Egyptian Muslims defend Christians with their Lives

More Pro muslim Bs on ats all we need.

Ewwwwwww 21 muslim's stood in front of a church....
Yet thousands of Christians die for no reason other than they are Christians.

Bs the whole religion is a fraud of the bible.
There profit Muhammad just changed what he wanted to fit his own agenda ...and we see where we are today...
Suicide booming after another..
Marriage of 11 year old girls and younger.

To put this simple the religion in general is a crock of BullCrap if i ever saw one.

If i copy the bible and change verse's to fit my agenda..would you follow in my new religion if GOD said so lol
No you wouldn't
Ps..
BULL++++

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by inforeal

 

Moderate Muslims standing up against Islamic terrorism can only be a good thing.

However, I checked out one of the links posted and it stated:-

The tens of Egyptian Muslims who joined their Christian countrymen to celebrate inside and outside churches did so on personal initiative, in love of the country and their brothers in it.

english.ahram.org.eg...

Tens of Muslims? From a country with 70 million?

The bombing killed 21 and injured 97.

frontpagemag.com...

So fewer Egyptian Muslims (in the tens) than Christians killed and wounded by Islamic fanatics, showed their support for Christians?

Excuse me if I feel that tens of Muslims protesting against an attack that killed and wounded over 100 Christians doesn't quite fulfil me with the hope that the opening post attempts to convey.

Don't get me wrong. Support from moderate Muslims against Islamic extremism is more than welcome.

It's just that the numbers involved (in the tens...) don't justify the hype.

edit on 8-1-2011 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

that's my point!!!
Everyone on ATS is so Muslim sympathize it makes me sick 107 flag's for 10 muslim's out of 70 million of em lol

More Propaganda via the Muslim that be...MTB

My church all 500 members went to a mosque in Lexington kentucky.
join in services and we never complained...
We are OPEN MINDED...
Did this get on the new's?
No Christians doing this kinda stuff is not worthy of news is it lol
PROPAGANDA!!!!

I am ashamed of all 107 flag's of this thread ASHAMED of you!!!
Deny ignorance is the motto of this website.
Yet you fall for this dribble every time.
Shame on you

First positive sign I've seen in a long time. Praise be to the Creator. I think the Egyptians are the most progressive people in the Middle East. They made peace with Israel long before any one else did. And now they're lending support to Christians. Truly wonderful.

I've always been curious about human nature. Before the internet, I would sit in a park or a coffee shop and what how people interacted with one another. Later, I discovered the chat rooms. It was great therapy for me as I was heading towards a divorce and in healing afterwards. I gained new perspective of men in general I say. I had been raised to be a "man hater" as many women are. I took the opportunity to gain a new insight with some in depth questions and answers sessions over the matter of several years. When things got really heated up after the 9/11 tragedy I soon discovered the truth and was only more curious as to why the Arabic countries had been chosen to be the victim of this conspiracy. Once more the coffee shops where the Arabic guys hung out became my new home to watch, listen and review. I had in the past known a few Arabic people but did not have an actual close knit type of relationship with any families. So, I landed in the chat rooms where they typically hung out. I was shocked at the initial response when the conversations begun. In answering the basic question of "where are you from" most would state that I was from a place that American's hate. My heart sank, knowing that they had been told that all American's hated them purely because of thier race or religion. I felt it was my duty to show them that we are not what we have been portrayed to be in totality. I began to build long lasting friendships with many of them. I was invited many times to come to visit and be shown around the cities as a good will offer in hopes that I would come back and tell my friends who they were. I too had been confused even though I had tried hard not to allow it to happen. I feared that I would not be accepted, due to my personal views being so very liberal. I was corrected again and again that the majority of people would not be offended by my American Liberalisms. I learned that their view on the powers that be are no different from mine and many of my fellow citizens of the USA. This was a great lesson for me and the beginning of my desire to assist increasing the universal mind of humanity. Over time even that has increased to include the awareness of nature's conscious mind. Also, that seperation in any form, even by seperating ourselves by viewing God as something seperate from ourselves goes against a higher minded reality.

I understand how many people are stuck in their belief's even when they are destructive. The greatest destruction comes from our believe that we are seperated from one another by race/gender/nationality/religion/nature/earth/universe/multiuniverses and what some may call the creator of all life. We are all but a finite piece of the conciousness of that creator, embodied in all life. We are all ONE. It is my personal believe that our very planet and every spect of dust in the universe is a physical manifestation of The First Source of Life. If I do not live in my heart with the 6 Heart Values: compassion, understanding, appreciation, forgiveness, humility and to act in valor, then I am not following my true path in this or any other life.

I will admit that I became angry with the poster who spoke with hatred. It only shows me that I have some issues left within myself that I have yet erradicated. I'm not perfect, but at least I am trying to improve myself and to speak honestly my feelings as they arise.

