Palestina recongized as "Free and Sovereign Nation" within 1967 borders.

In the recent days several countries have recognized Palestina as a Free and Sovereign Nation, within the 1967 established borders.

In the last months of 2010 Brasil, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay and Argentina declared their recognition to the middle-eastern country. And recently, both Chile and Guyana announced they would follow the same path.

This move has the intention of creating leveled field in which the two opposing countries can meet as PEERS with the same rights and status.

This is just a sign that a new way of handling political and diplomatic crisis is being built by many of the so called "third world" countries, based on the concepts of concensus and respect for national sovereignities.
The so called "Multilateralism".

This comes in contradiction with the world as painted by the chorus of the Imperialist media, in which everyone is out to kill everyone. Most of us, in fact, don't believe in the military solution to humanity's problems.

I sincerely hope we (ie: earth's people) can take advantage of this historical moment and realize IS UP TO US to start "changing the world"...

I'm delighted to see this happening. At last, some common sense and humanity is resurfacing? I hope so.

Originally posted by wcitizen
I'm delighted to see this happening. At last, some common sense and humanity is resurfacing? I hope so.

We can only dream.

I think the world community has to begin to ignore the western allies of the Israeli occupiers and recognise the sovereignty of the Palestinian people. This means that the Palestinians can buy arms to protect their people from Israeli violence, organ theft and land theft amongst many other crimes. It also means the Palestinian people can take police action internationally against Israeli war criminals and assassins whether the US and the West help or not.

This is great news and I hope it frees the Palestinians from the colonialism they have had to suffer since 1948.

reply to post by drakus
I read the news stories as they were making their declarations of recognition. None of the stories linked to the actual documents that were said to have been sent to the PA and the Palestinian office at the UN. I guess I'll do a search and see if these documents have been made public yet.

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Map showing states which have recognised or have special diplomatic arrangements with the State of Palestine or some other Palestinian delegation
from wikipedia

Yea, sure it's great, but who are we kidding ? What is the international influence of south-american countries ? i mean really ? it's inexistant.

But i noticed a rise in palis deaths recently, as if the IDF was getting pissed... hell, even the Hamas leader had to call for a truce as they were more or less threatened of another mass bombing by the IDF...

Talk about throwing oil on the fire... or ...minding your own business.

I hate to pass as a negative person, but i hate it even more when pseudo-diplomatic moves end up with civilians deaths.

There is NO way Israel will ever agree on the palestinians requests (east-jerusalem capital, pre-67 borders), it's just not gonna happen, that's the way it is, sadly. So why brandish useless official announcements ? It would be more pleasant to see these countries ask for extradition to court for war crimes (a bit like Spain wanted to judge some chineses)

Hm funny, I would've called it Palestine
2nd line

A few excerpts from:
Palestinian Declaration of Independence

Algiers, November 15, 1988
. . .
When in the course of modern times a new order of values was declared with norms and values fair for all, it was the Palestinian Arab people that had been excluded from the destiny of all other peoples by a hostile array of local and foreign powers. Yet again had unaided justice been revealed as insufficient to drive the world’s history along its preferred course.

And it was the Palestinian people, already wounded in its body, that was submitted to yet another type of occupation over which floated the falsehood that "Palestine was a land without people.’’ This notion was foisted upon some in the world, whereas in Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations (1919) and in the Treaty of Lausanne (1923), the community of nations had recognised that all the Arab territories, including Palestine, of the formerly Ottoman provinces, were to have granted to them their freedom as provisionally independent nations.

By stages, the occupation of Palestine and parts of other Arab territories by Israeli forces, the willed dispossession and expulsion from their ancestral homes of the majority of Palestine’s civilian inhabitants, was achieved by organised terror; those Palestinians who remained, as a vestige subjugated in its homeland, were persecuted and forced to endure the destruction of their national life.

Thus were principles of international legitimacy violated. Thus were the Charter of the United Nations and its Resolutions disfigured, for they had recognised the Palestinian Arab people’s national rights, including the right of return, the right to independence, the right to sovereignty over territory and homeland.

In Palestine and on its perimeters, in exile distant and near, the Palestinian Arab people never faltered and never abandoned its conviction in its rights of Return and independence.
. . .
...Now at least the curtain has been dropped around a whole epoch of prevarication and negation. The intifada has set siege to the mind of official Israel, which has for too long relied exclusively upon myth and terror to deny Palestinian existence altogether. Because of the intifada and its revolutionary irreversible impulse, the history of Palestine has therefore arrived at a decisive juncture.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


If the U.S. pulls their support from Israel,God
will punish the U.S.
I don't want Jerusalem divided and I know the Israeli
people won't divide it.
There are a lot of christians who support Israel and her
God given rights to the land.
We will eventually end up with another world war on our
hands.The cause of that war will be Israel and her supporters.
So,let the flaming begin...

reply to post by mamabeth


Seriously?

