Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Vegetarianism and how it's all part of the NWO plan

Listening to a Watt/Jones interview today, it was implied that vegetarians/vegans are docile, weaker and essentially less intelligent than their omnivorous counterparts. They furthermore discuss how vegetarianism has been part of the overall NWO agenda all along.

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And they have said that we should stop eating red meat. Now what's the Royal Society doing telling us to stop eating red meat? You see. Until you tie it in with their agenda, because we find that H.G. Wells in his book, Utopia, and he was an earlier member of the same organizations. He said the world we'll bring in will be vegetarian. Completely vegetarian worldwide. You find the same thing in Toffler's book, Alvin Toffler, the big Futurist, the pal of Newt Gingrich, who gave out his book to every Congressman in the U.S. and it's called The Third Wave. And in it he says, the world we shall bring in will be vegetarian and it must be so. He doesn't say why. So, right down to what we eat, vegetarian, diet and all the rest of it, it's all planned for us. And under saving the environment, they're going to force us off protein.

Believe you me. Because, why protein? When you look at India, and these guys use histories, very ancient histories, and recent and modern histories as well, to the full. And they always have historians on board and philosophers, you'll find in the top think tanks. India has been ruled basically by Brahmans, the Brahman caste for thousands of years. And the most easy people to get to obey you, they're kind of sluggish in certain ways and so on, are people who are malnourished on a very minimal diet. I'm talking about a full vegetarian diet here. Once they're in charge of your food, you'll find that even the vegetables will become restricted and restricted, until you're missing out on vital Amino Acids and so on, but you're very compliant, you're not too bright, you do what you're told, you certainly will never rebel. And that's the technique, that's why they want to bring in the vegetarian world.

My questions to the ATS community:

1) Do you believe that our species at it's apex (if we reach it) will be vegetarian or vegan or will we always see fit to feed on the species we share the planet with?

2) Do you believe that vegetarians or vegans are more docile, weaker or intellectually inferior to their flesh/dairy/egg eating counterparts?

3) Do you believe that Jones is correct in stating that the NWO is counting on such diets to better control the populace or is he simply latching on to everything and anything to do with global utopian theories as conspiratorial evils?

You're opinions and facts are welcome.

Since I do not have the medical facts on hand to prove what is actually best for a human's diet, I cannot make a call on that. In my uneducated opinion I think that a diet needs to be balanced with a little of both groups.

But I do think that we conspiracy buffs sometimes look into these issues too much. Unless these governments or societies force us by law to eat a certain way, I am not too worried about it.

As a side note: I don't listen to anything AJ has to say. Personal choice..

I have tried not eat meat and be vegetarian, I dont think it made me stupid or following someone else lead.... I hunt wild game and love to feed my family with home grown eggs, milk, home made butter, (deer, elk, moose steaks), sssssoooooooo many vital componets of healthy budy are in theses products. As for conspiracy theory. I dont know what to say...

I think it is possible for sure,

I have chosen my life style long time ago and NWO or who ever have to have a gun to make me eaqt only vegies, but even in that case I have means of protecting myself and my family, nabores.

Cheers!

Originally posted by rexusdiablos

1) Do you believe that our species at it's apex (if we reach it) will be vegetarian or vegan or will we always see fit to feed on the species we share the planet with?

2) Do you believe that vegetarians or vegans are more docile, weaker or intellectually inferior to their flesh/dairy/egg eating counterparts?

3) Do you believe that Jones is correct in stating that the NWO is counting on such diets to better control the populace or is he simply latching on to everything and anything to do with global utopian theories as conspiratorial evils?

You're opinions and facts are welcome.

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edit on 9/1/2011 by rexusdiablos because: (no reason given)

1. God never intended for us to eat other animals. However when sin entered the world so did carnivorism. (sp?). It's sad that we have to eat animals, but it's a cold hard fact of this cruel world. Should we just stop eating animals though? No, unless you want to extinct the human species. It's also sad that so many babies die every year. But does this mean we should all just stop having sex too? (sarcasm)

2. hahah yes they are, sometimes i go to vegetarian diet forums because i am a health nut. and i lurk around, often I see some nasty pictures of them with the whole ribs popping out deal.. i don't know why anyone would -want- to look like that... i prefer my salad whipped in bacon grease with a fatty slice of veil. Mmmm i can hear my tummy saying "FEED ME!"

3. Pass- I don't know much about the NWO but I do know a lot about nutrition.

Have you ever seen that movie scott pilgrim vs the world? that movie kind of sums up my views on veaganism.

***While vegetarian & veaganism isn't the healthiest diet, it is 1,000 times better than the standard American diet of high fructose corn syrup and bread.


