Lebanon government likely to fall today... Confirmed : will fall today

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Oh for pete's sake.....Hariri was asassinated by Hizbollah with help of Syrian intelligence. Thats a fact and it can't be disputed.

Yeah if it was sooooooo clear... why do they even need an investigation.

IDF troops on alert following collapse of Lebanon government

Israeli forces 'carefully' following developments after Hezbollah resignation, fearing violence may spill southward; however, no reserves called up or units reshuffled.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Oh for pete's sake.....Hariri was asassinated by Hizbollah with help of Syrian intelligence. Thats a fact and it can't be disputed.

Cool. Proof would be nice..
I await the links.

Well ain't that nice :

12:05pm Israeli warplanes overflew Baalbek, Nabatiyeh and Marjayoun.

If any other country was doing that to any other country, it would be war. But eh, since it's Israel... all is fine.

What about UNIFIL mans up and shoot the bastards down?

Abdullah says March 8 not yet decided on new PM

He told LBCI television that naming a new candidate for the premiership is part of the MPs’ consultations with President Michel Sleiman.

“The opposition will surely meet in the next four days.”

The March 8 coalition has informed Sleiman that Prime Minister Saad Hariri “will not return in any way to the premiership,” Al-Akhbar newspaper reported on Thursday.

Well should be interesting who they name.

Hajjar warns against replacing Hariri

“We in the Future Movement and the March 14 coalition do not see anyone except Saad Hariri [as a candidate for prime minister],” Hajjar told New TV.

“The coming days will show us who has the majority [in the parliament].”

Father and son running the country for how long? Is Lebanon a democracy or a monarchy?

Perhaps if any of you kept up with what was going on months before Hariri's asassination and every week thereafter to the present you would have alot more knowledge on the case.

There's plenty of information via Google but you'll have to go right back to days before and days after the incident.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
Perhaps if any of you kept up with what was going on months before Hariri's asassination and every week thereafter to the present you would have alot more knowledge on the case.

There's plenty of information via Google but you'll have to go right back to days before and days after the incident.

So is that your PROOF ??

reply to post by backinblack


Go do your own homework. I've been watching this case and the UN investigation into Hariri's asassination since day one.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by backinblack

 

Go do your own homework. I've been watching this case and the UN investigation into Hariri's asassination since day one.

No, you do your homework..
I'm Australian and know for a FACT that Israel forged OUR passports on anther assasination..
It was in the news and is FACT..

Why would anyone trust Israel??
Even many Jews do NOT trust Israel...

This UN "investigation" is nothing more than a deliberate destabilising measure to break up the Lebanese government and any coalition involving Hezbollah.

Remember to always look at who benefits from any event - that almost always points to the real culprit or intent.
After Hariri's assassination, before the remaining body parts were even cold, the US and Israel had launched into the fray blaming Syria outright. The result? Syria, whilst claiming innocence, and probably rightfully so, was forced to pull it's forces out of Lebanon due to the backlash. Soon after, Israel launched it's attack against Lebanon, the intent being to drive up to the Litani river, securing much needed land and a large fresh water source.
Unfortunately for them, the Lebanese forces (including Hezbollah, which is after all a Lebanese defence militia) didn't roll over as the Israelis expected and forced a withdrawal. Israel is itching for another go as it needs the land and, more importantly, fresh water sources.
So, after unsuccessfully blaming Syria and failing to capitalise on the engineered situation, they have to change tack. Hence the shift in blame for Hariri's assassination being the work of Hezbollah. A simple destabilising game designed to cause as much internal strife as possible in the hope that another attack will not be met with such an organised resistance as last time. I also wonder if we'll see another little manufactured event used for a border incursion like they did last time around!

reply to post by backinblack


Well, you are not a very informed Australian on Middle East affairs....that's understandable coming from somebody who has no connection to that part of the world.

In regards to the asassination of a well known infamous Hamas terrorist; what the bloody hell has that got to do with Hariri's asassination?

If Hizbollah is innocent then they have nothing to worry about by fronting up to the UN Investigation Committee in to Hariri's asassination, right? RIGHT?

Are you even aware of how many Lebanese (mainly Christian) politicians have been asassinated by Hizbollah? Hizbollah has constantly harrassed, threatened and murdered many Christians and those among the Lebanese Military as well as destroying and looting their homes for YEARS!

The reason why Hariri was asassinated was because he demanded Syria leave Lebanon. My strong guess is you have absolutely no idea who George Hawi and Kamal Jumblatt are; they were also anti-Syrian and they too were asassinated...amongst many others.

So don't tell me you know it all, you know NOTHING and you really don't know what the hell you are talking about!!!

