NWO: NEW Gun Control Bill, page 2

WTFover

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:12 PM

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Then how do you explain this post, wherein you said

I'm not saying she's at fault for what happened - as in, she meant any harm by it...

Newbomb Turk

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:21 PM

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Again...here is another opportunity for me to post what I had posted in one of the other AZ Shooter threads as I too saw this coming. I plan on being up most of the night emailing EVERY freaking congress rep that I can (including John Baoehner sp??) and remind them of our 2nd AMENDMENT!! (which shouldn't be too far from their mind right now considering that they JUST read the entire constitution the other day!). We need to tell them that it is now QUITE OBVIOUS as to what the NWO is attempting to accomplish right now!!

PEOPLE NOW IS THE TIME TO STAND UP!! THEM GOING AFTER OUR GUNS IS THE FINAL STEP AND WILL BE THE FINAL NAIL IN OUR COFFIN IF THEY SUCCEED!! At the speed and pace that they have been stepping things up the last 6 months THIS IS IT GUYS!!

Oh boy here we go When....when will the ignorant people in society realize that guns don't kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!! Trust me people we do NOT want to go down this road. Yes I believe what happened not only in my home state, but my HOME TOWN (the shooting occurred just on the other side of town approx 8 miles away) was VERY UNFORTUNATE and tragedy of the utmost highest proportions, and NEVER should have happened. I will add that unlike probably many when I first heard the news break regarding the shooting instead of immediately thinking that more gun control laws/restrictions are needed, the immediate thought came to my mind that had someone else....some LAW ABIDING CITIZEN been armed in that room that day, this would have never accelerated to the point that it did and would have turned out very different (for the better IMO). Realize that should you simply let your emotions...emotions at the moment when they are most high (like right now) and allow them to control you and scream for gun bans, more laws, tighter restriction/regulations you will be accomplishing nothing but striping away privileges from those of us that carry firearms RESPONSIBLY. Because remember...criminals or people that shouldn't own a firearm care not by any laws regarding them, they will get them in order to ultimately carry out what they had intended in the first place. Basically this is nothing more than the NWO pitting us against each other so that in the end the less guns Americans own, the easier it will be to mop up the place in the end. And when that time comes trust me...you will be thankful for that kind neighbor who just so happens to be a gun enthusiast and armed to the teeth when he says to your family "Come with us I will offer protection" or whatever of the many scenarios you feel like. So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not let this kind of news/story have the affect (that TPTB are BANKING ON) that will do nothing but benefit the power/control structure of that organization. Tell me how many times have you already heard "The ONLY reasons TPTB have not moved completely and already taken America? It is because the number of gun owners and registered guns in this country that's the deterrent. They KNOW what they would be up against" So please I ask you....let us not make it that much easier for them and look at this tragedy as nothing more but a mentally deranged individual that should have been intercepted WAY BEFORE it ever came to this. Thank you NT

WJjeeper

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:31 PM

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MAYBE IF SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CROWD HAD A GUN nothing more than a couple of shots would have been fired. Gun Control my ASS, this is just another powerplay to make the civilians of the US weak.

Mastermook

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:36 PM

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The Democrats are politically exploiting the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords by attacking Sarah Palin for setting up a list of "targeted" Democrat members of Congress last year. They conveniently forget that defeated Democrat Congressman Harry Mitchell did the same thing to JD Hayworth a few years ago right here in Arizona, running a campaign ad featuring JD Hayworth in the crosshairs of a rifle.
www.intellectualconservative.com...

I think we need a fresh start from both sides. Politics are tiresome.

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Actually, lets just scrap the whole thing, and get a new party in there. Someone who can balance the two extremes.

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ShadowMaster

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:39 PM

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I actually wanted to post this in the other thread that was closed. This is a knee jerk reaction based on evidence that is not all in. I happen to own the same Glock model that was used in this crime, it would have made no difference with a smaller mag over a larger one. As a Gun Shop owner---everyone that legally purchases a firearm from a store in the USA must fill out a Form 4473 which has a background check through NICS or the State depending on how the system is setup. Tracing isnt an issue since a store has 24 hours to comply with an order from the ATF and they have access to your store regardless in the case of an emergency. As the seller, I do not have to sell someone a firearm if I believe that they are going to use it in a crime or if I believe it is a straw buy.