You are aware that Israel is to recreated by the messiah and not by the acts of man, or as some claim God working through man. The literal Messiah is to come down, and reestablish the state, without that the "chosen ones" are acting against God.

Perhaps, you should look into Orthodox Jews against Zionism, they will break it all down for you with explanations from the Torah, and why the current state is acting against God.

reply to post by Uberlime

But i noticed a rise in palis deaths recently, as if the IDF was getting pissed... hell, even the Hamas leader had to call for a truce as they were more or less threatened of another mass bombing by the IDF...

Hamas has been in truce with Israel since before Cast Lead and it has not changed because they do not have any weapons to face the zionist occupation forces.

Almost on a daily basis, Israel murders Palestinian civilians in Gaza as a form of psychological attrition. Regularly Israel conducts a spectacular bombing that kills dozens of civilians at one go and often it conducts an incursion where hundreds of children and young adults are kidnapped and hundreds killed.

What Israel does to the Palestinians is incomprehensible and beyond the imagination of its supporters in the US. If you knew what they do, never mind the organ theft, you would call it satanic. How do the Israelis turn Palestinians into spies for them in prisons, with rape. The sustained and repeated rapes of young boys and women, often drugged, are recorded on video and presented to the victims as blackmail.

reply to post by mamabeth


No offense but your personal religious beliefs are irrelevant and irrational. I hope you know the decedents of the anceint Hebrews are the Palestinians and not the Russians passing themselves off as Semites.

By that reckoning I would suggest your god is already cursing your country, the US.

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
Hamas has been in truce with Israel since before Cast Lead and it has not changed because they do not have any weapons to face the zionist occupation forces.

and this the very reason why Americans
will not give up their guns.

reply to post by mamabeth


Israel's "God given right to the land" is male bovine fecal matter. Jews without a Middle Eastern Blood Lineage come from all over the world to kick Palestinians off of land they have occupied for thousands of years.

reply to post by mamabeth

If the U.S. pulls their support from Israel,God
will punish the U.S.
I don't want Jerusalem divided and I know the Israeli
people won't divide it.
There are a lot of christians who support Israel and her
God given rights to the land.
We will eventually end up with another world war on our
hands.The cause of that war will be Israel and her supporters.
So,let the flaming begin...

Greetings Mamabeth,

I'm babysitting today, so I probably will have to take up some of the details at a later date.

I've had occasion to examine the original battle on the field of Megido which formed the archetype for the expected 'Battle of Armageddon'. The conclusion of the battle resulted in the inflow and inclusion of more people within the Confederacy of Israel. So the issue really is, IMO, a question of inclusion as opposed to exclusion.

Jesus said, as recorded in Luke 16:16 "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it." I take this to mean that the battle for inclusion has always been with us.

I have a theory about the Nazi regime which was a crescendo of a long standing European attitude of seeing inclusion as a zero-sum game; in that in order to receive the birth right in the kingdom of God, it must be taken from someone else. I consider that zero-sum attitude to be seriously flawed. Unfortunately, Zionist Judaism has adopted that same flawed outlook.

There must come a time in which the Jews recognize that the land was not given to the Jews, it was given to Abraham even though he dwelled in it as a wandering Bedouin. Abraham made treaties and alliances quite freely with the people he lived among, who were there before him.

Even if one claims, "but then it was given to Israel, to drive all those out before them." Yes, to Israel, still not to the singular tribe of Judah or any other single tribe. The battle fought on the plains of Megiddo brought more people into the Confederacy of Israel, it did not exclude but rather included. As John said, "God can make children of Abraham out of rocks if he so chose", How much more than, can God make children of Abraham out of people! I think your Christian scriptures more than imply such a thing.

Statement by the Government of Guyana in Recognition of the State of Palestine

The Government of Guyana has today decided to formally recognize the State of Palestine as a free, independent, and sovereign state, based on its 1967 borders.

This decision is in keeping with Guyana’s long standing and unwavering solidarity with, and commitment to, the just and legitimate aspirations of the people of Palestine for the exercise of their right to self determination and to achieve a homeland of their own, independent, free, prosperous and at peace, and our advocacy over the years for a two state solution to the Israeli- Palestinian conflict with the people of Israel and Palestine living side by side in their free and independent countries in peace, prosperity and harmony and within secure and internationally recognised borders.

It is Guyana’s hope that the increasing recognition of the State of Palestine will contribute to a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the creation of lasting peace and stability in the region.

