Earth’s ‘wobble’ means your zodiac sign may be wrong

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A Minnesota astronomer confirms what many have suspected: Your horoscope is quite possibly wrong. Earth's shifts on its axis over the past 3,000 years have changed the 12 zodiac signs. For example, think your sign is Aquarius? You may be a Pisces. (There's also a 13th sign, Ophiuchus, that's based on a constellation the ancient Babylonians threw out for symmetry thousands of years ago.) So who's to blame for this scam on zodiac devotees? The ancient Babylonians based the zodiac on which constellation the sun appeared to be in when a person was born. Since then, the moon's has exerted a gravitation pull on Earth, causing a "wobble" on its axis that has shifted the stars' alignment by about a month, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports. "Because of this change in the tilt, the Earth is over here and the sun is in a different constellation than it was 3,000 years ago when this study of the stars began," astronomer Parke Kunkle told the Twin Cities' KARE-TV. The shift isn't new, Kunkle says -- the zodiac world just hasn't taken the wobble into account. Here's your new sign below:

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I Don't know about the rest of you but I have been a Scorpio my whole life, so I think I'll stay with it.
I would like to know how you feel about this.



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Don't forget there is a new sign also. Instead of 12 there is 13.

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My B-day is 2-10 which makes me a Capricorn now? I prefer to stay an Aquarian since we are entering the Age of Aquarius...they even write songs about it. At least I know now why my horoscope never came true! I lost alot of money on the lottery when it said it was my lucky day.

Good find! Thx...ETeeTime

I guess I am a Sagittarius now. I don't really know what to think about that as I have never really put much stock in horoscopes. What does this do to the other aspects of the horoscope? Like your rising and sun signs?

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I have no Idea maybe someone will...

I'm a Scorpio with all the classic indicators of a Scorpio (Nov. 5th). By this, I would be a Libra, which I totally am not. I like Scorpio anyway...it sounds cooler

Very interesting! I am still a Leo, actually which is good, because I like being one. Though my wife's switched and it actually makes a great deal of sense!

I remember reading something about this a few years ago... 15 actually.

I vaguely remember Russell Grant had a theory about this is "The Sun" newspaper. But at that time it seemed "I will just throw this out there and see what happens" sort of theory.

So I decided to go for Capricorn for a few months to see if it resembled anything of my Characteristics and ideology... And I have to say it wasn't even close. I stuck with Aquarius, it was more accurate and the symbol was cool and I loved the break down of how it explained my own personality. Or did I make it that way?

Which leaves me with this idea. What if... a Zodiac symbol could be tailoured to suit your own needs?

Anyway I don't personally go for horoscopes as they are more of hinderance than a guidance.

now all we need is to have identity crisis....

Indian astrology (jyotish) as well as Tibetan astrology have meticulously followed this shift, called "precession" over the past thousand of years.
That the zodiac has shifted (roughly one degree every seventy years) does not render Western astrology inept, but it certainly renders the Western tropical zodiac virtual. However, one could point out that astrology in all worlds works with parallelisms, thus it could be argued that the one-month period starting at the spring equinox (about March 20-21) parallels the sign of Aries.
I myself prefer to work with the adjusted zodiac - as do many Western astrologers who call their zodiac (which does not differ much from the Indian one "sidereal."
There are some folks whose Sun will be in the same sign in both counting, like my Mom who is a Scorpio sun because there is still an overlap. In about three hundred years there will be no overlap.
I do not know of any workable traditional system that uses thirteen signs.Partly because there is an elemnt of number mysticism in astrology, so the sky was divided to twelve equal parts the best way it could. The sign Ophiucus is actually mostly above the zodiac whereas the ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians etc. perceived their 12 constellations on the zodiac (the path of the Sun).

It is another thing though that most good astrology works as a system, and a third factor is that in Oriental systems, the Moon is frequently more important than the Sun.
When people figure out their "sign" (in the West), that literally means where their sun was stationed in the Western zodiac. If you ask an Indian what his/her sign is, they will refer to their Moon or their rising sign (Ascendant). The same goes for Tibet.

I read the story a few days ago, I'm not worried about it, I've always been on the line between Gemini and Cancer, so depending on what I was reading it I was considered one or the other. Everyone that knows me, knows I'm a Gemini, for better or worse. The article says I'm a taurus, which doesn't fit me at all.

Many years ago I had someone do a full chart, a few charts actually. I don't put any stock in it really, but it was definitely interesting, and parts of it were pretty informative and insightful, it too told me I was definitely a Gemini.

