The New Zeigeist Movie: 'Moving Forward' Premiered Last Night.

Wow I'm surprised there are no threads about this, so I guess I might as well start one.

The third Zeitgeist film "Moving Forward" is going to be released online January 25th.

But last night it premiered at select screenings put on by local Z-movements around the world. I was lucky enough to attend one of these screenings. So for anyone who wants a sneak preview, here's my thoughts:


1. I'll start off with some criticism.

The title is sort of misleading. For those people who are very familiar with the first two movies I think you'll find some of the info in the new one a bit redundant. A lot of the previous concepts from before - i.e. why the fiat/monetary system is a total fraud, how our society is conditioned to uphold completely vapid and trivial pursuits to keep us essentially enslaved by TPTB, etc are rehashed.

2. What this movie does do in a "moving forward" sense is take these topics that were previously touched upon and really hammer them home now. The movie is quite long (+2.5 hours), and it goes into great detail on things like social conditioning - "nature vs nurture" - and particularly how this relates to violence and crime.

It makes many more fantastic points about how frivolous and utterly backwards many of society's ideas on value/wealth/happiness are. If you haven't seen the first two movies you'll probably be quite moved by this. If you have you'll likely just be nodding along in total agreement going "mmmm hmmmm"...

The film also goes much deeper into ideas of peak oil and how utterly SCREWED we are if we continue on this completely unsustainable path (wait till you see what your income taxes will look like in the future!).

3. The new movie also has a touch of humor peppered throughout, and it takes a few awesome jabs at those who just want to label the whole thing "communist propaganda".

4. It really expands on what a resource-based economy would look like, and how it could all be correlated and carried out efficiently. The main point is that all this is completely possible with the technology we have today. The only thing that's missing is our resolve to make it happen.

This part is both really inspiring, but also kind of daunting. The movie focuses much more on the ends rather than the means. There is a lot of resistance to this path - mainly because TPTB are trying to keep us all apathetic and lazy and self-involved and divided and completely afraid of realizing how much power we all have to make a real change.



So to me what was really the most inspiring thing about this movie was simply the turn-out at the live screening. The theater was PACKED with over 800 people and many others had to unfortunately be turned away at the door because it was already a full house. The crowd wasn't all just young naive idealistic hippies either - it was full of different age groups and backgrounds. People of all creeds and colors basically who seemed bounded by the fact we're ALL just really fed up with this ****.



So the main message behind "Moving Forward" was, as hokey as this sounds: We ARE the world. We are the ones that make it run. Money has absolutely no value until you convince people to do something for it. So we need to stop mindlessly doing TPTB's bidding for it, just because we're conditioned to think this is the only way the world can work.

We are the many and they are the few - and in the end they need us way more than we need them. So we actually have much MUCH MUCH more power than they do.

But we all need to get on the same page first to make that count.

Zeitgeist is not about any existing political ideology. These ideologies are just a farce anyway to keep us all divided. Zeitgeist is simply about stepping outside of the rat race for a second and re-evaluating the very idea of what makes a society function as productively and thus beneficially as possible. The answer to this is not rooted in any current "ism" because they've ALL been hijacked by corporate and political powers to serve their own interests.

Meanwhile our own priorities have long been manipulated to simply support them in doing this. So we need to get over all the hyperbole and rhetoric they feed us about how thinking outside of this box is a threat to our freedom or whatever.

We already don't have any freedom. And the more people that start thinking outside the box, the more that will finally wake up and realize how much we are all TRAPPED inside of it. The powers that be are the ones working to keep it that way - but the only thing really holding us back is ourselves.


The Zeitgeist movies have been progressively maturing along this line. The first one was brilliant, but also kind of sensationalist in the way it focused on how much everything out there is a lie. The second one started to look at things a little more inwardly. Moving Forward continues along this path. Out of the three - it is the one that probably requires the most self-reflection and evaluation.

So I think maybe that's what they meant by "moving forward". We should all know by now what the problem is. But it's not going to get fixed just by all of us sitting around complaining about it - or hoping that TPTB suddenly have a change of heart and clean up their act. It starts with each and every one of us making the personal decision to stop enabling them.

Like Ghandi said:

Be the change you want to see in the world.

I was going to post this thread, but I searched and found another thread addressing this.


However yours is unique in that you went to the premiere and watched it. I'm glad to get some feedback, and now I want to see it.


So you would not consider this a trilogy?



In any case, when will it release online?

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


Looking forward to the January 25th online release! Thanks for the post and heads up! xx

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


I believe it's out on the 25th online. I think some places still have live screenings up till then though.

