His friends described the killer as a "Left Wing nutjob"

I say this not to be political but to prove a point. Everyone on the left is trying to blame the Tea Party when the fact is killers like this have opinions and beliefs that are all over the place. You can't pin point his political views.

One of his favorite books was the Communist Manifesto, he was anti semetic and maybe even an atheist. These are things that you don't associate with the Tea Party but followers of Noam Chomsky.

Should we say atheist or people who read the Communist Manifesto are responsible for this? No so the left needs to stop trying to blame the Tea Party.

The left praised Julian Assange when he exposed the Government, was he influenced by Assange?

Everyone is quick to blame the Tea Party but what about the left and the Wiki Leak anti government stance?

The Congresswoman was in the center when it came to politics. What if we find out he had pictures and writings of Assange all over the place? What will the left say then?

So this guy was delusional and the left or the right isn't to blame. Politics have always been heated since day 1 and this nut shouldn't stop the debate over these important issues.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


All ammunition to be sent down-range... at YOU and your rights and your way of life.
Ignore the propaganda. What ever happened to being held accountable.

“You don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste; it’s an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid.” – Rahm Emanuel

No not at all, but this story will only be centered around his false mental state and it will then expand into radicalism existing in the US. Implications of actions and external influences are never taken into consideration. Just look at Bradley Manning. Rather than report anything important about the docs or him or his position or how the docs could have been leaked or if he was even the real perpetrator, they focused on his gay tendencies and said he came from a disgruntled past. They focused on the areas that incite emotional reaction rather than rational. This will be the same. I can already see it is. Of course, you try at all to see beyond the murder, then someone will shout in your face "he killed a 9 year old" and if you don't stop there and try to see beyond the murder of a 9 year old you might as well be the murderer himself. In all reality, I think this guy was certainly right wing, but that has nothing to do with the murders. Constitutionalists like him are beyond parties. They are above right.

reply to post by asperetty


There's a difference between being a stanch defender of the Constitution and a freaking mass-murdering Paranoid Schizophrenic like Jared.

Originally posted by igigi
reply to post by Matrix Rising

 

All ammunition to be sent down-range... at YOU and your rights and your way of life.
Ignore the propaganda. What ever happened to being held accountable.

“You don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste; it’s an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid.” – Rahm Emanuel

It's what I've been saying since day one.
Personal responsibility.
He pulled the trigger. Not Keith Olbermann, not Sarah Palin.

reply to post by asperetty


There's no evidence that he was right wing. His friend called him left wing. The fact is you can make a case that he was a left wing nutjob easily.

The fact is he had a lot of views that fall in line with the left and the right, so you can't say he was either.

reply to post by asperetty


What evidence do you have to support the belief that he was right wing?

Because allowing Right and Left to divide us while the Federal Gov't boldly anesthetize our rights is smart.

The man was DISTURBED. His view-points and opinions are invalid, to me, because of that.

Read his posts. He was a numerologist and ... very obviously off-kilt.

From all I've heard, this guy had no friends. Acquaintances, perhaps, but no real friends. So I pose the question, what evidence have his "friends" presented to prove this guy had any political leanings at all? Looking over his post history here on ATS, it appears to me that he steered clear of the political forums, focusing mostly on NASA.

He seems to be a conspiracy minded nutjob; which last time I looked, is not monopolized by the left or the right.

reply to post by igigi


Exactly, but the left will try to blame the Tea Party because they blame the Tea Party for them losing so badly in the last election.

So of course they will say calm down the rhetoric and they will try to blame the Tea Party when this guy can easily be painted as a left wing nut. So neither party is too blame.

reply to post by beezzer


Just that he constantly refers to the constitution and personal freedom in his own vids. Id say he's even libertarian.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


Actually, both parties are to blame. It's this false sense of Left and Right-[side of the argument! rwawrw!]
People need to wake up and realise that we have a ONE party system: the system that, no matter what, will always try to appropriate more and more of our rights and wealth.

reply to post by Aggie Man



Actually you are right. he himself admitted he had no political leanings but that people would try to paint him as either red or blue.

His "friends" seem obviously clueless. Here's a screen shot of his AZ voter registration info.


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Look, we all know how "leftist" and "liberal" are commonly used as insults these days.

Perhaps these "friends" labeled him "liberal" and "leftist" because he was far too radical for their flavor of conservatism - and they simply couldn't come up with anything better to use as a label.

reply to post by negativenihil


I agree, he's far more of a Libertarian/Constitutionalist than a establishment Dem/Repub.
We all know they're going to try and use this tragedy to promote and stoke agenda..

reply to post by negativenihil


Registered republican doesn't really mean much friend. I would be interested to know WHEN he registered. Maybe he is like me and only registered to vote RP in the primaries.

Originally posted by asperetty
reply to post by beezzer

 

Just that he constantly refers to the constitution and personal freedom in his own vids. Id say he's even libertarian.

So refering to the Constitution and wanting personl freedom is right wing? I thought everyone wanted personal freedom. And from what I saw, he was slamming the Constitution, not lauding it.

reply to post by beezzer


Nononononononono.
no.
There is much much more out there than just RIGHT and LEFT.

You can be on any side/any combination of ideals.. Hell, you could be an ULTRA-left Libertarian that's opposed to Amendments 9 and 10... if that's your DOGMA.

Originally posted by negativenihil
His "friends" seem obviously clueless. Here's a screen shot of his AZ voter registration info.




Look, we all know how "leftist" and "liberal" are commonly used as insults these days.

Perhaps these "friends" labeled him "liberal" and "leftist" because he was far too radical for their flavor of conservatism - and they simply couldn't come up with anything better to use as a label.

edit on 10-1-2011 by negativenihil because: (no reason given)

Wow. I'm more conservative than Reagan and I'm a registered "Independent". Nice find, however.

Originally posted by igigi
reply to post by beezzer

 

Nononononononono.
no.
There is much much more out there than just RIGHT and LEFT.

You can be on any side/any combination of ideals.. Hell, you could be an ULTRA-left Libertarian that's opposed to Amendments 9 and 10... if that's your DOGMA.

Truth. I'm a gun-toting conservative, but a registered Indy, only because the republicans are weak.

Just my opinion.