We are already in a police state. Just released from jail in NYC. HEAR ME OUT!

1) if you were arrested, they told you what for.
2) strip search not that unusual, especially on a probable cause arrest, felony or gross miss.
3) cop telling you..."i was just messing with you for the comment..." no way. They would just mess with you and leave it like that.
4) if you were arrested and they didn't mirandize you, your legal aid help will be more than enough.
5) if you mouthed off to cop, and didn't get open handed...you were lucky.
6) do not skip town if you have a court date...(did you say you got arrested on a Sat.?...they let you go on a Sun.?...I must have read that wrong.
7) if you don't know what you are charged with and you had your first appearance then....sorry no chance.
8) if you don't have bail, don't have a court date, don't know what you are charged with...then it sounds like you don't have an issue.
9) another poster gave you suggestion on how to handle any future "encounters" with the police...that poster was spot on. Be polite...shut up until you speak with attorney.

((((edit....You were released on a Sunday!?....My guess is now this....they got you on just a minor thing...checked to see if there was more to it....there wasn't anything so, they just booked you....and let you go....not really procedure but you might have volunteered for everything so they never had to formally arrest you...
.....

reply to post by seeashrink


A typical response from an instrument of the elite!

Reading comprehension isn't your strongest suit is it, but then again, as of late, the LEA's have been reducing their requirements to get into the force. His question posed was about the iris scanners, not about his drug possession. Further, the OP already acknowledged his " misdeeds " with the drug possession.

Try reading is posed question, then come back and talk to us.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


I had the personal experience, I was in Miami for New Years… Never in my life did I ever see so many cops… Our group of people consisted of around 20 people… not to lie at least half of us were stopped once… some twice… lol

Thanks to jetblue we had to drive to Miami… but that’s another topic for discussion…

To OP, concerning law in NY… don’t look for the truth… you will never find it… majority of officers are cocky, arrogant and corrupted individuals who were abused and bullied in schools and now using their employment for payback and respect… and trust me the last thing they do is their job… I was attacked in elevator as a girl (I think I was 14) intent was rape… I was lucky and was able to get away only with bruises on my face and ripped undergarments… however, during the police interview in precinct and at home were the worse… besides that the wait and questions as well as the tones they used, I think I felt more violated and abused that the actual attack… they were laughing at me and I overheard few officers talking about my appearance and why they would let me change or cover up (excuse was to take pictures of bruises)… I will never ever forget… EVER… now ask me did they ever catch the guy?

I would recommend getting someone who recently out of law school, working as DA, they not as corrupt and willing to work…

reply to post by seeashrink


You say your a cop and yet you suggest that the Miranda rights are not required to be read? Yeah, troll much?

The police must advise suspects of their "Miranda Rights" - their right to remain silent, their right to an attorney, and the right to an appointed attorney if they are unable to afford counsel - prior to conducting a custodial interrogation. If a suspect is not in police custody (i.e., "under arrest"), the police do not have to warn him of his rights.

reply to post by stigup


i had as similar experience in nyc. life long resident also - when i was 20 i was "arrested" for protesting at the legalization for marijuana parade. they never read me my rights but kept me locked up for 48 hours, no phone call to my lawyer, nothing. that was my only run in with the law - the feeling of having your freedom taken away from you by some jerk off pig made me sick.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by seeashrink

 

You say your a cop and yet you suggest that the Miranda rights are not required to be read? Yeah, troll much?

The police must advise suspects of their "Miranda Rights" - their right to remain silent, their right to an attorney, and the right to an appointed attorney if they are unable to afford counsel - prior to conducting a custodial interrogation. If a suspect is not in police custody (i.e., "under arrest"), the police do not have to warn him of his rights.

I think you need to read a little closer. I don't recall the op providing any evidence that he was "arrested" Being told what you are arrested for would be a good clue.
seeashrink pointed out, correctly, that if he was not arrested, no Miranda required.