I don't know if I'd call it a trilogy. It's a philosophy that constantly has room for growth and new ideas so I imagine they'll continue expanding on it as long as it takes.

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Thank you for the sneak preview op. I can't wait to watch it aswell. hope they put some information out in regards of Project venus.

You know Zeitgeist is a great film as an "intro" for people just coming into the realm of conspiracy theories and how the world works.

With that being said however, I would suggest they stop pushing the Venus project. It's a pipe dream Utopian concept that is simply impossible to achieve. Mind you I enjoy the idea of a resource based economy, but it doesn't solve the problem of resource poor countries.

I will watch the doc when it comes out on the 25th, although I do expect more of the same information with some indepth commentary, as you've mentioned.

~Keeper

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I think the problem with the movement is that it's more idealistic than utopianistic. By that I mean the final product is actually possible - it's just the getting there presents all the seemingly "unrealistic" challenges.

As far as resource-poor countries though, it seems their idea is to get rid of countries. The new movie talked about tracking all resources globally, and distributing them likewise. Obviously a lot of today's "haves" are going to reject this idea much more than the "have-nots".

Hence I'm sure more people will start screaming that it's all just "socialism" designed to take our non-existent freedoms away...

I enjoyed the first couple of these documentaries, and thought the ideas proposed and discussed seemed sound and interesting.
Then I saw a clip on Youtube where one of the Rockefellers did a talk at one of their gatherings, and my alarm bells started ringing.

He could be a nice guy, but I wouldn't trust any of 'em, or anything they were involved with.

I tried to find the clip but couldn't.

Does anyone else know where it is, or what it'a called?

reply to post by mc_squared


I was also at a premiere showing and was excited to see a movie like this being shown in a theater. As the OP mentioned, the diversity of the folks attending the show was heart warming.

I may not agree entirely that moving towards a resource based economy, and centralized population centers is the golden solution for everyone, but I love that it is being discussed. I think that there is a feeling permeating the movement, felt in the movie, that the entire world would need to radically change over to the new paradigm or else it will never work. I can sympathize with this, it is hard to see how a significant resource based economy could live as a rogue entity within the current market system. But maybe we should try anyways. Just ignore the crumbling mess and start anew somewhere with enough support.

The film makes the claim that about 3% of the population would be required to volunteer their work to maintain the self contained cities. I suppose one issue is that the materials required, as well as the land, would have a monetary cost in our current system, while in the desired system there would be no money.

I think some of this is a bit "pie in the sky". For my part, I would be willing to offer my own time and labor to a project such as this if it seemed viable. And viability at this point I think is just a matter of critical mass support. Aside from the issues I mentioned above about paying for some materials and land use, I think a city such as the ones envisioned by the creator of this movie (et al) could coexist within a western country today. Think hippie commune of the 31st century. In fact, if it were shown to be truly self sufficient, it might serve as a shining medal on some near future politician's chest, and a reason for them to support more.

While I am here commenting on the movie, there was a moment I thoroughly enjoyed. This is not intended to ruin it for everyone who has not seen it, but then if you cared about that you probably read too far anyways. During the depiction of social unrest there came a pivotal moment when the "leaders" of the market system simply had to admit defeat. No one was willing to give the order to gun down the protesters, and so with that, the system went out with a whimper. I think this is a very interesting vision of the future that I had not considered, but it has a note of plausibility within it. If we were to push hard enough, deny that power comes with money, have the resolve to change the world and never back down, really, what can a bunch of men in the shadows do to stop us?

The real concern in this scenario is to deal with it all in a timely fashion before the powers that be have enough of their bureaucracy in place. It is getting to the point where so many different agencies exist, that we are just shuffled from one stall to the next. No one you talk to has any idea of what it all means and because of that they are able to wipe their hands clean of their responsibility in the matter. Very dangerous when dealing with real human lives.

Here's hoping.

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Agreed.

I feel the same way: maybe some of these ideas are too pie-in-the-sky, but I don't want to become part of a self-fulfilling prophecy by then just being cynical about it.

The great thing is having more and more people come out of the woodwork and discuss these ideas rationally and constructively. I believe the greatest obstacle to all this is our own inertia - and if we can overcome that, then yeah who knows - maybe anything's possible

Thanks for the summary, looking forward to the next installment. Unfortunately I live in a country that didn't have a showing.
I wOnder if this will change much?

Thanks again for that.

Peace

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
It's a pipe dream Utopian concept that is simply impossible to achieve. Mind you I enjoy the idea of a resource based economy, but it doesn't solve the problem of resource poor countries.

I have to disagree with you on this....

It is absolutely attainable, and technically, there is no such thing as a resource poor country on this planet.

