Loughner pulled over by the cops just before. Maybe its just a coincidence but.....

While reading another thread in the Breaking news foru i read the article related, and noticed something which aroused my attention in the Yahoo news article -

Loughner posted "Goodbye friends" on his MySpace page at 4:12 a.m., then bought bullets and a backpack-style diaper bag at Walmart at 7:27 a.m., according to authorities. Three minutes later, he was pulled over by an Arizona Game and Fish Department officer, but he was let go. He wasn't acting suspicious and there was no reason to search the vehicle, the agency has said.

He was PULLED OVER why?
He wasnt acting suspiciously, so WHY was he pulled over?
And then released?

What i found funny was, Mohamed Atta, the 9/11 ring leader in the US had an arrest warrent issued for traffic violations in Florida where he was stopped for speeding days before 9/11, the officer ran a computer check and he came up clean,the officer said the chances of this error happening is thousands to one.

They pull this guy over three minutes after buying bullets, and then let him go on his merry way to kill six people a few hours later.

Why pull him over for no reason and then let him go?
Maybe to let happen what HAD to happen?
Or maybe just another case of bad luck !!

Anyone else remember cases where the killer is known to the police only a short while before he commits his crime !!

source

He was pulled over for running a red light.
I dont think it had anything to do with his purchase.

Hours before Saturday's shooting, suspected gunman Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an Arizona Game and Fish officer for running a red light.

Loughner was "very forthcoming with his license registration and insurance. The officer, whom Paxson would not identify, did a visual inspection of the vehicle and issued a warning to Loughner but took no further action.

well tptb had too make sure he had the rite ammo they cant have him running back too wallyworld at the last minute!!!!!

I wonder how many other people buy firearms or supplies and are coincidentally pulled over after they leave? Sounds like somebody may be monitoring these purchase.

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Haha i know right! that would have messed the plan really bad lol

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R U kidding me there Monitoring this thread at this very moment Smile

But he was stopped for running a red light..but he wasnt acting suspiciously or anything..he was just late to kill six people..thats all.

What im saying is...he was stopped by and now known to the local police a short while before his spree.

Now we have a reliable witness who saw him a short while before. He shot a red light he was questioned but let go because he wasnt suspicious, but the cop will remember him a couple of days later.

Mohamme Atta had a "B.O.L.O" (Be On the Look Out) issued in florida for traffic offences, he's stopped, nothing comes up on the police info system, and he's let go.

So far, this much is known about Mr. Loughner’s movements in the hours before the shooting, according to the authorities:7:34 a.m.: Mr. Loughner was pulled over by an Arizona Game and Fish Department officer for running a red light on an access road a few miles from the supermarket where the shooting later took place.

“The contact was very cordial,” said Jim Paxon, a spokesman for the department. “Mr. Loughner was very forthcoming with his license and registration and insurance. The officer did a visual examination of the vehicle. He had no probable cause to search the vehicle or detain the subject.”

Can some one explain to me what is meant by "ACCESS ROAD" in the US, what type of road is it?

The A.Z.G.D only stop cars on traffic violations where they feels lives are at risk.
If an ACCESS ROAD isnt a highway or they isnt a high traffic flow..why stop him?

You will see cops sitting around these sort of places performing checks or waiting for someone to mess up. An access road is the entrance/exit to another area or highway.

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I can think of many cases I have seen like this on the net, but one better is the one I personally know of. A co-worker was telling me about how her cousin who had made a deal with the police to snitch on someone to get out of trouble, was pulled over and ruffed up by the cops as his passenger watched. They didnt stop him for a traffic violation. They stopped him and pulled him out of the car to remind him that he had better provide them with someone soon, and informed him that they werent messin around. About 2 weeks later another co-worker was set up by this guy and susequently arrested. They will do wahtever it takes to accomplish thier agenda, whatever that may be. I would run out of fingers if I had to count on both hands the times I have witnessed a cop lie or fabricate evidence. The moral of the story here is trust NO ONE

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I did hear about him getting pulled over. Also, about the police going to his house a few times, etc.

My assumption was this the reason the sheriff was so slow to release the reports he was required to release by law and so quick to yell as loudly as possible, "Its Rush Limbaugh's fault."

If his dept. was negligent or not I cannot prove one way or the other. However, he has been very slow to release information he is required by law to release and very quick to point the finger of blame at others.

