Great Pyramid of Giza.took more than 100 years to build by human means

Originally posted by standupamerica32
this is from my brother.................................................................
Just did the math for the Great Pyramid of Giza. People claim that in order to build it in the 22 years (outside estimate) in which it was supposedly built, you'd have to place a block every 9 seconds. See the truth in the comment below this status!

It was Herodotus who was told by the Egyptians that it took 22 years to build.

Your brother may not have studied the recent finds at the field which shows that the pharaohs had work crews of up to 30,000 people there. He may not be aware that Khufu's father (Sneferu) was probably the greatest pyramid builder of Egypt (he built three during a reign of 24 years) and had teams of laborers (whole families) and craftsmen who were experienced at building pyramids -- as well as things needed for the building (sledges to drag the stones, boats, and rock quarries with precut stone.) The core (as someone mentioned) is actually a rise of land and there are a smaller number of stones because of this. One estimate by Socrates Taseos (which took into account the core) said only 81 blocks of stone were needed per day... much fewer than a work crew of 30,000 is capable of doing.

Another source with some interesting details on the lives of the workers along with the math says it can be done with a smaller work crew (remember, these people were experienced at this... so by the time they'd built their 4th or 5th pyramid, they would know how to do things efficiently): www.cheops-pyramide.ch...

There are no modern Archaeologists who say it took more than around 20 years to build (the reign of one specific Pharaoh)

True, as far as I can tell.

The changed points being that we now know that the pyramid is built around a hill and so there's less than 2 million stones in it, and the quarries were in full operation by the time they started the Great Pyramid. It was built by teams of experienced workers and overseers.

One recent idea by an architect was that there are internal ramps that made the pyramid easier to build. I don't know how well this is accepted... I'm a tad skeptical but admit that I wouldn't be horribly surprised if this turned out to be correct.

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Simply put, if the Egyptians built them, how did they cut the stones with such precision?

It may not be clearly visible from the outside, but if you check any photos of the inside walls, it becomes plainly obvious that to cut these massive stones, then lay them so you cant even get a piece of papaer between the gaps in the stones, is beyond comprehension.

So what did they use to cut the stones?

The secret to the pyramids is in the geometry, forget about the "stones" for a minute and think about the actual geometry, the angles, the alignment with the earth etc.

As Graham Hancock and Robert Bouval put it, the pyramids are a "clock", and my suggestion for anybody who is interested in the giza plateau, is to read their book "Fingerprints of the Gods".

Oh and btw, I think that Hancock and Bouval were being a little careful with their wording when the speak of a
"Lost Civilisation", read the book.

Originally posted by standupamerica32
The truth is still astounding, but 9 seconds is an exaggeration.. There are 2,300,000 stone blocks in the Great Pyramid, some weighing tons. In 22 years there are roughly 11,563,200 minutes. In order to build it in 22 years, they would have...

You can claim anything you want if you first get to make up the number of blocks.

The 2.3 million number comes from calculating the pyramid as a solid geometric object and using average size for the blocks visible on the outside.

This estimate was done before it was found that the G.P. is riddled with voids between walls that are filled with mortar, sand and broken rock, and before it was known that the G.P. encloses a small natural hill that was there before they built it.

I've seen estimates of less than 800,000 stones. A computrer program once estimated even less than that, but I can't remember what the number was.

We need to keep in mind that over half the volume in thany pyramid is in the bottom one-third of the structure, an area where straight ramps on all four sides (or even two sides) provide plenty of access for hundreds of teams of workers to bring stone up.

Harte

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That image of the elephant looks like ancient Indian art ................right?

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imagine, ancient indians building the pyrimids................hmmm

Originally posted by Khaaaaaan!!
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That image of the elephant looks like ancient Indian art ................right?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a50fd1a7c73a.jpg[/atsimg]

imagine, ancient Indians building the pyrimids................hmmm

Yes, for instance, well... In any case they aint Egyptian hieroglyphs, they look like to be "burned" in the granite (Granite???)

The Egyptians, the known Ancient Egyptians, just did not built the great Pyramid. If that was the case, we would see them talk about it in their hieroglyphs. Period.
Burial Tombs? Then they would have find the mummies in the pyramids. But well, they didnt.

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C`mon, it`s WELL known by now that people who put their names out there in trying to uncover the truth Have to also put out some b.s. so that the "uninitiated" will just pass off all their work as b.s. and so the tptb will not see them as a threat... and the guy wants to make money at the same time, im sure. Some people believe it`s a sin NOT to take a sucker... Any researcher with a brain on their head will not shell out their money for info that can be found for free and we can also discern between the b.s. and the facts. Are you denying the correlation between egyptian sites and constellations? Or did you even look at the site? You just saw the name at the top and began to feel clever because you happened to read a thread that was recently posted?