My husband and I with the blessing of our chief... and his participation of him and others... had made a "crime stoppers" type org on our dime and with a hotline by phone and anonymous internet tipline. Our area is really exploding with crime. Well, things went as expected at first and then we started getting a HUGE amount of reports of corruption within the sheriff's dept and city police. We started logging names of these officers and cross referencing them with other info. Now... after being blind sided by a complete avalanche of truth.. I am completely impartial not working with nor against the local police but with the Chief for some of it and the states atty and a defense atty. One of the detectives in our area and 3 of the officers are working with us.. and on the down low. There are GOOD officers. They are people just like you and I.

I hear a LOT of these kinds of complaints very similar to the OP.. they are NOT valid. The innocent people who are railroaded or their rights are violated are not served well by people like OP crying innocent.. when in fact, he is not. He is NOT a part of this segment of citizens who's rights are completely thrown in the trash. The OP takes away from the seriousness of these other cases. These other cases are where YOUR rights will be decided. OP did the crime.. and must go through the hoops. He deserves no get out of jail free card or sympathy for having been caught doing what he knew was wrong. If we start lumping in the guilty and deserving with these other cases.. these other cases lose their strength. In turn YOU lose your rights.

Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by stigup

 

"I saw that thread briefly and it seems that we have no rights anymore. They didn't even read me my Miranda rights. They typically weren't wearing uniforms because they were narcs, but I have seen swat teams and how they have military type gear, masks, etc. I have noticed that almost everyone in there is fed up with the justice system and how the cops don't even make real cases. Theres at least 8 million people in NYC most likely more I know no amount of force could stop even 1 million people."

There are no requirements for your miranda rights to be read. If they asked you questions before they arrested you, it is called a non-custodial interview=no rights warning. After they arrested you, they did not need to ask you any questions=no need for miranda rights.
Seeashrink
Of course the enforcers don't know what discretion is,can spell it,or have any idea that they no longer have the option of excersizing it.

We need something besides petty criminals with badges and zero true knowledge here.

Good luck,most are brain damaged ex-military.

Yeah,combat is a good place to learn morals and disretion..(sarcasm).

edit on 10-1-2011 by seeashrink because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Heyyyy...welcome to ats where opinions are offered in a freelance forum, open to all types of interpretation. The iris scanner consisted of three or four sentences of his intire post. Sounds like you just focused on those two or three sentences. So much for reading conprehension. His post was a rant on several topics. I comment on what I want to comment on just as you did. By the way, next time you need an "instrument of the elite" call a druggie, or better yet, the OP.
Seeashrink

Originally posted by tonypazzohome
reply to post by stigup

 

i had as similar experience in nyc. life long resident also - when i was 20 i was "arrested" for protesting at the legalization for marijuana parade. they never read me my rights but kept me locked up for 48 hours, no phone call to my lawyer, nothing. that was my only run in with the law - the feeling of having your freedom taken away from you by some jerk off pig made me sick.

...What you should have done...though risky...is asked, "am I under arrest?" at that point they either say yes, and go through the process and probably be pissy with you...or say no...and kick you to the curb.
....if I was in the same spot...I would choose not to fight that battle...just not worth the headache...unless they did something worth suing for.

reply to post by Res Ipsa


Um, last time I checked, when you spend the evening in jail, that usually means you've been arrested. Especially when charges are placed against you. Now if the guy was detained, there would have been no charges. So no, I highly doubt these cops graciously gave him a ride downtown, put charges of intent to sell, then through him into a cell for the fun of it.

reply to post by stigup



You did a couple of things wrong. First and foremost, and most obvious is getting caught. After that, you have "no rights" in the system.

Second, you spoke. Never say anything to the cops unless your answering a question. When answering questions, stick with yes or no. Don't be a smart ass.

Never discuss what your are being arrested for. Once the cuffs go on, they are not coming off till you get in a cell. Once arrested in NYC expect minimum 24 hrs before seeing a judge. So what ever you say is most likely going to screw yourself, so it's best just to keep quiet. They will lie to you and tell you all kinds of BS to get you to admit to anything.

