project Monarch and Jared Lee Loughner

I have been going over the post of this psycho on different sites. He seems totally off the wall. That being said, I tried to make some connection to something. So I made a list of Things I noticed. Its a long list so I only included those that are relevant. First read through THIS.
Its is a overview of the project Monarch program. Everything in quotes below is from this site.

A few of the internal images predominately seen by victims/survivors are:
1.trees
2.the Cabalistic "Tree of Life," with adjoining root systems
3.infinity loops
4.ancient symbols and letters
5.spider webs
6.mirrors or glass shattering
7.masks
8.castles
9.mazes
10.demons/monsters/aliens
11.sea shells
12.butterflies
13.snakes
14.ribbons
15.bows
16.flowers
17.hour glasses
18.clocks
19.robots
20.chain-of-command diagrams
21.schematics of computer circuitry boards

Looking over his profile HERE You can see the use of chain of command diagrams, stick figures the constant use of infinity and other things.

Also what is wierd is his logic. It is actually from Carrolls paradox. Looking at Project monarch linked above the use of alice in wonderland is a main theme in mind control programming.

Programming is updated periodically and reinforced through visual, auditory and written mediums. Some of the first programming themes included the Wizard of Oz and Alice and Wonderland, both heavily saturated with occultic symbolism.

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I don't know what to make of this I am not an expert on this subject. Anyone better educated on this please chime in.

Been reading the first link.. It is so disjointed as to be gibberish in most paragraphs.
Any chance you know of a better written source?

reply to post by lordtyp0
Go to google and type in mk ultra/ project monarch - the sources and information are everywhere.

As far as the original link I provided it get better the farther down you read

reply to post by jlafleur02


Well, I have a passing familiarity with MKULTRA.. That article though just reeks of wrongness. It has too many buzz words and links into it. Smells like a bunch of random things stitched together.

I also find it suspicious that every book he liked was linked with the subject in various ways from popular fiction to reported accounts.

Seems sort of like it was a setup-trying to become a legend/martyr to me.

Well, it appears he may have had a "handler" too.

Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

CNN

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Well, it appears he may have had a "handler" too.

Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

CNN

Yeah I know. There are many things that raise questions. You couldn't make this stuff up. or could you?

It's interesting that his youtube account is recent.... "Joined:October 25, 2010"

His uploads are all within the past 3-4 weeks.

I have a feeling someone led him to do this, sort of like how the FBI keep creating home-grown terrorists..

It may very well be the "second suspect". I doubt we'll ever know who he is.

And most likely, this Jared guy is going to get killed in prison so we'll never hear the truth from him, or he's so crazy that there will be no understanding what he says.

Early Sunday morning, the sheriff's office released a surveillance camera photo of a male between 40 and 50 years old who is "possibly associated with the suspect." The dark-haired man was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket, and was seen at the location where the shooting occurred.

They haven't said why they think this guy is also a "person of interest". The only thing I've heard about him, is that he was someone in the store.
I hope they're sure about this guy, because now the news anchors are speculating about him driving Jared there, or supplying the gun, or teaching him to shoot.
With all the speculation, what if he's an innocent bystander, shopping? He might have just been there, and in no way related to the shooter.
The US media does this all the time to people, they should wait until they know more, before possibly destroying this guy's life.

If someone here knows more about this guy, or more about what the news thinks they know, please fill us in. It's quite possible I've missed why they think this guy is also a suspect.

He wanted to join the armed forces. They claim to have turned him down but there is the possibility they found him a "mission."

We really need someone who is an expert in Logic/Calculus to translate what he is trying to get across in his Youtube and ATS ramblings.

I have a feeling there is a deeper message to this than meets the eye.

I have been reading all of the threads and his posts and every single person is dismissing him as crazy when he is essentially speaking another language.

People who grasp logic/calculus are usually very intelligent people, hense why someone who can is needed, sadly this person is not me.

Originally posted by RyandeaN
We really need someone who is an expert in Logic/Calculus to translate what he is trying to get across in his Youtube and ATS ramblings.

People who grasp logic/calculus are usually very intelligent people, hense why someone who can is needed, sadly this person is not me.

You have called,
and synchronously I have arrived.

I have a feeling there is a deeper message to this than meets the eye.

I have been reading all of the threads and his posts and every single person is dismissing him as crazy when he is essentially speaking another language.

Lol he's simply speaking a more formal version English.

Axiom, Evidence, Conclusion.