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Good math but bad logic.
I can do the same.
My pool is 10,000 gallons that is 83,500 pound of water, no man could lift it (so it had to be aliens that moved it therer). In my house there is a 1 gallong jug it takes 30 seconds to fill and thrity seconds to pour out. So even IF i did it it would take me 115 days to fill up my pool IF i was fulling and pouring right by the pool 24 hours a day without stopping. Now the closest supply of fresh water is 10 miles away so for me to walk one gallon back and fourth would have taken me.... Yeah pretty much proof that aliens filled up my pool for me.

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Are you denying the correlation between egyptian sites and constellations? Or did you even look at the site? You just saw the name at the top and began to feel clever because you happened to read a thread that was recently posted?

Are you talking out of your ass? Herschel is a BS merchant and I've posted that opinion for two years.

Next time your backside wants a conversation try someone else.

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Great post, thanks. S&F

Originally posted by downunderET
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Simply put, if the Egyptians built them, how did they cut the stones with such precision?

The same way they cut precise stones for their temples and walls -- they used wedges and hammers in the same way folks did up through the time of the Romans and well into the Middle Ages. Early Egyptian stoneworkers were able to stack cylinders of rock (which are pretty difficult to make) into tall temple columns with beautiful carvings at the top. It's much harder to make a set of smooth cylinders fit together without a seam than it is to get blocks.

It may not be clearly visible from the outside, but if you check any photos of the inside walls, it becomes plainly obvious that to cut these massive stones, then lay them so you cant even get a piece of papaer between the gaps in the stones, is beyond comprehension.

The fit isn't actually that good throughout the structure. Look at some real closeups of the blocks of the exterior and you'll see that they're less precise than modern buildings. Interior blocks are well fitted -- but not unusually so for that time period. Walls aren't as tightly made, but other structures show this beautiful and precise craftsmanship.

It's a pity everyone gets so fixated on pyramids and forgets all the other things.

I have been told (and it's plausible) that they checked the levelness of the surface using water. Basically you pour a thin layer of water over the top. Look carefully for small puddles and small hills and smooth those out. As quickly as water dries on stone in Egypt, you'd be able to spot the high and low points very quickly.

Originally posted by Byrd
The fit isn't actually that good throughout the structure. Look at some real closeups of the blocks of the exterior and you'll see that they're less precise than modern buildings. Interior blocks are well fitted -- but not unusually so for that time period. Walls aren't as tightly made, but other structures show this beautiful and precise craftsmanship.

It's a pity everyone gets so fixated on pyramids and forgets all the other things.

But then again:

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How did they cut the granite in the kings chamber to get this extraordinary smooth surface on the walls and the very thigh fit?
With stone? Iron? Wood? Wind? Paper? Fire? Thoughts? They did not at all?

btw: Less precise then modern buildings? LOL You are kidding? Lets see whats causing this...
Wait, I know!
We are in modern times, and they didnt! come on.

Originally posted by Kayzar
Good math but bad logic.
I can do the same.
My pool is 10,000 gallons that is 83,500 pound of water, no man could lift it (so it had to be aliens that moved it therer). In my house there is a 1 gallong jug it takes 30 seconds to fill and thrity seconds to pour out. So even IF i did it it would take me 115 days to fill up my pool IF i was fulling and pouring right by the pool 24 hours a day without stopping. Now the closest supply of fresh water is 10 miles away so for me to walk one gallon back and fourth would have taken me.... Yeah pretty much proof that aliens filled up my pool for me.

I have seen this topic beaten for a long time here on ATS and this has to be my favorite reply thus far.

As far as the topic at hand;

There are remains of a city near the pyramid where the workers lived. There are quarries where the stones were cut from. There are other structures that show the developing techniques of the builders’ craft. With the amount of workforce and previous knowledge, they were able to accomplish this in a small period of time, 22 or so years versus the 100 years or so theory.

There are several reasons why this has not been reproduced today. Here are the top three off the top of my head.
1. Reason to reproduce. There would actually need to be purpose for the finished pyramid reproduction.
2. Workforce needed. Where are you going to get an entire workforce, let alone someone willing to pay them for a structure that would have no way to profit when finished.
3. Financial Backing. Once again you would need someone, or several people or corporations to finance the project, a project that would most likely have no good way to profit off the finished product.

Originally posted by Lunica

How did they cut the granite in the kings chamber to get this extraordinary smooth surface on the walls and the very thigh fit?

The sufaces are certainly smooth, but the fit is not as tight as you might think.

There is mortar between those stones. If you look closely, you can see it.

Hart

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How did they cut the granite in the kings chamber to get this extraordinary smooth surface on the walls and the very thigh fit? With stone? Iron? Wood? Wind? Paper? Fire? Thoughts? They did not at all?