*EDIT* i must say this - please don't waste my time with a rebuttal if you are a vegetarian or veagan. I have done years worth of research and tested it myself. I have argued with so many veggie eaters on so many kinds of food forums and I'm so sick of talking about it. Eat what you want I don't care.

Oh wow... This is just crazy.

1. No
2. No
3. No

Lack of protein? I don't think so... most vegetarians get more protein than people who consume meat because they're actually conscious of what they're putting in their body. I don't label myself a vegetarian but I've spent most of my life on a vegetarian/vegan diet. I have all my proteins, my HDL/LDL and triglyceride are Perfect and every year my doctor doesn't believe how perfect everything is.

Except for this year since I've reintroduced meat in my diet. Sure it tastes great but it's not worth feeling like crap all the time, the weight gain, and the cholesterol.

Now I'm not trying to convince anyone to become a vegetarian, I'm just defending vegetarianism from this kind of horrible propaganda. If America wants to kill their people they'll keep feeding people big macs, baconators and triple bypass burgers.

AJ has been bought out by the beef industry. This is not true and complete ignorance.

Well if you bring the Monsanto and GMO foods into the equation, then they might want us all vegetarians at some point so they can feed us all those fruit and vegetables that have been manipulated and therefore depopulate the planet that much faster.
Just a thought....

Originally posted by rexusdiablos

1) Do you believe that our species at it's apex (if we reach it) will be vegetarian or vegan or will we always see fit to feed on the species we share the planet with?

2) Do you believe that vegetarians or vegans are more docile, weaker or intellectually inferior to their flesh/dairy/egg eating counterparts?

3) Do you believe that Jones is correct in stating that the NWO is counting on such diets to better control the populace or is he simply latching on to everything and anything to do with global utopian theories as conspiratorial evils?

1) Humans will always remain omnivorous.
2) vegitarians tend to be more docile but not less intelligent
3) Jones is right that the NWO want to control the food we eat, they make us docile through other means however like fluoride and TV

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Unless these governments or societies force us by law to eat a certain way, I am not too worried about it.

I agree that imaginations can run wild but in this case, have you not heard of Codex Alimentarius?

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
As a side note: I don't listen to anything AJ has to say. Personal choice..

I take everything with a pinch of salt. He's become increasingly more sensationalist but I don't mind using infowars for intermittent alternative news.

Originally posted by xxxcosta
I hunt wild game and love to feed my family with home grown eggs, milk, home made butter, (deer, elk, moose steaks)

That's more respectable than factory farmed food or the beef-burger advocate who thinks large quantities of processed meat makes him a primitive blood thirsty male. Yes, believe it or not this has been argued to me in the past more than once.

The only way I could see such diets being enforced is through artificial scarcity.

Originally posted by freedish
Should we just stop eating animals though? No, unless you want to extinct the human species.

That's the silliest thing I've heard in while. About 80-90% of the grain produced in America is fed to livestock for meat production. By globally transitioning to a vegetarian/vegan diet that 80-90% could go a long way toward remedying world hunger.

How on earth are you concluding that our species would become extinct by augmenting our diets in such a manner?

Originally posted by freedish
2. hahah yes they are, sometimes i go to vegetarian diet forums because i am a health nut. and i lurk around, often I see some nasty pictures of them with the whole ribs popping out deal.. i don't know why anyone would -want- to look like that... i prefer my salad whipped in bacon grease with a fatty slice of veil. Mmmm i can hear my tummy saying "FEED ME!"

Wow, it's refreshing to know that ignorance, stereotyping and old wives tales are alive and well on ATS:
www.veganbodybuilding.com...

Keep up the good work!

Originally posted by freedish
Have you ever seen that movie scott pilgrim vs the world? that movie kind of sums up my views on veaganism.

Which part? The part that all Vegans have psychic abilities, died blond hair and are governed by a Vegan Police?

Originally posted by freedish
*EDIT* i must say this - please don't waste my time with a rebuttal if you are a vegetarian or veagan. I have done years worth of research and tested it myself. I have argued with so many veggie eaters on so many kinds of food forums and I'm so sick of talking about it. Eat what you want I don't care.

edit on 9-1-2011 by freedish because: don't argue with me!

It's a discussion forum, buddy. Covering your ears and singing "la la la" isn't the definition of a discussion. Delete your post if you genuinely don't want a rebuttal. You could have just addressed the conspiracy theory. You didn't.

What you're really saying is "don't respond unless you agree with me".

Originally posted by Cocasinpry
Oh wow... This is just crazy.

1. No
2. No
3. No

[...]