My advice to you my friend....

stick to what you DO know!

reply to post by Britguy


And as for you....my guess is you are not aware of the close friendship between Hariri and Ariel Sharon; their vision for the two nations, a future peace treaty between Lebanon and Israel, as well as plans they had for the Middle East which other Middle Eastern leaders jumped on board - that included Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, UAE and other small regional nations.

The plan would'nt had gone down too well with Syria, Iran and Hizbollah.

12:17pm MP Mohammed Raad: The opposition will name a personality with a history of national resistance to head the new government.

I wonder who it will be.

reply to post by Vitchilo


The Presidency is allocated only to a Muslim and the PMship can only be held by a Christian. Thats Law in Lebanon.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

The Presidency is allocated only to a Muslim and the PMship can only be held by a Christian. Thats Law in Lebanon.

For real? What kind of twisted thing is that? I bet it's because of the civil war and all the factions in the country...

IMO that's still messed up...

National Bloc: Has Aoun become Hezbollah’s mouthpiece?

“Has Aoun become Hezbollah’s spokesperson who defends [the party] domestically and internationally? And for what cause?” the statement asked.

“Will the next step [of the March 8 coalition] be to depose President Michel Sleiman and fulfill Aoun’s wishes [by making him] president?”

The National Bloc said that the March 8 ministers’ Wednesday resignation “leads to the unknown,” adding that their actions “will have only negative repercussions on the citizens and the economy.”

“Hezbollah and March 8 want the other party to submit to their will.”

Aoun could be the next PM then...

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Britguy

 

And as for you....my guess is you are not aware of the close friendship between Hariri and Ariel Sharon; their vision for the two nations, a future peace treaty between Lebanon and Israel, as well as plans they had for the Middle East which other Middle Eastern leaders jumped on board - that included Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, UAE and other small regional nations.

The plan would'nt had gone down too well with Syria, Iran and Hizbollah.

Like I said though... look at the events, the assassinations and the subsequent fallouts. WHO BENEFITS?

Israel talks about peace all the time, it's all for PR as their actions clearly betray any intended move towards any peaceful settlements or bargaining for what it wants, Their mentality says they can and should just take it.

When Israel has an openly stated policy of targeted assassinations, outside of it's own, as yet undeclared, borders, then it's not a stretch to think that perhaps they may be responsible for the Hariri assassination? After all, it's they do. It's what they have been proven to do time and time again. The Attack on the USS Liberty, the Lavon affair, to name just two - the targeted killing of others to bring about a planned outcome in their favour.

Hezbollah, in this instance, just gets the blame because it's politically expedient to do so. It's a farce though and everyone wih any modicum of common sense can see through it and see that it's clearly just BS to push an agenda in Israels favour, using the UN (like Jerusalem, occupied territory) as the vehicle to push that agenda. If the UN wants to be taken seriously, they would be enforcing the long list of resolutions against Israel and sanctioning them for the murders they commit, just as any other nation would be held accountable. By not doing so they delegitimise themselves and any UN investigation or action must be taken as politically motivated, rather than any attempt to do good, uphold the law or get to the truth.

Once again you are in a hurry to accuse Israel without having a clue of the real facts. It's a habit for you I noticed.

Resolution 1701 ring any bell?

en.wikipedia.org...

There is a special section in the above link, just for you, discussing Hezbulla's violations.
Buffer zone – no, disarmament – no, kidnapped soldiers – no.
Not only was Hizbulla not disarmed and removed from the buffer zone, but it has tripled its numbers in both combatants and rocket / guided missiles. The weaponry supply is increasing thanks to Iran and Syria.

So, if Israel keeps using reconnaissance flight over the sky of Lebanon, it is definitely for a very good reason.

reply to post by Britguy


You've done no homework. Hizbollah, PLO and now Hamas & Fatah have never asassinated one single person? Right? Not one single person anywhere in the world? Never hijacked any passenger airline, never murdered any Israeli sportsmen at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games, don't use human shields of innocent people (especially their own including women, children and those with disabilities), have never sent suicide bombers to blow up Israeli buses, pizza restaurants etc full of people scattering pieces of their bodies for miles, never kidnapped and brutally lynched and murdered soldiers, never took teenagers - cut them and rolled them in salt then chopped them up and threw their bodies in rubbish dumpsters.....

and of course they had absolutely nothing to do with training of Chechnyans who took little children hostage (Belsan School in 2004) and murdered almost all of them and they did'nt show them how to make bomb belts re Moscow Metro bombings and of course had nothing to do with London's suicide bombers or train Islamic militants that blew up restaurants/nightclubs in Bali or trained Pakistanis to murder re Mumbai, 9/11...etc; the list is so long but of course you think it would'nt happen to you, your family, your friends...you better pray you are right, RIGHT?

then you whinge and whine about Mossad and CIA hunting down these cold blooded terrorists so that we get to live another day, a month, a year and so on so we can be with our loved ones.....???