January 13, 2011
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Here's one that I found.
I'll keep looking

Statement by the Government of Chile recognizing the State of Palestine

Thank you all for your responses. I'm delighted to see no real flaming rising in a very polemic issue...

I read a comment that discarded the ability of southern american countries to affect international politics, and while it deserves a long argument, i'll only say that OUR STRENGTH COMES FROM OUR UNITY. We believe in concensus, and most of all are convinced that MOST of humanity's issues are CREATED rather than natural.
There's no real reason for world famine, there's no logic reason to understand the millions of deaths caused by preventable diseases. The only reason is that this Status Quo allows the upper segment of global society to mantain a hold on the rest of us via mantained scarcity.
Well, we are up to change that.
You can join us, if you can find even a tiny speck of hope in the midst of CNN, FOX, demopublicans, Teabaggers (or was it teaparties?) and such boring creations of the Establishment.

Cheers.

Drakus.

Argentinian declaration:
Google-translated from a TELAM cable

"President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner sent a note today to the president of the Palestinian National Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, for which he announced that the Argentine government recognizes Palestine as a free and independent state within the 1967 borders and in accordance to determine what the parties during the negotiation process, "read Timerman.
The Chancellor said that Argentina has traditionally upheld the right of the Palestinian people an independent state, and the right of Israel to live in peace with its neighbors within secure and internationally recognized borders. " "To that end, our country has always supported international initiatives aimed at achieving a just, peaceful and lasting Israeli-Palestinian conflict," he added. He also recalled that "despite the efforts in this regard, the objectives set by the Madrid Peace Conference of 1991 and the Oslo accords of 1993 have not been achieved, which has led to a state of deep frustration."
He further stressed that the Argentine government "shares with its partners in Mercosur, Brazil and Uruguay, it is now time to recognize Palestine as a free and independent state." Therefore, the Argentinian authorities consider it necessary to convey this decision to the deep interest as to reach a breakthrough in the negotiation process leading to the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. " "The recognition of Palestine as a free and independent state is part of a tradition of friendship and solidarity with the Palestinian people," said Timerman and outlined the Palestinian Authority in 1996 opened a diplomatic mission in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 2008 set up its representation diplomatic mission in Ramallah and in November 2009, President Abbas visited the country.
Meanwhile, Timerman stressed that Argentina has always ruled in favor of respecting human rights, against terrrorism and the disproportionate use of force and has declared its firm opposition to the policy of settlements in the occupied territories carried by the authorities of Israel. " He also noted that Argentina's recognition that "in addition to a hundred states, reflects the growing consensus of the international community about the status of Palestine as well as the widespread interest in order to achieve breakthroughs in the peace process." He stressed that Mercosur "maintains friendly relations and cooperation with Israel, which were reflected in the free trade agreement signed with Israel" and stressed that the agreement "is the first that has carried forward the regional bloc with a country outside Latin America ".
"Argentina reaffirms its position irrevocable right of Israel to be recognized by all and live in peace and security within its borders," said the head of the Palacio San Martín. Timerman concluded his message, noting that Argentina's decision to recognize the Palestinian state "is part of the will of the authorities to promote the negotiation process leading to the end of the conflict and is motivated by the profound vocation of coexistence among all peoples. "

I'll try to post the Brazilian declaration.
Drakus.

That doesn't mean squat.

The territory was Jordanian in early 1967, and was conquered after being attacked by Jordanian forces during the 6-day War.

Conquered territory.

Looks like next time the SHTF with Israel, they need to completely drive out the remaining Jordanians who have miraculously come up with a new name - Palestinians.

And as far as using the Bible to show that the land doesn't belong to Israel, one may take another look at unfulfilled prophecies. Gaza is going to be literally smoked.

Damascus will disappear in one night.

Amman will likewise be completely destroyed.

As will the so-called Palestinians. Completely.

But that's according to the Old Testament's unfulfilled prophecies. In the latter times.

Odd, though, how since inception Israel has faced unbelievable odds, and each time prevailed . . .

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

If the U.S. pulls their support from Israel,God
will punish the U.S.
I don't want Jerusalem divided and I know the Israeli
people won't divide it.
There are a lot of christians who support Israel and her
God given rights to the land.
We will eventually end up with another world war on our
hands.The cause of that war will be Israel and her supporters.
So,let the flaming begin...

And, tell me please, where does your god put the palestinians in his whole plan? Aren't we ALL his beloved children? why the preferences?
Doesn't make much of a sense to me, but, hey, you have the right to believe whatever pleases you...

Anyways, it's OBVIOUS to me that religion HAS NOTHING TO DO with the Israel-Palestina affair, but it is used to mask the real POLITICAL, MILITARY AND ECONOMIC reasons...
Use your brains, then your faith...