Just because TPTB don't control or manipulate the resources that are available because they have no need for them, does not mean the country doesn't have resources.

Whether it be land for crops half of the year, fresh water supplies, growing conditions for certain medicinal herbs or plants or foods, grazing for animals, minerals, coal, oil, whatever... there is nowhere on this planet where you can't find a resource that is needed.

So in that respect, if you had a system in place like what is discussed in the movie and really drilled into in this latest one, it makes perfect sense and can be easily accomplished. As the OP pointed out, the only thing stopping us is the will to see it through and the desire to get off of our lazy, apathetic rears to start making changes instead of waiting for the end of the world as we know it, 2012 or TPTB to have a change of heart.

~Namaste

I Applaud Peter Joseph for his determined efforts for bringing new and improved information to the public. I also am very excited that he brought Jacque Fresco on board with this movie he truly is a visionary ahead of his time. I've read and watched every interview they have ever done. I just want to state that these people are visionaries and use a lot of scientific fact to base some of their opinions on. The end of the video presented most of the questionable material. Can you really see everyone walk up to the banks and dumping out there money on their front lawn? Probably not. Also he wants less government but if the government takes over monitoring all agricultural supply and demand then that sounds a lot like New World Order material. We definetly need smaller communities and more spread out. I think cities are to far from nature and our inherent need for Spirituality with mother earth. I didn't hear anything regarding Spirituality. I love Science and I don't have all the answers for people but I do know there is something much bigger than us and we have very limited to knowledge of our human history scientifically speaking. I do know that we are entering a new era of a new instant information highway and everyday it surprises me at the speed in which it is traveling. Take this video for instance which should reach almost 400,000 on Utube by the end of the night, and thats within 48 hours. Ladies and Gentlemen we have LIFT OFF and are now reaching top speeds to our Awakening and I happy to be apart of it aren't you?

Here is the link to that video: www.youtube.com...

This is a must read!!! The global elites have begun their persecution!!!

LONG BEACH, Calf. -- The FBI said Sunday that agents conducted weekend raids in California, Colorado and Washington and arrested at least three people; the target of the raids were a far-left, communist, militia called The Zeitgeist Movement.

Federal warrants were sealed, but a federal law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said some of those arrested face gun charges and officials are pursuing other suspects. Some of the suspects were expected in court Monday.

FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold confirmed the FBI had been working in two southeast California counties near the city of Long Beach state line. FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Seattle said agents arrested two people Saturday after raids in two Washington towns.

A third arrest made in northeast New Mexico on Sunday stemmed from a raid Saturday just over the border in northwest Colorado, both part of an ongoing investigation led by the FBI in California, according to a statement from agents in New Mexico.

It wasn't clear what prompted the raids, but Michael Lackomar, a spokesman for the Resource Based Open Source Environment, said one of his team leaders got a frantic phone call Saturday evening from members of The Zeitgeist Movement, a communist militia group. They said their property in southeast California was being raided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, according to Lackomar.

"They said they were under attack by the ATF and wanted a place to hide," Lackomar said. "My team leader said, 'no thanks.'"

The team leader was cooperating with the FBI, Lackomar said. He said RBOSE wasn't affiliated with The Zeitgeist Movement, but a handful of The Zeitgeist Movement members twice attended monthly training sessions with his group that focus on survival training and shooting practice.

On its Web site, The Zeitgeist Movement quotes several famous communists and states: "Started in late 2008, The Zeitgeist Movement exists as the communication and 'Activist Arm' of an organization called The Venus Project. ... The basic pursuit of The Movement is to begin a transition into a new, sustainable social design called a 'Resource-Based Economy'."

An e-mail sent to the group by The Associated Press wasn't returned Sunday, and phone numbers for the group's leadership were not immediately available. Berchtold, the FBI spokeswoman in California, wouldn't say whether the raids were connected to The Zeitgeist Movement.

Law enforcement swarmed a rural, wooded property Saturday evening near Long Beach, about 10 miles southeast of Los Angeles, neighbors said. Two ramshackle trailers sat side-by-side on the property, the door to one slightly ajar late Sunday as if it had been forced open.

Phyllis Brugger, who has lived in the area for more than 30 years, said some people who lived there were known as having ties to militia. They would shoot guns and often wore camouflage, according to Brugger and her daughter, Heidi Wood.

"Everybody knew they were communists with guns," Brugger said. "You don't mess with them."

About a month ago, 50 vehicles showed up on the property, and the women said neighbors assumed something bad was going on.

George Ponce, 18, who works at a pizzeria next door to a home raided in Denver, Colorado, said he and a few co-workers stepped outside for a break Saturday night and saw a swarm of law enforcement.

