and increase when exiting - magnetic opposition as well as reactions with solar flux/wind.

In the case of Elenin, we will have increasingly accurate data over this next few months and many are very keen on observations. STEREO-B will be the first near observatory - hopefully with some data. Textbook says velocity will increase - slingshot effect. Alternative (which I support) expect reduction while coming closer and increased velocity when exiting.

Yes, velocity is the key to escaping the solar gravity - but I believe the polarity difference is of much greater force.

But then; IF the Electrical Magnetic Universe is not part of one's believe - then there is only conventional text books.

In favour of the scaremongers; I do have a scrap of meat.
We do not know the appearance of Elenin - yet. See here are the interesting things.
One could have a look at the two comets together: 45P/Honda-Mrkos-Pajdušáková(HONDA) and Elenin.

If they are observable from the Earth:
HONDA's main portion of orbit is 'South' of Earth - and should be visible first around August.
ELENIN's main orbit is 'North' of Earth - and should be visible around September/October.

Now the final variable: IF Honda appears to the naked eye 'Blue' and Elenin will appear to the naked eye as 'Red" THEN I will be very worried. Here we then find a literal word for word description in the Hopi prophesies of the Blue Kachina and Red Kachina.

AGAIN: This is the critical part: Neither of nor both these two comets will have any disastrous effect directly on Earth. IF all of these do come true to the letter - then these two comets are only the brothers being united and they are only MESSENGERS of TIME. They are also referred to as the two white waterserpents; one rules South and the other North poles.

If this is all true - THEN we will need to find their Nephew the Warrior - a Red star which will stop for a while before he attacks. That is the Purifier, destroyer.

Interesting:
Most people are not aware that the Mississippi valley was originally Hopi land.
Research the sequences of Fire, Ice, Floods and Wind in the Mississippi valley (Central USA).
Now it is flooding.

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Well, for what it is worth, I feel both Honda and Elenin are significant but neither will cause serious threats to humans.

I have been a bit un-sure of events thereafter.

My gut is some sort of creation wave, at best. Kind of like a new season, or something

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You mean this color?

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Sorry just wont show complete, picture,, of course the interesting part can't be seen.



Try again,,

files.abovetopsecret.com...

I believe we should always review whatever was said from the perspective of the original observer - even prophesies.
Therefore I think we should look at the issue of Blue and Red comets as it probbaly would have been seen by the Native Americans. Pure night observations without equipment - BUT I might be wrong in that.

Should we accept this, I do think the prophesy should be taken in steps, as said with no hidden meanings. Thus then at first the Blue Katchina will appear, but he will be "masked until the last dance" only then will he remove his mask. That could be read like the Blue Comet will come but it will not be fully visible - or in blue tint - until the last portion of its trajectory visible from the earth.

Now, we all know a blue comet will be very difficult to see in the night sky and I never heard about Red comets - it really would have scared the ... out of people of olds. So look around today and found amongst many others these two very interesting photos. A further indication thatt hese type of description given by the Hopi might just as well be a very interesting phenomena in astronomy. I quote from: www.spaceweather.com...

"Comet 17P/Holmes shocked astronomers on Oct. 24, 2007, with a spectacular eruption. In less than 24 hours, the 17th magnitude comet brightened by a factor of nearly a million, becoming a naked-eye object in the evening sky. By mid-November the expanding comet was the largest object in the solar system--bigger even than the Sun. Since then, the comet has faded back to invisibility. A leading model of the blast posits a deep cavern of ice changing phase, from amorphous to crystalline, releasing in transition enough heat to cause Holmes to blow its top. The comet probably contains many such caverns so, one day, it could happen again."

This is the naked eye view of 'Blue' comet Holmes in 2007
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This is the naked eye view of 'Red' comet Siding Spring in 2010
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So it seems both Blue and Red comets - visible from earth by naked eye - is more common that I thought.
But we have two pointers in the Hopi Prophesy:
First the Blue one must come - masked, then pull the mask off at the end of the dance.
- Well for a fact comet Holmes did EXACTLY that on 24 October 2007.
Interesting enough is that 17P/Holmes did actually comply with all the descriptions - came from South, now really vissible by naked eye, were already high in the night sky by mid October - when it suddenly pulle dits mask off and became a very bright blue comet. Att hat stage it was moving further form Earth and was already 1.6 AU from Earth.

Then the red comet must come from the North Pole direction.
But with Holmes in 2008 this did not happen; at least what I can find records of.
(Well, Mars was vissible at the same time - but does not qualify - unless he is the nephew?)

Both of these are Brothers - they have to be vissble at least part of the visit at the same time in the sky.
To the best of my knowledge we did not had this - yet.

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Yes I found that site myself as I was searching the internet for 3D Interactive star maps. I was preparing a thread to post my most interesting finds, for star maps with great visual controls, and so on. I may get this thread up sometime but its time consuming to get a more comprehensive overview of the many features of the 20 or so I found the most interesting so far.

Anyone thought about the name "Elenin"?...

In the bible it is said Elijah will come to rectify the world before the end and he will be persecuted by the "great red dragon". The great red dragon can be interpreted like the Chinese Communist Party which certainly is the mightiest red dragon in this world. They persecute 100 million Falun Dafa practitioners in China like crazy since 1999 and the founder of Falun Dafa is called Li Hongzhi. And Nostradamus predicted the communist persecution to start in July 1999 - which happened(20th of July 1999).

E-Li-Jah means "E-Li-God". During these times, when a comet arrives with a connection to communism in its name, is that not quite obvious to us that believe in a multidimensional universe with higher powers controlling mankind?...

In my opinion the name has a symbolic implication, a meaning which implies the world´s people having been persecuted for a very long time by communism(and Lenin was the first major communist leader), it is just that few people realize it nowadays with all the noise around. Now the comet arrives with an E in its name plus a communist, let us see what this really is, we also have the 11-11-11 date coming up during this period...

PS: E - The hypothesized traditional source of those narrative portions of the Pentateuch in which God is referred to as Elohim rather than with the Tetragrammaton.


Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

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and the bit that becomes the problem is the asteroid YK55 in the middle of the red and the blue!

Just my 2 cents

Then the red comet must come from the North Pole direction.
But with Holmes in 2008 this did not happen; at least what I can find records of.
(Well, Mars was vissible at the same time - but does not qualify - unless he is the nephew?)


- "i am Mars, the God of War, you bow to me like you did before..." (from the song "Mars" off of Soulfly's "Prophecy" album)