Chemtrail Madness: Eastern Shore, MD

Originally posted by fallow the light
reply to post by annunakiexpert

 

no im blaming the air line corporations of clouding up the skies on days that are not naturally cloudy. and since it is 11:22 pm its impossible to see a blue sky so taking a picture would be pointless. and you have yet to come up with any evidence for your argument. you have just called people dumb the whole time and gotten angry. if i feel the need to (which i really dont) ill take a picture of a day that is suppose to be cloudless that has con/chem or what ever you want to call them clouding up the sky. that would have to wait for an other time since it is night here

and yes blame the canadian government because they have the power to do something about it. as does the US government.

edit on 16-1-2011 by fallow the light because: word correction

Yes, contrails cloud up the sky.
www.wrh.noaa.gov...

Contrails are a concern in climate studies as increased jet traffic may result in an increase in cloud cover. Several scientific studies are being conducted with respect to contrail formation and their climatic effects. Cirrus clouds affect Earth's climate by reflecting incoming sunlight and inhibiting heat loss from the surface of the planet. It has been estimated that in certain heavy air-traffic corridors, cloud cover has increased by as much as 20%. Since contrails can spread out and essentially become cirrus clouds, it is felt that contrails may affect the planetary climate in similar ways. Other studies are underway to better understand the role that jet exhaust itself plays in modifying the chemistry of the upper levels of the atmosphere.

any who...... the earth already has to much light pollution which blanks out the stars we do not need contrail pollution blanking out the blue skies. i love to see a blue sky and i think that it is worth fighting for. we as humans are losing so much beauty we once had we do not need to lose even more. if the trails have chemicals in them then that could be our lives our plants and our animals we will be losing. so whether its the blue sky our our health this needs to be dealt with.

think about if the population of plane passengers doubles and the air lines need to put more planes in the sky to meet the demands. that would be double the contrails in the sky and our kids would not be able to grow up knowing what a pure blue sky looks like. not that it will happen but it is possible.

reply to post by Pauligirl


thanks Pauligirl. at least i know that there are others that understand where im coming from.

I too have noticed the chemtrails curving lately. Usually they'll run straight lines every which way but the past few weekends, the planes will start off straight then turn. This seems to create a larger mass when the 'curve' part meets up with the 'straight' part lasting 30-40 minutes later!!!! I know, I studying them.

They're also spraying ...in front of the Sun it seems. If it's high noon, that's where the spraying takes place. When the Sun is setting, sure as chit, they're spraying in the western skies!

In the recent past, they'd spray (their typical straight trail) but it would move off rather quickly but still.....in formation. Now for the past 3 weeks, these babies are lingering for a very long time. One lasted over 45 minutes!

Don't let anyone tell you these are not chemical clouds. Don't even answer their posts.

People (who constantly jump on these threads like the ones above) want others---who haven't quite made up their minds yet-------into believing they're vapor trails by regular planes on regular flight paths with JUST the right weather conditions to leave their contrail.

Baloney!

One would think, this would be a constant sight especially if the argument is----when you see a lot of them at once (up to 8 at once) it's due to a regular flight path.

Nonsense.

Weather conditions are weather conditions. And condensation is condensation. Those two elements haven't changed!

Have the amounts of planes increased? Actually they did HOWEVER.....flights are now at their lowest in years due to consolidation. You don't have half-full planes leaving every hour anymore.

And now I see when the 'contrail' argument isn't adhering -----certain people try to insult you by suggesting they're cirrus clouds (even though you watched them being sprayed from a plane).

These people are insane and their on a mission.
Ignore them. They want to rile you up too.

Whatever they're spraying lately (since the beginning of this year, 3 weeks now) ---they're back with vengeance!

I agree with Human Alien.


The weather doesn't create these trails, airplanes do.


As I said, I'm not an expert, but I've read and studied up on Chemtrail evidence and there is alot of evidence that supports the theory.


While we have pilots and aviation experts posting, this doesn't make you an insider on chemtrails if they were classified. You would have no idea what they were...

reply to post by Human_Alien


people wont listen to reason of an eye witness. iv watched them being sprayed over and over and watched them dissipate some times up to 2 hours till they were fully out of site. but nope we are just dumb and have no idea what we are talking about because they are smart and we are durrrr. even if there are no chems they are still a problem. but you are just suppose to deal with it.

Exactly. If chemtrails were classified, pilots would not be privvy to that information. Infact no one would--it's just like any other conspiracy, it doesn't make anyone more knowledgable... but eye witnesses do have 2 eyes.