If it's a simple possession charge, don't waste your time, worries or money looking for a lawyer if you cant afford one. If you haven't been in trouble in a long time, you'll probably get an: A fine, or an ACD or dismissal. (ACD - if you don't have any police contact in the next 6 or 12 mnths (dependent on judge) they will throw it out.)

Public Defenders, they are a joke. They really don't give a muck, get your charges, do some research and be prepared when you talk to them. As with all professions, there are some that do care. It's a racket so don't piss them off they can get you screwed.
Overall from what you describe, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

The shock and amazement you describe, I've dealt with all my adult life dealing with the police system. People have been screaming about the injustice for decades, but because of who was screaming nobody paid attention. Now that the system, tried and true, tuned and oiled, has expanded it's horizons, ignorant of color or creed, it is the "new" outrage. The "new" Police State. People like Malcolm and Martin were warning you of what was to be. It is as it has been and will continue to be.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


OK, quit watching CSI and learn the law. Comment about what you know to be fact, not the word on the street or what you saw on whatever it is you watch. Don't let your hatred of my profession reveal you personal ignorance. It's so unbecoming.
Seeashrink

Do your homework and come back and talk to me. Otherwise, you just look stupid.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

Um, last time I checked, when you spend the evening in jail, that usually means you've been arrested. Especially when charges are placed against you. Now if the guy was detained, there would have been no charges. So no, I highly doubt these cops graciously gave him a ride downtown, put charges of intent to sell, then through him into a cell for the fun of it.

You can be detained for questioning without arrest in every state in the US with no charges.

Get the hell out of NY asap! I grew up in Brooklyn and it was hell then and I can only imagine it's gotten worse. We moved to the Heartland 8 years ago and I am so thankful to be away from the pigs and criminals. It's going to get crazy there. I still have friends and family there and I worry because of what is coming down.

Good luck with your case. As soon as you resolve it, leave the city.

reply to post by seeashrink


Take note of page one from the Op :

Anyways what do you guys think about the iris scanner? Is it just one step closer to being totalitarian?

Also:

will DNA sampling be a part of the process along next to the iris scanner?

With that said, the posed questions were the above. Not whether or not his possession charge was " made up".

many psters are using this quote as their basis of argument:

First off I made a comment that one black officer didn't like

We don't know if it was a racial slur or something, could have been something just calling out the LEO behavior?

Fact still remains, the officers actions were not becoming of an officer, based on what info has been given to us.

You may want to re-read the questions posed at the end of the OP rant.

reply to post by Advantage


I already acknowledged that? Re-read above posts.

reply to post by Whereweheaded



"As they are searching through my belongings I watch them throw out my paraphernalia and at that point I already knew they were going to try and say I had the intent to sell when they damn knew it was personal use."

...where do you see that he was being charged with intent to sell? All I see is that the OP is minding reading what the cops are going to do.
...and I understand you think so little of cops, but are they really going to "throw out my paraphernalia.." if they intended to...uh...maybe need some evidence against the OP?

reply to post by GirlGenius


brooklyn is now filled with independent thinkers and intellectuals. its a great place to live -

reply to post by Whereweheaded



LMAO!!! Getting called names, racist or otherwise, is a job description within LE.. I doubt the cop got his widdle feelings too injured. That wasnt even a factor in what Im saying.

Iris scanners and DNA? Dont get arrested or detained.. youll have no problems. Im more concerned about REAL cases of injustice than a guy who did something illegal and then whines about getting busted for it. Im also ALL FOR dna and scans for criminals. DNA dtabases have helped solve many crimes and stopped many criminals that otherwise would have went on to murder or rape with impunity. If a person is truly innocent.. they should not have these things in a database.. and those particular people are the only ones I advocate for. If you ask for trouble and cry about it later.. I personally have no sympathy.