You have alot to say in the comfort of your own home on your computers like arm chair warriors whining about afew fake passports of good men and women who make it just that tiny bit safer for all of us!

reply to post by bluemirage5


You seem to be blaming Hezbollah in your post for just about any and every act of violence or terrorism in the last century. Is this perhaps because, well, they are NOT Jewish?

Violence begets violence. If Israel had not started it all with their land grab, we might not be seeing the death and destruction ongoing there today... don't ya think?

Many Israelis, their leadership and religious leaders seem to have this idea that they have some divine right to do whatever they want, anytime, anywhere and we should all just accept it. Well, in the real world these actions have consequences and I for one will never bow to their self imposed and delusional superiority. I'll call a spade a spade and call it how I see it, using context and historical events.... not just the here and now and very biased one-sided sources!

Originally posted by gravitational
Once again you are in a hurry to accuse Israel without having a clue of the real facts. It's a habit for you I noticed.

Resolution 1701 ring any bell?

en.wikipedia.org...

There is a special section in the above link, just for you, discussing Hezbulla's violations.
Buffer zone – no, disarmament – no, kidnapped soldiers – no.
Not only was Hizbulla not disarmed and removed from the buffer zone, but it has tripled its numbers in both combatants and rocket / guided missiles. The weaponry supply is increasing thanks to Iran and Syria.

So, if Israel keeps using reconnaissance flight over the sky of Lebanon, it is definitely for a very good reason.

Answer this: why should Hezbollah disarm? That was only added because the Israelis, softened through years of murdering unarmed people, suddenly had to go up against people who shot back and wouldn't back down and give up their land.

Kidnapped soldiers? Well that's always been a bit of pure conjecture, hasn't it! Of course, it was spun that they were kidnapped, rather than them being captured on the wrong side of the border. So, very likley another staged event set up to kick off that nasty little episode.

With Israel wanting more land and clean water, is it really any wonder that the Lebanese and Hezbollah militia have built up their weapons stockpiles? Faced with the constant threat of aggression and land theft, wouldn't you want to be armed and fight to prevent the theft of what is yours and killing of friends and family. Remember, Israel, the self declared state, has yet to officially declare it's borders - there is a reason for that.

Sorry, the "Israel is a victim" line just doesn't cut it in the face of reality and unbiased non-corporate reporting of what is going on.

reply to post by Britguy


So in your words, Jewish blood is inferior to non-Jewish blood so it's ok to murder Jews?

Jews have been the most persecuted of all people throughout the ages. When there's a Recession, everybody blames the Jews. When there's a Depression, everybody persecutes the Jews. When there's a Great Depression, people murder Jews while others watch on or turn their backs. Thats the way of the world; thats how it's always been.

Putting that aside.....

Explain Arab Muslim terrorist attacks on New York, London, Bali, Russia, Mumbai, Spain, Germany, France, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan.

Do you have any explaination of hijacking of international passenger airlines?

Are you aware that all these terrorists are trained in Iran, Syria, Lebanon (Hizbollah) & Pakistan? These terrorist groups don't separate Jews from non-Jews. GOT IT? Now which part of that don't you understand?

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Britguy

 

So in your words, Jewish blood is inferior to non-Jewish blood so it's ok to murder Jews?

Where did I say that? What I did say was that many see themselves as being above everyone else, quite the opposite of what you think I said.

Jews have been the most persecuted of all people throughout the ages. When there's a Recession, everybody blames the Jews. When there's a Depression, everybody persecutes the Jews. When there's a Great Depression, people murder Jews while others watch on or turn their backs. Thats the way of the world; thats how it's always been.

That's a bit overblown don't you think? Their perceived persecution may be of their own doing though. They do seem to have had a long history of trying to take over through banking and plain gouging...perhaps through history there have been times when the people have had enough... hence the backlash.

Putting that aside.....

Explain Arab Muslim terrorist attacks on New York, London, Bali, Russia, Mumbai, Spain, Germany, France, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan.

Do you have any explaination of hijacking of international passenger airlines?

Are you aware that all these terrorists are trained in Iran, Syria, Lebanon (Hizbollah) & Pakistan? These terrorist groups don't separate Jews from non-Jews. GOT IT? Now which part of that don't you understand?

Perhaps there is a reason for the above? Would it perhaps be the Israeli, and western governments in general, invading, killing, stealing and propping up oppressive governments that so inflamed the Middle East against Israelis and westerners in general? Try a little context for a change instead of just seeing the here and now and ignoring the historical context that has led to the current circumstances.