Now I'm not trying to convince anyone to become a vegetarian, I'm just defending vegetarianism from this kind of horrible propaganda. If America wants to kill their people they'll keep feeding people big macs, baconators and triple bypass burgers.

I agree that it's akin to propaganda or at the very least quackery and yes, processed meat is a killer. Question 3 was a yes or no answer but I gather what you probably meant to answer.

Originally posted by antar
AJ has been bought out by the beef industry.

I wouldn't be surprised. Is that an opinion or have you seen it suggested elsewhere?

Originally posted by antar
This is not true and complete ignorance.

Agreed though I worry about the lazy vegetarian/vegan and the long term risk of neurodegenerative diseases.

Originally posted by Flighty
Well if you bring the Monsanto and GMO foods into the equation, then they might want us all vegetarians at some point so they can feed us all those fruit and vegetables that have been manipulated and therefore depopulate the planet that much faster.
Just a thought....

Indeed, it seems to make a hell of a lot of sense from the GMO perspective given our dependency and the level of exclusive control they would have to further malnourish us.

Originally posted by munkey66
1) Humans will always remain omnivorous.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by munkey66
2) vegitarians tend to be more docile but not less intelligent

Fair enough.

Originally posted by munkey66
3) Jones is right that the NWO want to control the food we eat, they make us docile through other means however like fluoride and TV

Agreed.

Originally posted by rexusdiablos

My questions to the ATS community:

1) Do you believe that our species at it's apex (if we reach it) will be vegetarian or vegan or will we always see fit to feed on the species we share the planet with?

2) Do you believe that vegetarians or vegans are more docile, weaker or intellectually inferior to their flesh/dairy/egg eating counterparts?

3) Do you believe that Jones is correct in stating that the NWO is counting on such diets to better control the populace or is he simply latching on to everything and anything to do with global utopian theories as conspiratorial evils?

You're opinions and facts are welcome.

edit on 9/1/2011 by rexusdiablos because: (no reason given)

edit on 9/1/2011 by rexusdiablos because: (no reason given)

1. I believe we will probably move toward "synthetic" meats. Meats that are literally grown in a dish.

2. Docile? No, I met a Vegan woman who was in anger management. I can't buy that. Most people I meet who are vegans/vegetarians tend to be more intelligent that the average eater I know. I figure this isn't because of the diet, rather the diet is due to their intelligence.

3. Jones seems to be a fearful man who is is afraid of everyone who lives differently than he does. There probably is control over what we eat, but I think it's to make us unhealthy..eating burgers and all that processed crap.

The meat we eat at the fast food restaurants, or buy from the store is often tampered with. I mean that they feed livestock hormones that have as yet unknown consequence for long term human consumption. They even genetically alter life cycles to speed up the growth, and enable faster development for quicker slaughter. Yes there are gmo fruits, but if your vegan your probably not eating them. I am unfamiliar with any scientific study on the impact of meat on iq, or other health issues. That being said, I am highly skeptical of jones. He means well, but often cries wolf at any sound. It is a shame because half the time the wolf is there. He discredits himself in many eyes by his sensationalism. Maybe if I saw some peer reviewed studies, but otherwise I am doubtful. Your best chance to stay healthy, intelligent, and productive is grow your own food or livestock.

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When I studied the Tibetan healing arts, I picked up that meat can help to ground energy, yet it can also lend a very masculine side to a persons energyfield as well, which is the more aggressive side.

Now there are some who for no reason because of either upbringing, choice or intense empathy, cannot eat meat, so they can use other plant based properties that represent flesh but are not against their nature.

I had a friend who was quite the martial arts instructor as well as many other talents, that felt he had to eat meat or else he would leave his body. So with that in mind it is possible meat can keep people from ascending.

2) Do you believe that vegetarians or vegans are more docile, weaker or intellectually inferior to their flesh/dairy/egg eating counterparts?

Scientific Study/Report would be great

Otherwise all you have is a bunch of opinionated replies (opinions are fine, however without backing of a scientific medical report, are just that, opinions!)

Someone in here claimed that vegetarian/vegan diet is not the healthiest diet compared to ???

Would love to see a report (not an article/editorial peice) backing that statement ....EVIDENCE please?

Do you believe that Jones is correct in stating that the NWO is counting on such diets to better control the populace or is he simply latching on to everything and anything to do with global utopian theories as conspiratorial evils?

Evidence of this would be great, otherwise its just speculation, assumption, heresay

Deny Ignorance - > one could start by jumping on the UN website or WHO website

I'm vegetarian for 20+ years. Not strict vegetarian - I eat and really enjoy meet IF I know the source. I do not want to eat stressed, hormone&antibiotics pumped animals - that is all.