Making it harder for Legal Owners to buy is not the problem. The problem is that medical records and the ATF are not connected, but again, the medical records need to be complete. In this nutjob's case, his school should have contacted the police for a medical hold-then there would have been a record. There is a host of failures here, but they do not lie on the hands of the law abiding. Only on the criminal's and this is what this person is. If you want a better law, make crimes that use firearms more intense, with higher penalties.

My personal opinion, is after this guy is tried he should spend time in the same cell that Timmy McVeigh had at SuperMax and then execute him.

GENERAL EYES

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 11:01 PM

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What I am trying to clarify is that I don't believe it was a premeditated decision on her part and it was an unfortunate conincidence but I'm talking more about the mental state of people who MAY connect-the-dots in the wake of various political conflicts.

There is no evidence to support the shooter EVEN SAW (or was even influenced by said graphic), but you can also not deny that he MAY HAVE.

This isn't about any political agenda for me whatsoever. I'm sorry if you take it as such.

It's more about how an innocuous image/proposal of state law/immigration policies/etc in the hands of some can be a trigger to act out violent impulses when someone isn't satisfied with the result....case in point - how I'm being attacked for what some THINK I'm "getting at" based on my intial choice of words.

How is one form of aggression any more tolerable than another?

If people continue to get so riled up over percieved intent to the point of lashing out over what could be no more than a hasty misinterpretation - well, I will really start fearing for all of our futures.

I hope this clarifies....

Mastermook

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 11:13 PM

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Alex Jones for example. He's a pretty good fear monger.

GENERAL EYES

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 11:24 PM

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Oh heck yeah, understatement!

I'm really hoping the new law takes such things into consideration - what for most of us is just entertainment, some folks can be overly sensitive to...who knows, maybe there's a change we can come together again as a country without imaginary boundaries between people and factions of government.

It's gonna take all of us on the same page to make this thing work....Republicans, Democrats, Civilians, (insert your personal preference of group/organization here).

When rampant finger pointing leads to a single firearm being aimed and fired at a result of internal conflicts - it's time for a MASSIVE reconsideration of the General Order of Business.

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R3KR

posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 11:40 PM

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No guns needed...
www.globalissues.org...

This is all political BS, they use this opportunity to pull on heart strings of America to get VOTES and yes it is that simple. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR SAFETY.

Scary that some people cant figure this out on their own.
IF they really gave a damn about helping and saving people, they would forfeit a large amount of their salaries to feeding the hungry. Do they ? What do you think.

Ellen15

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:05 AM

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ATS Members against "gun control" and feel "freedom of speech will be threaten" now

Why not contact your House Representative and your Senator, why not surround yourself with citizens in your area and lobby your concerns and speak out about this as a collective to your House Representative and Senator who represents you

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ATS Members who support "gun control" and feel "freedom of speech in the political arena should be held with upmost responsibility; code and conduct

Why not contact your House Representative and your Senator, why not surround yourself with citizens in your area and lobby support for "gun control" and 'responsible speech by politicans' as a collective to your House Representative and Senator who represents you

xstealth

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:06 AM

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Oh gun control is the worst thing that could happen to this country. It would allow criminals and corrupt officials to run wild.

Look how great gun control works in Mexico....

bismos

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:36 AM

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too bad im not a good little boy. looks like ill be dropping guns like a burner cell.

DontTreadOnMe

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 08:09 AM

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I believe in the Constitution and, obviously, the Second Amendment.

I wonder at the motives of introducing a gun bill now, when emotions run so high.
After all the incidents involving mass shooting over the years, we wait until a politician is severely injured? As if the other victims mean less?
Politicans are no more important than you or I.

And, gun control will not stop those who wish to perform illegal acts.
It will only hurt law-abiding citizens.

WTFover

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:33 AM

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The problem with blindly throwing out assumptions (such as the ones claiming Palin's website imagery was in any way connected to the shooting) is that it produces ignorant, baseless legislation like what was exposed in the OP.

Rep. Brady was interviewed about the reasoning behind his legislation. His only answer was that he didn't want to see the same thing happen again. And, he repeated it ad nauseum, without ever providing evidence the "targets" or "crosshairs" had played a part in the attacks. Of course, no one wants to see such a tragedy, but to jump to a conclusion, such as he has, is ignorant and ineffective.

By the logic being used, by many including Rep. Brady, one could say we need legislation banning blonde hair. Ms. Giffords has blonde hair and that could possibly be what triggered her assailant. Or, it's been said the shooter was "obsessed" with "mind control". Maybe we need legislation banning Jesse Ventura, due to his public obsession with "mind control". He shouldn't be allowed to spew his theories on government sanctioned "mind control" on television and radio.

