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Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by metalshredmetal
As I said, you don't get it, and I guess you never will. The static field of the charged metal sphere can fluctuate due to changes in air density around it, so I that's what I meant by measurement -- if these fluctuations are small compare to the problem you are trying to solve in the lab, it's still static.
Now again, for the fifth time -- how does a sphere produce a toroidal field?
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
referring to posts you didn't make, things I never said,
All electromagnetic phenomenon has a toroidal shaped field.
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
you used the word fluctuate a lot to explain your idea of a static system...you know fluctuate is synonymous with flux, right? static systems dont fluctuate, thats why theyre static.
Here, we present a new range of solutions covering the tolopology of the whole torus
knots set and having previous solutions as a particular case. By having the topology
of the torus knots set we mean that initially all the magnetic lines and all the electric
lines stay linked and closed on the surface of a torus and, moreover, when time evolves
we can find numerically field lines knotted as a torus knot. These configurations could
be also important theoretically, as the stability of electromagnetic fields [3] may play a
role in particle theory [4, 5] or even in certain asymptotic limits of string theory [6].
4. Conclusions
In conclusion, we have presented new exact solutions of the Maxwell equations in vacuum such that, at a given initial time, satisfy that all the magnetic lines and all the electric
lines are (n, m) torus knots.
In nature, the magnetic fields created by planets and stars present also toroidal structure and nontrivial topology of the field lines.
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
once again you are completely ignoring the the points i make which illustrate your odd logic. so once again, i say:
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
you used the word fluctuate a lot to explain your idea of a static system...you know fluctuate is synonymous with flux, right? static systems dont fluctuate, thats why theyre static.
if you do not respond to this i must only assume that you're dodging the question, and that you were incorrect by claiming "bullsh!t" when I claimed all systems are dynamic, and none are static.
Except that's not what it looks like. As buddhasystem said perfect toroid shapes are only theoretical, and in reality Earth's field is quite a distorted version of that because of the solar wind. I posted a more accurate diagram back on page 167 here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by SoulVisions
Edit: I mean in this way-
Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by Arbitrageur
And even that is not relevant. The Earth's field is solenoidal, not toroidal to begin with, so I don't know why this even entered this discussion in the first place.
edit on 2-2-2012 by buddhasystem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SoulVisions
I was attempting to explore reasons as to why a certain individual may have come under the assumption of a sphere producing a toroidal shaped field.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by SoulVisions
I was attempting to explore reasons as to why a certain individual may have come under the assumption of a sphere producing a toroidal shaped field.
You mean solenoidal?
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
reply to post by SoulVisions
my claim was mostly referring to a paper published by two scientists at the university of madrid in June 2011...
my previous post illustrates some relevant points in the paper....
don't bring it up to buddhasystem though, I tried to show it to him but he just ignored it. then once he acknowledged the paper he made it clear that he thinks his opinion is more valid than these scientists'.
Originally posted by SoulVisions
Spherical tokamaks create a "perfectly shaped" field.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by SoulVisions
Spherical tokamaks create a "perfectly shaped" field.
Sphericals tokamaks do not exist.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by SoulVisions
You are right, there is a variation of tokamak of a different ration of the whole to the size.
I stand corrected.
However, it's still a donut shaped object
Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by SoulVisions
You are right, there is a variation of tokamak of a different ration of the whole to the size.
I stand corrected.
However, it's still a donut shaped object:
spehrical tokamak
OK, let's make an experiment. Measure the field produced by a sphere, map it and graph it. Will you see a torus?
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by SoulVisions
You are right, there is a variation of tokamak of a different ration of the whole to the size.
I stand corrected.
However, it's still a donut shaped object:
spehrical tokamak
should i follow your example and belittle your intelligence for misspelling? and perhaps attack you with viciously vulgar names like you did me? Na, i'm not that mean.
and as for this proposal:
OK, let's make an experiment. Measure the field produced by a sphere, map it and graph it. Will you see a torus?
i've already provided scientific evidence for my point, which is that the universe NATURALLY creates EM fields in the shape of toroids, like the ones observed around planets and stars.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
a) you said all fields are toroidal
edit on 2-2-2012 by buddhasystem because: (no reason given)
All electromagnetic phenomenon has a toroidal shaped field. Everything is in flux, nothing is static.
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
Originally posted by buddhasystem
a) you said all fields are toroidal
nope, not quite. you're still manipulating quotes and events to make them seem in your favor...
All electromagnetic phenomenon has a toroidal shaped field.
My opinion (based upon observation & scientific evidence) is that Nature produces EM fields in the "over-all" design of a torus. whether or not that field is then distorted in different ways because of circumstantial conditions (solar wind, adjacent EM field interactions etc.) , that is a variable that often occurs, of course.