Born October 16.

Now this says I am a Virgo.

Frack that! I am staying a Libra forever!

The characterizations in Western signs - easy to count even if you are drunk at a party - happen to be true, that is partly why Western astrology is still popular.
Nevertheless, I think any good astrologer will use a system of all the planets and in the cases of Indians, even planetary periods and sub-charts. You never work with only one piece of info, that is a parlor game and not serious astrology.
A simple characterization can be derived from WA.
Therefore, you ARE the sign you always believed you were, even though the zodiac may be elsewhere. This is how astrology works. I would place your Sun in a different quarter because I use the sidereal zodiac (which means "according to the stars" and "not only according to the Sun's path parallelisms," I might add.
However, you CAN rely upon those parallelisms.
The point is, in serious astrology one truth does not exclude the other. One is scientifically based but closer to number mysticism and tradition, while the other (the Western tropical path) is bult upon a SOLAR analogy.
Western astrology is more solar-dominant, as Western society's values are more male-dominant.

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UPDATE

Has Your Horoscope Changed?

By Claudine Zap Fans of the Zodiac have been bombarded with the unsettling news that their astrological sign may not be what they thought. The horror of switching from Gemini to Taurus had people rushing to the Web for answers, sending searches for "zodiac signs" into the stratosphere. So has your sign changed? Probably not. But it all depends on what kind of astrology you follow. Let us explain. It may come as a surprise that there are different branches of astrology. A main Eastern form, for example, called Sidereal astrology, looks to the background stars, those famous constellations, as its guide. Western astrology -- which uses the zodiac -- has its signs fixed to the seasons. Most Westerners, and all those horoscope pages we eagerly check, go by the zodiac. These signs follow what early astrologers called star signs, whose reference points are the tropics that form a ring around the earth. The zodiac is based on our relationship to the sun, not the stars. The back story: About 2,000 years ago, the astrological signs and the astronomical ones were the same. But not anymore. The locations of the signs are based on the sun's location on the first day of spring. That location in the sky has slowly drifted westward because of something called "precession" -- the earth continually wobbles (a scientific term for a slight motion) every 26,000 years. Since the constellations were first identified, they have shifted some 30 degrees. Translation: The signs have slipped about a month westward, relative to the stars. What this means to you: If you follow astrology that is linked to the constellations, your sign would go from say, a Gemini to a Taurus. You could even have a 13th sign, Ophiuchus, which you may have read about. "It's a huge point of confusion for the public," says Bing Quock, assistant director of Morrison Planetarium at the California Academy of Sciences. For those who follow Western astrology, "astrologers are not talking about the constellations at all. When an astrologer says the sun is in a certain sign, they're talking about the sign, the location relative to the equinox. They're not talking about the location of the constellations. " In short, if you follow the Sidereal astrology, the Eastern branch, your sign may have shifted. (And most likely, no surprise to you at all: This news is hundreds of years old). But for the rest of us, our horoscope, and our signs, are still the same.

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you people are must not be very bright if you think you can change the stars to stay the same sign you thought you were.

this really is old news.

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I'm an Aries and plan to stick with it, although sometimes maybe it would be good to be otherwise? I'm pretty sure that is what I truly am, though. Thanks for the new info, I like it.

And if my zodiac thingy is off, that means what to me? (scratching head .. ???) ( ... ... seriously ... do I have to now check a differentt box on some government form or what ? )

I don't believe in the zodiac. I'm a Leo, we are much too proud to believe in such things. At least I thought I was.

Duh, they're supposed to put the next day for each sign as it goes on, but they've decided to use the same day for the next sign too, are they stupid? Feb 16th for the end of Capricorn but also the beginning of Aquarius, etc. So what does someone born Feb 16th do then? Clowns. My sign just makes it on the right day, but it's also the last day of the previous sign, so I'm two then I guess?

Just checked the comments too. 6 days for Scorpio? It says : Scorpio: Nov. 23-Nov. 29

When one looks up at the zodiac constellations, one does not see e.g. a water bearer, a crab, a centaur/archer etc. But, one sees stars. The zodiac signs are aspects of human nature projected and programmed onto the zodiac signs. (It's much like with e.g. a silicon chip.) The sun signs have lagged behind a few signs, but the original programming still remains at those positions. This also shows humanity's (in general) bad habit of clinging to the past too much - resisting the flow of the universe.

It isn't like your horoscope actually means anything. The only reason that people think that their horoscope fits them is because they probably read it every damn day and it gets in their subconscious.