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WTFover

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:41 AM

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Absolutely and that is why Brady's legislation will never see the light of day. He has no evidence to support his reasoning and leapt at the chance to attack conservatives, without stopping to consider his own party has used the same tactics.

He's like the tattle-tale in grade school, who runs his mouth and subjects the whole class to punishment. He will be finding himself friendless in a world where "friends" are a valuable commodity.

Lemon.Fresh

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:45 AM

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Ahhhh. Political correctness. One of the downfalls of the free world.

When will someone be responsible for their own actions? Why is it always someone else's fault?

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WTFover

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
When will someone be responsible for their own actions? Why is it always someone else's fault?

That, my friend, is the $64,000 question. This country has become a nation of whiners and finger pointers. Personal responsibility is lost, I am afraid.

The only person with culpability in this case is the shooter. He is the one who pulled the trigger. Not Palin. Not her website manager or host. Not Glock. Not the ammunition manufacturer. Not the gun dealer. Not the automaker (assuming of course he drove to the event).

NthOther

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by vor78

I expect the GOP will stand firm on this one. Gun rights are perhaps their strongest domestic issue, and should they cede that to the Democrats, they could easily find themselves in minority party status for a generation. With a solid House majority, plus a few gun rights supporters in the Dem ranks, it seems highly unlikely that a major gun ban could make it through the House of Representatives right now.

I wouldn't count on it. If there's anything we should know about politicians, it is that the preservation of their own power is of the utmost concern, and takes precedence over everything else. This incident (and I'm not condoning it in any way) has many elected officials, Democrats and Republicans alike, undoubtedly shaking in their designer shoes. I'm skeptical that they would place our liberties above their own protection, or at least what they perceive to provide some form of protection for themselves (i.e. gun control and free speech restrictions).

Nonetheless, this will indeed be a test of whether or not the so-called "tea party" candidates will stand true to their campaign promises of defending the 1st & 2nd amendments. I, for one, am not holding my breath--they're still politicians.

GENERAL EYES

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:53 PM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

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So you enjoy the entertainment spectacle that some modern politicians use to champion their causes?

I still stick by my "guns" on this issue. There is no need for any political party or representative (or sovergeign citizen over the age of 9) to feel the need to use violent imagery in any way shape or form whatsoever to get their perspective and policital opinion heard and championed - especially not Officials) - that is my opinion regardless of whether or not it's implicated or even speculated to be a motive for the attack.

To do so is only buying into the subcretanic mentality of human beings who don't like working their brains because it provides to great a challenge...and that effects people over long periods of time, devolving their higher reasoning abilities to a point where empassioned action without higher thought becomes the routine.

I'm tired of the political bi-partisanship HYSTERIA that is affecting so many people online.

I've never claimed to be a perfect, pure model of an exemplary human being. I know damn well I am not.
But at least I still strive for a higher, non-animalistic based methodology to conflict resolution.

Some people don't care about the minor details, others obsess.

As for the mind control issue, I'm curious if you're even aware of how such constant bombardment of negative imagery, wording, actions, slader, bias etc can affect some people...whether it be grabbing a gun and making a horrible decision because of a feeling of helplessness or just turning a discussion forum into an all out warzone.

I'm tired of passions and fear overriding sensible and pragmatic action.

My stance remains on the issue, I can neither see how a new insight into workable measures for safer gun control or limitations on violent visual imagery in relation to members of the governing body can harm our country.

This whole event is nothing more than a catalyst to RE-ASSESS our core values and move forward to where attempted murders of Public Servants does not become an issue.

If you love your guns and free speech to the point you are willing to turn every aspect of your life (words are weapons sharper than knives) in accordance with a brutish, uncivil, barbarian mentality - so have it.

I choose not. I'm not perfect by any means, but I'm at least trying for a higher standard of civil behavior.

( And please, don't get me started further on the subject of Mind Control - there are plenty of other threads for that....or my U2U is open if you so desire, but I won't take this tread off topic any further on that aspect.)

Good day Sir.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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WTFover

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
...I'm tired of passions and fear overriding sensible and pragmatic action...

So you say. Yet, passions and fear are exactly what is driving your stance, as well as that of Ms. McCarthy and Mr. Brady.

On Saturday, there were over 300 million alive and well in the U.S., who were possibly exposed to the so-called "negative imagery", being pointed out as a contributing factor in this case. Yet, one man committed this senseless act of violence.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, this is about an agenda. And, by buying into the rhetoric, you are advancing that agenda.