Exhibit 0: The Target(s)

Main target was Gabrielle Giffords,
Gabriel is the name of an angel important in Islam,
for satanic Illuminati, it's an appealing target, killing angels, their nemesis.
The angel symbolism is reinforced by her husband being an astronaut or star traveler.

a warm and benevolent person that liked sharing,
wanted to reduce the amount of money government workers got.
For the usual greedy politico people that love power and money that's a threat.
Even Sarah Palin put her on a list of targeted peoples.

Secondary target was the little 9 year old girl,
in youth obsessed America childrens lives are highly valued.
So the moral outrage and anger would cloud many peoples judgement.

In his introductory video there was a whole page dedicated to 8 year old girl.

I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive
minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter
and pronunciation,

from "Introduction: Jared Loughner"

interestingly enough the girl that was shot also had some scholastic award.
she was brought there by a neighbour to show the award to Gabrielle.
Also her name is Christina (christ) Taylor and was born on 9/11 2001
firedoglake.com...

So the Illuminati got to kill Christ,
and mortally wound Gabriel.
*props* woot woot,
I bet the're celebrating.

well maybe not,
Gabriel didn't die!
*shock* *discomfort* *wonder*

The bible has mentioned a similar event.
Using most updated bible, being most compliant with current agenda's.
Revelation 13:3

International Standard Version (©2008)
One of the beast's heads looked like it had sustained a mortal wound, but its fatal wound was healed. Rapt with amazement, the whole world followed the beast

The federal judge John Roll was another target,
though I don't know much about him,
could help motivate judges to be harsh of afraid.
As they put in practice laws made by congress.

Of course we know the federal government is involved,
as the FBI director Robert Mueller has taken charge of the investigation.
Probably to make sure people get the story they would like to be portrayed.

Exhibit 1: Weapon

A semi-automatic was used with great precision,
with only one shot, directly into the head,
followed by execution of high-priority targets.

Something difficult to achieve without the proper training,
note shooting women, children and faces takes desensitization.

Also someone was noting in this thread they may have had extended ammunition.
I'm not sure how easy it is to acquire such weapons,
though I'm sure military could easily do so.

Exhibit 2 Motivations

Lee mainly talked about currency,
made some references to language.
all fairly passive and typically third person.

there is almost 0 mention of conspiracy,
the most conspiratorial statement he's made:
"the government is implying mind control and brainwash"

he passively mentioned the constitution as a source of empowerment,
and how "revolutionaries from the revolution are in control of the land and laws"
so if anything he was supporting the way things are.

he did make a video stating that police and payed education are unconstitutional.
called "This Student At Pima Community College: An Unconstitutional Crime!"
however that's hardly conspiratorial
since conspiracies require people to get together and conspire.

Personally I think it's great they charge money and make it difficult,
it lets people more easily avoid being brainwashed by their "teachings".

when a programmer or hypnotist say no or not, they mean for you to overlook it.
as hypnotists generally believe the subconscious is unable to process no, not.
for instance video says

No! I won't pay debt with a currency not backed by gold and silver!
No! I won't trust in God!

translated:
Pay debt with a currency backed by gold and silver!
Trust in God!

Also note that ! implies an imperative statement or command,
though yes people with poor grammar see it as emphasis notation.

Basically that's telling people they should pay the bankers with gold and silver.
while trusting their fiat currency.

He did mention the word Terrorism,
but noted that it's someone that employs terror or terrorists,
saying that calling him a terrorist is Ad Hominem,
as in a distraction from the cause, merely being a symptom.
further implying that there are people controlling him.

Exhibit 3 Name

The name seems to be descriptive of the living conditions.

Jared Lee Loughner
Jarred Lee Loner

reportedly he spent much time at home,
thereby was in a jar or jarred,
he was also considered a loner.

The Lee could be the Lee Harvey Oswald reference,
Lee nautically means going or being down-wind,
representative of doing as instructed.

Exhibit 4 Currency

As we all know the bankers are experiencing some tough times nowadays.
So it's understandable their programmers and programmed peoples are musing about it.

Interesting to note that his so called "new" currencies,
are exactly the same as the current.
which are made "infinitely" or made from thin air,
and are enforced by physical means.

They might lie about the budget problem.

Create your own currency and enforce it with pride!

from "Infinite Source Of Currency!?!?"

See he's even protecting the banking friends,
saying they might be lieing about the budget problem. lol wishful thinking.

