SarahPac Called for Ariz. Congresswoman to be 'Targeted'

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


But our founding fathers also knew that they didn't have all the answers, and that society would change requiring various amendments. We also have the Supreme Court and all of its decisions since 1789 bringing further clarification.

You can't go back to 1776, and honestly I don't believe that 1776 was the utopia that modern figures are trying to make it out to have been.

Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

But our founding fathers also knew that they didn't have all the answers, and that society would change requiring various amendments. We also have the Supreme Court and all of its decisions since 1789 bringing further clarification.

You can't go back to 1776, and honestly I don't believe that 1776 was the utopia that modern figures are trying to make it out to have been.

Oh, i know this. And I am not saying that is ideal. It is the mindset i refer to. Believing in individual liberty and responsibility.

But with 600,000 laws on the books, where do you start cleaning up the mess?

Because of this shooting, there will be legislation that is introduced attempting to stifle the first and second amendment. And at the end of it all, people will remember him and Sarah Palin in the same sentence, instead of him and the term "mentally ill".

Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that point, because I do feel that one is definitely more extreme and specific than the other.

We don't have to agree to disagree. One IS more "extreme" than the other. But more extreme what? In the context it was provided, there was nothing extreme about it.

However, using the interpretation that people with 20/20 hindsight are using, of course one is more extreme than the other.

But at the end of the day, they are both metaphors.

The only call to violence that is there is one that would be picked up on by the simple minded, such as our mentally ill shooter. Problem is....there is absolutely no evidence linking him to the OP other than the accusations of some with political motivations.

I told someone in another forum that he was a member here. Know what they said to me? "You should leave that forum."

Just because he was an ATS member, it is already starting that people want to lump all of us in with him.

Then look at the discourse we are having. I am not sure...maybe the users of ATS truly are nuts.

Regardless, no...i iwll not be leaving ATS. Men and women have died for our freedom. It would be a travesty if i gave up on my first amendment right so easily.

I'm wondering if the image posted in the OP may not have actually been a piece in a carefully crafted puzzle that was created by the left several years ago?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1abea5269593.png[/atsimg]

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I could only agree with that if this specific representative hadn't publicly called her on it as being dangerous. This very image was discussed multiple times, by multiple news outlets before the tragedy. That doesn't make it hindsight, imo. It makes it a failed warning.

Now, that being said, as I have repeatedly said I have no proof that he ever even saw this particular image. My point is the rhetoric or metaphors or whatever one wants to call them are inescapable in the current climate, and dangerous to the unstable mind.

Now, take into account the number of people simply on antidepressants in 2007 there where 27 million Americans on some sort of meds (this does not include antipsychotics). That's 27 million that require some sort of medical intervention for mood disorders. I'm definitely not saying they are all waiting to become killers, however that is a lot of instability.

psychcentral.com...

reply to post by searching4truth


Well, she did bring it up before. In the bits i saw, it looked more like she was making a stink about Palin. See, i see the Democrats griping about Palin so much that i have just started to ignore it. I would do the same with the Republicans complaints about Obama....but Obama actually has a political office.

Lets be honest....in the inner circles of the DNC it is obvious that there are elaborate plans that are made to "rough up" specific people. That is what it seems that she was doing when complaining about the crosshairs. Because i didn't see a single complaint from her about the DailyKOS image where her state had a bullseye.

It is all politics. Every single little thing they do is for political gain. Sure, she may have went on TV complaining about it weeks ago. That was politics. It is all a show. The more sensational they can make it, the more "fired up" their voting base gets.

Thus, you have Palin using "target practice" metaphors, along with Obama using metaphors for bringing guns to a knife fight. And then you get the "other side" that will focus on something innane such as these metaphors and try to score political points by screaming about how wrong they have been done....when they do the exact same thing themselves.

This whole affair is why i abandon party politics. They just play The People off each other via Divide and Conquer.

Look at this discussion...it is all about divide and conquer. Lets get the "libs" to think that the Tea Party is responsible. Then the Conservatives will work as hard as they can to pin him and his thoughts on the "libs". It is all a sham. Utterly ridiculous sham.

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
reply to post by Rocky Black

 

Thankyou for your replies and being honest....

As I live in a once "great' UK nation I am not really aware of the USA political divides, genuinely....
For me what is the liberal Agenda ?
Please tell me as I would like to learn about the divide ..

Regards

PDUK

You really don't want to know. It is about blinding the sheep with rhetoric instead or real political discourse that allows a reasoned exchange between right and left.

You see, in the US politically active citizens with no affiliation to the Republicans and the Democrats is seen as threat whether your politics is about constitutionalism or union/worker's rights.

In America, politics is about vested interests muscling elected representatives with bribes and threats to pass laws that suits them. A good example was the "three strikes" laws that sent three time losers to prison for life even if the final crime is stealing a pizza from a supermarket because you are hungry. It was the corporations that own the private prisons that campaigned to have these three strikes laws so that could have prisons stuffed to rafters with bodies so the tax payers pay more. It is so easy to end up in jail in the US.