Originally posted by andy1972
Anyone else remember cases where the killer is known to the police only a short while before he commits his crime !!

Remember the case of Jeffrey Dahmer? One of his victims escaped and fled naked to ask for help; two women found him and called the police. Dahmer calmly apologized to the police, convinced them that his "boyfriend" was drunk. The police entered Dahmer's apartment and smelled a "funny" smell (a decomposing body from his previous victim). (eeeew) In spite of this, the police released the drugged victim into Dahmer's care.

Jeffrey Dahmer Wiki

If Loughner was seen driving his own vehicle just hours before, why did he need to take a cab to the Safeway store?

And if he was not home the night before, from where did he access a computer?

news.yahoo.com...
At 4:12 a.m. Loughner was at a computer keyboard in an unknown location, typing a farewell bulletin on his MySpace page — "Goodbye friends."

I pray the officer does not blames himself.

Peace

Originally posted by starviego
If Loughner was seen driving his own vehicle just hours before, why did he need to take a cab to the Safeway store?

Beat me to it.

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As many have pointed out, he was stopped for running the red light. If the cop searched the car and arrested him (without an existing warrant) we would be screaming that his rights were violated. Granted the murders wouldn't have occurred but no one knew of his intent and we can't give everyone a psych evaluation or detain/imprison them because of a minor traffic offense.

Dude is crazy, end of story.

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From what they say, he went home and was fussing with the stuff in the car. His dad started questioning him, they got into an argument, he took his bag and left on foot.

Originally posted by starviego
If Loughner was seen driving his own vehicle just hours before, why did he need to take a cab to the Safeway store?

I wondered the same thing, then I read this:

...an officer with the Arizona Game and Fish Department pulled Loughner over for running a red light. He was given a verbal warning and released. He then headed home.

He remained there until being confronted by his father sometime before 9:40 a.m., the timeline says. He ran away with the black bag in hand.

A taxi driver picked him up around 9:41 a.m. from one of the Circle K stores he had visited and drove him to the Safeway, in the same plaza as the Walgreens. Both Loughner and the cab driver went inside the store, at 9:54 a.m., apparently so he could get change to pay his fare.

www.cnn.com...

Now the cab ride makes sense to me.

something seemed odd to me
about this info.

why would a fish and game officer
be monitoring and stopping traffic?
Traffic enforcement is not the roles and
duties of fish and game.

Then it dawned on me

he bought ammo

and that could be fish and game

so why would fish and game be
on him within minutes of him buying ammo??

he may have already been on a watch list
from his priors

and when he purchased ammo, an APB was
posted immediately and the location given.
fish and game stopped him to see what
state of mind he was in.

this is based upon what I know of the fish and game
of NC. I don't know how different AZ is.
But here in NC, fish and game only gives tickets
to folks who have broken the fish and game laws
and do NOT have the jurisdiction or the power
to make traffic stops due to breaking traffic laws.

something is not being told to us about this incident.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
so why would fish and game be
on him within minutes of him buying ammo??

Here is what I read about Fish and Game authority in AZ:

Wildlife officers have full authority to make traffic stops, although they usually don't do so unless public safety is at risk, the department said in a news release.

www.cbsnews.com...

My supposition is that Loughner was nervous about buying the ammo (he had already been denied at another Walmart). In his rush to get away from the Walmart (and possibly thinking about his plot rather than the road) he ran a red light.

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by boondock-saint
so why would fish and game be
on him within minutes of him buying ammo??

Here is what I read about Fish and Game authority in AZ:

Wildlife officers have full authority to make traffic stops, although they usually don't do so unless public safety is at risk, the department said in a news release.

www.cbsnews.com...

My supposition is that Loughner was nervous about buying the ammo (he had already been denied at another Walmart). In his rush to get away from the Walmart (and possibly thinking about his plot rather than the road) he ran a red light.

man, there is a lot of fish and game to be monitored
in a Wal-Mart parking lot !!!!! Fish and game folks are
not normally patrolling these areas. They are in rural
areas where folks hunt and fish not inside a huge city
like Tucson. I still believe Fish and game were notified
that Jared had purchased ammo before his traffic stop.

And why was he denied at one location and approved
at another ??? That's enough to set off red flags on
an ATF/DHS computer screen.