You're distributing your new currency lethally to people
or your distributing your new currency non-lethally to people

from his video "How To: Your New Currency!"

it's quite similar to America's current method of getting people to use their money,
by threatening them with overwhelming military force.

Such as how the Pentagon released plans to bomb China late december 2010

Exhibit 5 Mind Control

The first video uploaded to his channel is called "How To: Mind Controller"


The question arises, if indeed he was a mind-controller,
then would he not be mind-controlling others to do his bidding?

quote from the video

You control every — thought, action, and
lifestyle – for the person or people as the
mind controller

In other videos he mentions being hypnotized or in his word asleep and dreaming.

My favorite activity is conscious dreaming: the greatest inspiration for my
political business information

from video called "Hello"

I define sleepwalking

Thus, sleepwalking the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other,
motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

I’m a sleepwalker – that turns off the alarm clock

from "Introduction: Jared Loughner"

Also he's made references to torture

The students are attending a torture facility!

from "This Student At Pima Community College: An Unconstitutional Crime!"

I hope the gift isn't a torture technique.
This would be vehemence for a gift!

from "Why is the year infinite in the date?" on ATS

I'm pretty sure it seemed infinite to him,
since that was the end of his program,
feeling like he was in an infinite year,
made consequence of actions meaningless,
typically being in years of prison sentences,
if he's confused into believing it's all just one year...

Exhibit 6 Marijuana

piece of evidence was that he was an alleged marijuana smoker,
anyone that’s witnessed actual marijuana smokers, would be aware,
that they are generally relaxed, happy, and rather lazy,
followed by lethargic and hungry.

The only places pot smokers commit murder,
is in government propaganda from the early 1900’s.
All scientific evidence is to the contrary.

reply to post by lowki


With his name, I found the "J.L. Loughner" more significant - Jail (the) Loner.

Either way, his parents must have really thought a lot of their newborn baby.

EDIT: As to marijuana, the effects aren't limited to the smoking period - heavy use leads to desensitization, so that the user's state tends to be docile and happy to begin with, over use will eventually lead to them being normal when "high", and less docile/happy than normal people when not using.

Sometimes fast, sometimes slow, weed can give psychoses..

Originally posted by TheWill
reply to post by lowki

 

With his name, I found the "J.L. Loughner" more significant - Jail (the) Loner.

yes, granted, a plausible reason.

Either way, his parents must have really thought a lot of their newborn baby.

I'm sure they did.
though where are his parents?
haven't heard anything from them.
and he's only 22, when did he move out?

Personally I think the person is a fabrication.
Government records are verified by the government,
so if they want to fabricate something, it's fairly easy.

EDIT: As to marijuana, the effects aren't limited to the smoking period - heavy use leads to desensitization, so that the user's state tends to be docile and happy to begin with, over use will eventually lead to them being normal when "high", and less docile/happy than normal people when not using.

as in when they are withdrawing.

Sometimes fast, sometimes slow, weed can give psychoses..

Psychosis is just violent or aggressive programming.
Television and video games being the usual source.
Mental illness is something generated by city life.

As those that live in tribal or nature settings have limited or no instances.
Typically with many techniques for reintegration and reprogramming.
Shaman is a path for those with mind images and voices.

Originally posted by againuntodust
It's interesting that his youtube account is recent.... "Joined:October 25, 2010"

Wat's more interesting is Giffords. Apparently has only 2 subscriptions - one of which is Jared Lee Loughner's.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

you think the mafia is hard to get out of, imagine being involved in mkultra and changing your mind.

after nazi germany showed what governments are capable of, almost anything is possible.

reply to post by NuclearPaul


Yes, I spent a good part of the day speculating at another website. Don't think I can go through that again here

Suffice it to say that, at this point, I think it was either a bad joke or hacked-in to create the semblance of a relationship (particularly if the real target was judge Roll).

It seems clear that he went through some kind of mind control programming. He was just assigned the lawyer that defended Kaczynski and Moussaoui. There to help or assist in the cover-up?

Has anyone heard of Operation Open Eyes? Jack McLamb was going on about that on his show today.

reply to post by jlafleur02


You mention that you are looking for a better source for information on mind control technology/practice. I highly recommend this book. Note that it is written from a Christian perspective, so it can get a little wild at time.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

Now you have occult dealings added to the list.Apparently he had some kind of occult shrine in his backyard. Any information on his parents. What they did or about their past dealings.

reply to post by jlafleur02


It looks less like a shrine and more like a grouping of junk in someone's back yard.

Not many shrines have Miracle-Gro on them.