Originally posted by fallow the light
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

people wont listen to reason of an eye witness. iv watched them being sprayed over and over and watched them dissipate some times up to 2 hours till they were fully out of site. but nope we are just dumb and have no idea what we are talking about because they are smart and we are durrrr. even if there are no chems they are still a problem. but you are just suppose to deal with it.

edit on 16-1-2011 by fallow the light because: are not is.

Originally posted by zbeliever
Whats up with the "x's" patterns? Does anyone know? They make them here in Ohio...

One theory is: To create scalar energies (where the two lines meet) which might be working in conjunction with HAARP.

Originally posted by fallow the light
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

people wont listen to reason of an eye witness. iv watched them being sprayed over and over and watched them dissipate some times up to 2 hours till they were fully out of site. but nope we are just dumb and have no idea what we are talking about because they are smart and we are durrrr. even if there are no chems they are still a problem. but you are just suppose to deal with it.

edit on 16-1-2011 by fallow the light because: are not is.

Those of us paying attention, know what's going on (we just don't know 'why' and the: 'with what') And of those of us who know and are denying then they're either paid debunkers or ignorant observers. It really doesn't matter because they don't change the outcome or the reality of the situation.

I am still amazed how the average person doesn't notice them tough. They are so zero-ed in on the hand held gadgets that many don't even look up anymore.

So what's the best way to pull off a covert mission?? Do it in plain sight. It's actually quite brilliant!

And to the one who said something about not spraying at night. First off, it's dark out, how would you know anyway?
But personally.......I think there's a connection to the chemicals and the Sun. I think it needs the heat or radiation because I never see them spraying when there's an overcast or even when it's partly Sunny. It's usually when the skies are clear and prime for poisoning.!

Originally posted by annunakiexpert
to be honest i can't believe people are this paranoid... the only reason i could think of why the government would do that is to fight soon coming aliens but i don't that otherwise the idea is just paranoid people.

Paranoid? Is that what you think (even though it's ADMITTED) this is?

You think we don't have enough crap on our plates to deal with? You think we WANT to think/feel (know) we're being sprayed with unknown substances?

You don't think we're nervous enough about the unstable economy, unemployment, the rise in gasoline, the unemployment conditions, the overall cost to live, two wars with no end in sight, the US dollar about to tank, a planet whose poles are shifting, animals dying every other day, nations that hate one another (namely America) and the scuttlebutt about 2012?
You think we WELCOME this 'paranoia' as you so eloquently put it?

If observance is paranoia and millions of people are seeing the same 'new' phenomenon in their skies and....we have the military admitting to dropping Chaff and......China admitting to cloud seeding then................paranoia it is then! I guess it's a new craze!

reply to post by weedwhacker



and can have different engine types

reply to post by Pauligirl


Thanks Pauligirl for posting the gov report from NOAA............Really??

Why do deniers base their information on Government reports?

NOAA????

Are you not aware of all the recent reports by NOAA concerning seafood and other issues from the Gulf BP event?

And you site NOAA as your source for truth to dismiss chemtrails?

I think I will pass on the NOAA report…….

reply to post by weedwhacker


you are putting so much effort debunking chemtrails threads... i wonder what your motives are.

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


you seem intelligent. You also seem like you could objectively look at both sides of information still. i say that because most chemmies are blinded by their beliefs and will not look at anything that goes against their pre-conceived notions.

Please do a bit of research on upper atmosphere conditions. Look at what it takes for clouds to form. Clouds and con trials are the same thing. One is natural and one is caused by airplane exhaust. If you understand when clouds can form and at what altitudes, you can predict the amount of lines in the sky based on air traffic.

And after all that, think about this one important fact. If the bad man is spraying bad juice into the sky, he doesn't know where it will come to earth at because the wind pattern changes. So he might be spraying his mother, daughter, sister, cousin, or even himself. Does that make any sense at all?

From a wonderful, intelligent, articulate and wise couple up in Canada.

