Newbies ruining ATS

I am very new here and have seen a few threads posted about newbies destroying ATS. I realize I probably should not comment for fear of being turned to ash or being run out on a rail.

But....

These threads made me stop and wonder why people hated the newbies so much. We are accused (lumped together) of bringing down the iq level here, flooding the boards with useless comments, etc. I've no doubt that this is true in certain cases. I do not believe it is the majority of new people that do this though. Many boards have the old timers/new timers syndrome.

New people bring new ideas and viewpoints. Everyone may not post exactly what everyone else always wants to read. And if newbies bring up topics that have been hashed out a few times before then people can choose to read it or not, but it does atleast keep the ideas alive and well. Who knows... maybe a newbie will come in one day with info/proof that nobody has ever seen before. If it pertains to a topic that has beaten to death, all the better I would think.

Folks bringing in fresh ideas and excitement to ATS will keep this place from turning into nothing more than an encyclopedia. It is what makes ATS so interesting to so many. The facts that can be found here are staggering. I think people should post facts, but I also enjoy hearing the opinions as well. Who would want to come here and find every post exclaiming the exact same thingthat everyone else believed? How would we ever learn how others percieve things?

We all have different posting styles, and varying levels of humor. How many newbies read anti newbie threads and wonder if they are the ones that are being "called out" for their ignorance?

I know I will be torn a new one for this. I also know my contributions here probably fall in the line of what the older members hate. I just wanted to say that some newbies try to fit in, they read anti-newbie threads and feel they are not welcome. You never know if one of them could be a huge asset or not.

Everyone's perception of reality is different. We should keep that in mind. And as I said in an earlier thread...

We may not all agree with one another, but we should all stand up for another's right to express their opinion.

Let the torching begin. Pick on my posting style, grammar, my mother, etc. It is worth it just to post it. I will love it here and stay regardless.

obviously people that have just joined or whatever are going to feel a different urgency then the people who have been sitting back on here for years, so if those oldies are gonna have a whinge about newbies maybe just look at the current world and the old people who are at the top of different sectors and how they need to be weeded out and how they need to get new ideas or fuel...

It's a conspiracy website and there's a lot of paranoia ie new people must be disinfo agents.

Honestly, some people probably spend way too much time here and that is the root of the problem in my eyes.

With the events in Tuscon, there's probably going to be more change/flaming

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe


Actually I have been floating around ATS for about seven or eight years, in one manner or another, and the "ATS is not what it used to be" threads have always been a part of the landscape. There is a sort of a natural progression, I think, which causes this. People sign up, get a feel for the site, learn to recognize a good number of posters, and start to feel settled in. But then a few of the older posters disappear, for a variety of reasons, and new voices join the din. Since we, as a species, don't much like change, well, the reaction from some folks is to assume that ATS has suffered, rather than understanding that these changes are all part of the natural rhythm here.

Also there seems to be a lack of understanding that, while most trolls are n00bs, not all n00bs are trolls. It's easy for people to generalize - especially during periods when school is out - as this is when we suffer the most noticeable outbreaks of bad behavior from recently created accounts.

Personally I don't much pay attention to join dates. I, instead, read what is said by any poster and then form my opinions.

~Heff

I don't think new folks are messin' up ATS... in fact, I think it arrogant of the "old timers" to somehow look down on newbies.

I find it amusing and charming sometimes that a newbie discovers a "new" idea that many had seized upon some years before.

Kinda' like you first joint, and ya realize that the Solar System might just be an atom in the cell of a larger being in a much larger universe.... cool like that.

Plus...always good to get a new perspective....welcome newbies.

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe

I am also new here buddy and wouldnt like to be treat like that, theres an old english saying which i think is appropriate : painting the kettle black .
In my time (and im 41) ive known a lot of people who have been stereotyped for numerous reasons...ie beliefs,methods and so-forth.

In all honesty so-far here i have recieved a overwhelming welcome by the ATS members and as of yet havent
recieved any of the issues i wouldve probably got on any other site for being a "NEWBIE".
You have a valid point my friend and i totally agree with your thoughts on this but in all the time ive spent looking and watching ATS before joining have rarely seen any nasty comments thrown towards us "newbies" bro.
In my opinion buddy we all have to start somewhere, and even the elder members here were once newbs.
So regarding the mentality of the members to date i would state as being very wise and resectful.