As for politically active citizens, both the established parties and corporations have always seen them as a threat for the last 120 years in the US with the head cracking Red Squads publicly used to assault unionised workers and terrorise their reps. Hoover's FBI and Cointelpro were later used to infiltrate and destroy every kind of group from anti-drugs campaigners, to civil rights activists, to environmentalists. Even today, the FBI has been instructed to view antiwar activists as terrorists because they see these activists aiding and abetting terrorists abroad.

American politics is not about plurality but rather about the compliance of the citizenry. The real citizens in America are the corporations, vested interests and lobbies.

"In raids, FBI seeks terrorist links; activists cry foul" minnesota.publicradio.org...

"Md. Police Put Activists' Names On Terror Lists" www.washingtonpost.com...

A corporation is legally a citizen of the state (or other jurisdiction) in which it is incorporated (except when circumstances direct the corporation be classified as a citizen of the state in which it has its head office, or the state in which it does the majority of its business).

Wiki

As an ordinary citizen, PurpleDog UK, you wouldn't want to mess with these enormous citizens.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Because i didn't see a single complaint from her about the DailyKOS image where her state had a bullseye.

That's becuase you are refering to a mocked up image.

Look at it again...the original article did not have a bullseye graphic at all...it simply used the word bullseye in context and in fineprint no less...whereupon someone took the doc...exploded the fineprint, added a picture and a bullseye graphic.

Not exactly an honest comparison by any measure...unless you want to compare anyone using the word "bullseye" to a graphic of a Sniper Scope and Crosshairs over someone's distrcit accompanied by the rhetoric of "don't retreat, RELOAD" yada yada.

Originally posted by EssenSieMich
I'm wondering if the image posted in the OP may not have actually been a piece in a carefully crafted puzzle that was created by the left several years ago?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1abea5269593.png[/atsimg]

Funny...here is the actual article and it looks nothing like what you posted...no graphic Bullseye...not her pic etc. Honesty matters, and my biggest beef with the political right is that they don't seem to think so and churn out political propaganda with expediency and glee

The doc you posted above has been mocked up

www.dailykos.com...

FYI - The link that is provided in the mocked up/BS document...the URL has been modified...it's a dead link. I had to google around to find the actual original that the falsifyer started with.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


This my friends is why we should all stop and think prior to hitting the submit button! I see this the same way you see the pictures of Miss America throwing up 200$ worth of booze or something like that. I suppose that Mrs Palin will have some trouble getting the GOP nomination now.

reply to post by Obinhi


You are a tad too subtle for me, but yes the moronic security services actually think the best way to monitor and track threats is by reading comments on forums.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
...forensic shrinks will tell ya' that many mass murders first torture animals. I'm wondering if his altar has any signs of animal sacrifice.

Since we are in a Palin's thread, let me just remark that she's noted for hunting and killing all sorts of animals. Last time she was chasing poor caribous, with her film crew.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Ilovecatbinlady (?)

I understand these 'Corps' are all seeing and all doing and let's be honest... are the real causes in essence with the problems that now pervade our societies.....

I'll share this story with you which became public knowledge today, it has relevance to your examples of the 'Authorities' invading peoples freedom...

www.bbc.co.uk...

It concerns an undercover Police Officer in the UK who infiltrated a protest group, whom were campaigners for t'green energy'.... Actually the Undercover Officer ''Turned'' and offered eveidence for the Protestors and the case fell apart.....

Massive implications in many ways........ Police undercover in a peaceful group, Prosecutors knowledge PRIOR to court case and the fact the Officer TURNED.....

The world is a strange place BUT never underestimate the Intelligent and Informed Individual ....

Regards

PDUK

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


I heard the story on BBC 5live and it actually turns out the prosecution withdrew the case when the undercover officer himself stepped forward as a witness on the defendants side when the authorities decided to prosecute a hall load of environmental activists under the joint enterprise of a crime.

The prosecution dropped the case because it didn't want to lose face and expose the police's activities in the political sphere.We have political police in the UK.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK



You don't know cat bin lady? She was the bank worker who lost the plot and put the cat in the bin and was caught on cctv.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Yeah... but why do you love her ??????

Ref - The Police Officer 'turning'.. that does make you wonder how many others are out there doesn't it ???

Ultimate dis-info from within

PDUK

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

Yeah... but why do you love her ??????

Ref - The Police Officer 'turning'.. that does make you wonder how many others are out there doesn't it ???

Ultimate dis-info from within

PDUK

I love her because everybody hates her. Everybody needs someone to care for them.....NOT!!!! I just thought it was funny.

reply to post by maybereal11


Wrong picture. Look at the one i linked to:

www.theblaze.com...

And just since i found it...look at this pic of the shooter:

www.theblaze.com...

he shaved his head, and his eyebrows. No, nothing mentally ill about that. In my years in mental health, i learned that those kinds of eccentricities were part and parcel to the schizoaffective mentality. One guy used to shave his head only until it was aligned with his ears. Like, the front half of his hair, with the back half left alone. That was just what he liked. He said it made him look less like the devil, whatever that means.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


It would seem he was shaven while in custody, as witnesses said he was clean shaven with short hair, not bald.
www.huffingtonpost.com...