Okay, people who study contrails are not the same people who study "chemtrails". The big difference is the first group uses science, gathered from over 80 years of study in fields relevent to all features of a contrail and the second group uses speculations based on conjecture, supposition, suspicion, anecdotes, and sloppy meaningless attempts at science.
How do I know? I can read and research. Here's some links of actual study of contrails, including the how, why, and what.
Breaks down the forces responsible for better modeling
This is one of my favorites. It's a report on the sky 09/12/2001, and document the contrail formation, spread, and persistence of the only planes in the sky over the US.
Air Traffic Shut-down Study
Here a list of lots of sources regarding the sky 09/12/2001
List of Links
A study about using the characteristics of lidar to better study the contrail microparticles.
Use of Lidar
A study of contrails in the sub-polar atmosphere.
Alaskan contrails
A Master's Thesis about the characteristics of contrails
There are 681,000 using the phrase "contrail studies -chemtrails". Look for yourself. Contrails are studied by lots of people, for lots of reasons, from lots of places. When you know how and why the atmosphere works the way it does, then you will see why we can say what you see are contrails and 'chemtrail' do not exist. And no where in good science do these people just 'look up'. There are experts in many fields who show that everything I would call a contrail are in fact a contrail, and everything called a "chemtrail" is in fact a contrail. I'll stick with the study of experts, not people who just "look up" and believe in something for which there is no proof.

Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky
reply to post by Pauligirl

 

Why do deniers base their information on Government reports?

Why do "chemtrailers" believe a former FBI agent is telling the truth about "chemtrails"? Because they agree with what they are hearing. Had he come out and said there were not "chemtrails", you would have held similar feeling as you do about NOAA. Admit it; you believe those that agree with you, and you stop looking for other possibilities, like science.
There are two threads with "chemtrailers" patting each other on the back because someone without relevent experience or study but worked for the very same government you fear says what you want to hear. And gloss over the fact that he presents nothing of value to prove his claims.
And debunkers are the brain-dead sheeple? Because we can research and understand the science? At least we ask for something besides an opinion without basis.

reply to post by stars15k


It's called the fallacy of "confirmation bias".

Confirmation bias ....is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.[

Also, defined in The Skeptic's Dictionary.

Without confirmation bias, conspiracy theories would fall apart.

.....and.....

The Truth: Your opinions are the result of years of paying attention to information which confirmed what you believed while ignoring information which challenged your preconceived notions.

Read this interesting article.

reply to post by stars15k


BTW....update for those reading (and to expand on the OP):

Last evening, as the photos in the OP witnessed, were some extensive high cirrus clouds. My location (suburbs of Washington, DC) is geographically very nearby the OP's location. This morning, as would be expected by the weather conditions, and types of precursor clouds seen last evening, we awoke to mostly overcast skies. LOW overcast stratus-type clouds. Of course, may be many others, even high cirrus, but cannot see throught he low overcast to know.

IN FACT....contrails might be forming, above the lower clouds, and completely hidden from our view.

A look at some radiosonde (weather balloon) readings, and a glance at the Appleman Chart (or other contrail-predicting tools) will provides some answers. OR, you could just go flying!! And, climbing above the lower level clouds, have a look. (I have lots and lots of such experience....).

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Last hour's aviation METAR for the Washington National Airport (KDCA):

KDCA 171452Z 05009KT 10SM SCT045 OVC060 M01/M10 A3033

(Time of observation ..."171452Z"... denotes the 17th of the month, at time 14:52 GMT. That is 09:52 local time).

Winds from the Northeast (050 degrees) at nine knots. Good visiblity (at least) 10 miles. Clouds "scattered" at 4,500 feet, and "overcast" at 6,000 feet. Temperature -1C/30F. Dewpoint -10C. Altimeter setting indicates slightly higher pressure in the area (29.92, if measured today, this hour, would be "standard".... and then there would be no need for an altimeter correction value to account for the varying pressures locally).

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
That's a tough call. Honestly, I would have to say the altitudes were similar, and the results were different. I know that for every mile in altitude, the temp decreases by 3 degrees.

So I guess your arguement is based on when the temperature is at freezing? It was already nearly freezing at ground level, so I would say 5000 feet+ would be 32 degrees or less.

Sometimes, what people think they "know" is utterly and indefensibly wrong. The normal adiabatic lapse rate is, in actuality, 3 1/2 degrees F (or 2 degrees C) per thousand feet, not 3 degrees per mile. Right now, in Eastern MD, the freezing level is at about 5,000'. aviationweather.gov... Water vapor in a jet engine exhaust exits at about 1200 degrees F. If you have ever flown in a formation with other jets at high altitude, which you probably haven't, you would have noticed that the contrail forms within an aircraft length of exiting the engine. In an F-4, that is within 63 feet. At a 450 knot cruise, you are travelling at 760 feet per second. So the water vapor has to go from gas to ice in one twelfth of a second. An ambient temperature of 0 C isn't going to do it, so you expect contrails at temps of around -35 C, which in your area is going to be at above 24,000 feet. The human eye is simply unable to distinguish an aircraft at 24,000 ' from one at 25,000', or 26,000', etc