Me for one am enjoying the experience and i suggest buddy u do to even though your concerns are valid i sincerely hope your stay here will be very satisfying and me for one will definately not be shooting you
welcome to ATS buddy i hope we can talk more.

respect and regards :kayak (karl)

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe


Kanga, can I call you Kanga?

I have seen the same things here, and have seen some of your posts as well.
Dont fret I dont think anyone is talking about your contributions when they rail on newbies, i am fairly new myself.
Ive been registere here for less than a year, active less than that, but have been reading for years. The newbies in question are the large majority that show up for a few days, make outlandish comments in threads, then disappear forever. They probably come back with different user names because they forget their passwords and the trend starts again.

There is also the problem of a newbie simply not knowing how the site works, what stuff has been recycled time and time again, etc.

I recommend to all newbies, myself included, to reach as much as possible and utilize the search function before ever starting a new thread!

Kind regards...

eets like a circle, not a square

reply to post by questcequecest


Good point. It is exciting when someone finds ATS. Especially if they can't really have these types of discussions in their real life. I speak from experience...

Maybe the site should ban new members and try to be like the government and suppress free speech and open forums

OK. lest ruin this thread, like a noob. -

Lately, Israel have taken delivery of a Gulfstream G5 (maybe a G650), with a fully radio-control capability. It is reported to have an opaque windshield. - Was it for testing purposes ?...

It takes no real imagination to see it as a nuclear weapon delivery vehicle, or for any false flag op.

..how is that for a noob?

reply to post by Hefficide


The troll idea makes some sense. Maybe some have experienced newbies as trolls too many times and have an automatic distrust. I am not sure.

I really tuned in on the "change" thing though. You couldn't be more right. I am not partial to change myself, so I can somewhat understand that a bit better.

ps... I absolutely love your avatar. If it were gir I would steal it!

I too am a noob with only a couple of posts. I have found mostly nothing but good manners and respectfull discourse here. It can be intimidating at first but the effort is well worth it. The general level of debate is usually quite high and informative There is a wealth of knowledge on this board and it is well and fairly modulated. Its like any other grouping in as much as there are always going to be the 'stick in the muds' but I would offer you nothing but encouragement in your endeavors. There are differences of perception to be had here.

enjoy

reply to post by satron


I have seen a lot of things on here about disinfo agents. I suppose I need to look at the proper definition for this since it keeps popping up.

reply to post by kayak


I thoroughly enjoy myself here, and have been treated really kindly as well. I was speaking of threads "generalizing" newbies bringing ats down.

Everyone so far has been great. I have read great things. I'm in for the long haul regardless because the good on this site far outweighs the negative IMO.

reply to post by Lysergic


Eeees that like a jalepeno on a steeek?

reply to post by youdidntseeme


You can call me Kanga or Kanga, either is fine.


I agree with your entire post and you gave good advice. You aren't a newbie because I already recognize your avatar. We will just both keep on keeping on and after a while neither of us will be considered newbies.

Thanks

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe


Well, most ats members respect everyone's input based on merit and not join date, post count, and any other metric ... it's just that we don't go around saying it. So it would be a shame if you were to feel slighted based on the misguided priorities of a vocal few.

Now, any other 'feelings' you wish to discuss?

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe
Noob here too.

I wouldn't worry about it at all.
It really doesn't matter what the group is that you join as a new member, a new country, a workplace, a school, website, social club, sporting club, it appears it is human nature to form mental groups within groups.
'Us' that have been here since... and 'those' new people, "who do they think they are?".

It can make settling into a new environment a little challenging, but as you suggested yourself, it is mostly polite and civil discussion that goes on in the threads.
It won't be too long and you will be an 'old' member as well, perhaps then you'll get a sense of why the generalising about Newbies ruining things occurs.
~ Namaste

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Well, sometimes if I drag my foot along the asphalt while riding it"feels" like it hurts quite a lot. What do you suggest?

I am teasing. I have never been one to let what others think impede me from doing anything. At this stage in my life I don't see that changing. Hence my comment about staying regardless.

It just kind of chapped my arse, and others my indeed let it affect them to the point of leaving.

I am glad everyone doesn't share their views. Thank you.