They cut granite using slabing saws. Let's be clear that they had centuries of experience. They had a reasonably high level of mathematics (comparable to high school/college level) and knew how to use measure distances. They also polished granite using mineral sand to even out the imperfections. This is evident in the granite statuary that we see in museums. The sarcophagus/coffer in the King's Chamber has drawn attention for being an example of uneven workmanship...drill marks are visible and the polishing/dressing was below par compared to other examples. From the point of view of Egyptologists, this second-rate workmanship is a good thing because it highlights the techniques used by these ancient craftsmen.

However, the sides of the coffer are not well finished. There are clear saw marks on the outside, and on the north-west corner the saw appears to have cut too deep on more than one occasion. There are also the remains of a number of drill holes which the masons tried to smooth over, but could not fully remove.

King's Chamber Coffer

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Lunica

How did they cut the granite in the kings chamber to get this extraordinary smooth surface on the walls and the very thigh fit?

The sufaces are certainly smooth, but the fit is not as tight as you might think.

There is mortar between those stones. If you look closely, you can see it.

Hart

Yes but... How did they get the perfect mortar stone shape to fit inbetween the perfect stones huh? UFO plasma beams seems like a much more real explanation to me.

Originally posted by Kayzar
Yes but... How did they get the perfect mortar stone shape to fit inbetween the perfect stones huh? UFO plasma beams seems like a much more real explanation to me.

"Mortar" is a substance like clay that's slathered on top of rock/bricks/etc to hold it in place and cover defects in joints.

The wikipedia article on mortar talks about the mortar used by Egyptians in building the pyramids. You'd see it very easily if you visited the pyramids and someone pointed a finger and said, "See? That's where the mortar is." You'd see a line of dried paste that's different in color from the rest of the rock -- and pretty soon (if you DID visit it in person instead of reading about it online) you would see mortar in constant use throughout the pyramid:
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Kayzar
Yes but... How did they get the perfect mortar stone shape to fit inbetween the perfect stones huh? UFO plasma beams seems like a much more real explanation to me.

"Mortar" is a substance like clay that's slathered on top of rock/bricks/etc to hold it in place and cover defects in joints.

The wikipedia article on mortar talks about the mortar used by Egyptians in building the pyramids. You'd see it very easily if you visited the pyramids and someone pointed a finger and said, "See? That's where the mortar is." You'd see a line of dried paste that's different in color from the rest of the rock -- and pretty soon (if you DID visit it in person instead of reading about it online) you would see mortar in constant use throughout the pyramid:
en.wikipedia.org...

Thankyou for the much needed explanation,if you look through the thread and read my previous posts you will clearly see that i was not serrious. Hence my previous post
110% PROOF That aliens put the water in my pool.

My pool is 10,000 gallons that is 83,500 pound of water, no man could lift it (so it had to be aliens that moved it therer). In my house there is a 1 gallong jug it takes 30 seconds to fill and thrity seconds to pour out. So even IF i did it it would take me 115 days to fill up my pool IF i was fulling and pouring right by the pool 24 hours a day without stopping. Now the closest supply of fresh water is 10 miles away so for me to walk one gallon back and fourth would have taken me.... Yeah pretty much proof that aliens filled up my pool for me.

And i have seen the pyramids, i have to dig but i do have a picture of a hamer or some type of mallet that was used durring the construction stuck in between two blocks.

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Prior to enhancment it is not obvious to make out anything on the images posted (enhancment?

morphing ?) It dosent prove anything I've lost count of the number of times i've seen pictures

and claims from people who have seen the face of Christ on a piece of toast, a misshapen

potato, a damp patch on a wall, a photo of a cloud formation, etc....etc.....



And anyway Egypt is on the African continent which has elephants, which that long ago

may have been utillised for transportation and travel over the vast distances of the

African continent same as was in India !!!

Originally posted by eletheia
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Prior to enhancment it is not obvious to make out anything on the images posted (enhancment?

morphing ?) It dosent prove anything I've lost count of the number of times i've seen pictures

and claims from people who have seen the face of Christ on a piece of toast, a misshapen

potato, a damp patch on a wall, a photo of a cloud formation, etc....etc.....

I dont agree. But hey, we dont have to agree on it all!

And anyway Egypt is on the African continent which has elephants, which that long ago

may have been utillised for transportation and travel over the vast distances of the

African continent same as was in India !!!

yeah I agree.Very interesting we see such elephants inside the pyramid it tells me, the correct story has not been told yet.

Originally posted by Lunica

And after that they forgot how to do it?

BTW. You really think the Egyptians as we know them built them? As you know the Egyptians literary wrote everything down in hieroglyphs how they did things in live... But their greatest achievement (ahum), building the pyramids, they forgot to mention. Oh well... they mention the Sun Gods built them.

That's what gets me too, who builds something that big and it takes how many years and no one writes down how or when they did it.