"I heard a yell, 'Get back inside!' and saw a squad member pointing a rifle at us," Ponce said. "They told us the bomb squad was going in, sweeping the house looking for bombs."

He said another agent was in the bushes near the house, and law enforcement vehicles were "all over." He estimated that agents took more than two dozen guns from the house.

Another employee, Ron Jakubczak, said the man who lived in the house often wore Army fatigues and would "play-fight" with his purebred German Shepherds. People at the pizzeria were surprised to find a military transport vehicle once parked in the man's yard, he said.

In Washington, one of the raids occurred at Bayshore Estates, a well-kept trailer park outside of Seattle. Neighbors said the man taken into custody lived in a trailer on a cul-de-sac with his wife and two young children.

A young man who answered the door at the trailer Sunday said no one from the family wanted to talk. A neighbor said he saw authorities with rifles run past his window and toward the trailer Saturday night.

"They took over the block like it was the Army. I thought we were being invaded," said Michael Morin, who lives two lots away.

Park manager Terry Mills said authorities blocked off the street for about an hour Saturday night.

"Needless to say, this has everyone talking," said Mills, 62. "We have a lot of retirees here who don't want all this commotion."

FBI agents in Washington also made an arrest in Tacoma on Saturday night, said Wilson, the FBI spokesman. He said no further information would be released until after they appeared in court Monday.

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Associated Press Writers Erin Gartner in Chicago; Rick Callahan and Charles Wilson in Colorado; John Seewer in Denver, Washington; Matt Leingang in Seattle, Washington; and Devlin Barrett in Washington contributed to this report.

The documentary really underlines the inherent flaws of todays economical capitalistic structure. It reminds much of structural marxism, and that the politicians, or the elite, alters some of the rules within this structure that best suit themselves. But in the end we are all what you may call slaves of this structure, for an example of this, just look at all the banks that needed bailouts and still went under. Addendum was better at this than the new one though.

It was interesting how they presented the sollutions to how we can solve the problems proposed in the documentary, but I don't see how this can be achieved within 50 years. I mean, absolving ourselves from a system that is rooted so deep as it is... there has to be some serious willpower throughout to even start a revolution of this magnitude. Pardon the cynicism, but there's not exactly a reason for optimism when looking around either.

To be extremely frank, and with respect, I must disagree with anyone promoting this movie as a positive thing..

What I saw with my own eyes, was the planting of a seed that will get all of the worlds peace activists salivating falsely. There are amny points that I can make AND WILL make publically to defile this movie.

a few are here as follows.. This is a movie to indoctronate minds to accepting the NWO in a psycho-scientific model of Industry meeting demand of individuals on a global market owned by one consolidated corperation that owns and controls the whole worlds recources. (note there were no details of how to aquire resources individually after the economy was made redunant [due to iminant crash] in this new society- THAT'S BECAUSE MEN AND THEIR LABOR WILL BE THE COMODITY AND INDIVIDUAL TRACKING OF DEMAND WILL DETERMINE THE QUALITY OF THE GLOBAL INVESTMENT)

as someone mentioned above- 3% to maintain the system... well .... what is the population doing while the labor is carried out by robotic technology? We seem to have missed a point here.. given the answwer is at the end of the film... one acredited doctor advises us that "it would take a few billion slaves to generate the energy we currently use in oil".. it is no surprise that this Dr is a representative of the oil industry looking to create another industry out of the human race- in fact, this is the whole purpose of the Elite and this movie series- to debase any last remnant of spiritual truth and lock us into a technological paradigm of whatever science is given to us to create that paradigm, after the decimation of the population- which is also implied and why there are no concepts provided that resolve this 'gap' in time from our current situation to the new paradigm of 'resource based man power' ... the end of the film also shows us that there is no need for a political change if man rises up- note the boardroom members still smoking cigars away from the protester... This is the reality-

The bankers and 'money itself' are the proposed patsies, while we as a race look to ague over the other puppets that allowed them to get away with a dead end economy for so long. Another point of note is who will rule this 'out of thin air' idea that has literally been on the agenda for around 1500 years for the old elite of Rome that were denied entry to the Ancient Mystery Schools of Europe and Asia Minor. Can we remind eachother that the same profane that were ruined in Rome simply moved to London to decimate the indiginous druid culture there after usurping the Gnostic tradition and creating the vatican and Roman Catholocism. did we forget they used to kill christians and jews before the vatican was built which simply stole the symbols and literalised them around 3-400AD and onward around the globe till today? And I am not even a religious fellow, though honest and spiritual yessss!!