So, to him I say I am sorry for my outburst. I could have handled my emotions better if I had sat for a moment and pondered the issue within myself that brought about such negative feelings within me. I saw something inside your anger that I have failed to identify and release. I hope you learn how to forgive yourself for all that you did in the name of duty, honor and national security. Forgive yourself for hating the piece of you that the victims of your bullets reflected of yourself. For when you brought them pain, it was self inflicted upon you simultaneously. Seek help my friend, you followed your heart though, it was misled by your acceptance of a great deception You have incurred a great karmic debt and each of us that have witnessed it by any form have taken on a part of that debt. It is a cycle that can be broken through what I have come to know as the 6 heart values I mentioned above. I for one forgive you and release you from this side of the karmic debt wheel.

reply to post by TheAmused


I would like to point out one perspecting in response to your post.

The United States of America was based on the Christian religion. Believing that Jesus is the one and only way. Yet, those same Christians are going into the military with a willingness to kill to defend thier country, when Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek. Christianity teaches that Moses came down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments and one of those was DO NOT KILL. There was no paraphrase saying unless someone does "whatever".

I will call out the hypocracy of those people fighting a war today claiming to be Christians.

I will call the same hypocracy to those who are in a war based on the Islamic faith.

Both have been manipulated by the religious teachers and thier leaders of nations to act upon a twisted teaching of faiths.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Both religions speak of love and yet both take up arms to protect what they claim to be their right.

I do not believe that God/Allah would have been pleased with any person who believes it's good to kill and then claim they are righteous in his name.

A true hero is one who knows that unselfish love is the only way.

reply to post by inforeal


Remember Mohamed the Prophet made Islam a protector religion to Christtianity. Issa, Jesus, is widely recognized and respected as a great prophet. Islam knows the truth and Christians should realize the truth. Find outfor yourself. "For verily I say unto thee that thou shalt know the truth and the truth shall set you free". Christians worship a false idol named Jesus in the form of Christ when it was vise versa. Wake up the end game draws nigh.

This is so beautiful, so positive and so blessed.

It just goes to show that people can get on together regardless of everything.

And it goes to show that certain powerful people have evil agendas - to separate people, to cause hatred and to kill.

Surely we can overcome this evil, because the majority of people want to live in peace.

reply to post by TheAmused


I think you really missed the point of so many people's support. It is an outcry for unity. Not purely Muslim support. A support for an act of humanity for one another of opposing religions. I think that anything positive in unifying the two is certailnly going to uplift the spirit of all involved.

The other guy (didn't catch the name) who spoke about his church going to the mosque was not reported any where to his knowledge should be a red flag that it is the propaganda that fuels this war. It certainly should have been put on every tv set on both sides of the ocean. But, don't we all know that this war is about greed and not our country's salvation?

It's sad really that we have allowed this to become a war of religions. Hell, it's sad that we are at war at all knowing the truth about 9/11. But, isn't it true what we fear, we only draw to us? Being told by the Christian religion that a war of religions would come, propaged fear and created this situation we are in today. I do not know about the Qu'ran, but I would not be surpised if this was not also taught in that faith.

Blessed be the people at the event, and blessed be the positive repliers to this thread.

may I ask please ?? to the community and to the mods ? my question is simple : may I say here on ATS that I really fundamentally HATE those fundamentalist islamist murderers ?? is it possible to say that or do I have to say : we have to be diplomatic ???
so you will be deleting my post ?? because I really HATE those people's politics and BOMBINGS, not the human beings they are but the brainwashing ideas they have in their mind !!! you have to love your fellow human being, nevertheless I am hating their tactics, their foolish ideas, their behaviour !!! You delete my post Mods ???
I am christian, I did not say Catholic, i said CHRISTIAN ok ??? !!! Peace and happy new year to all of you people wanting peace and of good will !!! but I really could kill one of them foolish extremists !!!! I am not a puppet that can be blown up for nothing !!!!!

reply to post by Sunlionspirit


problem is : when is it tolerated to say I really HATE someone ??
only if they are terrorists ?? ( 9/11 for example, now Egypt etc etc .... ) or also when they spit on human rights and human values in our threads ???
think about it before deleting our posts MODS !! Thanks.
( I think about the posts from neocons and neo-capitalists wanting people with no money to die before getting helped with " normal human " medical aid ...... )
have a nice day, I hope you feel good !!!

reply to post by Sunlionspirit


nothing? you mean this 'nothing':

US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies'

and this is just the tip of the iceberg of atrocities made by us and their allied soldiers in middle-east

I always get amazed by the lack of intelligence in majority of western people who think muslims blow themselves because they eat in mcdonalds and buy stuff in wallmart...

Originally posted by TheAmused
that's my point!!!
Everyone on ATS is so Muslim sympathize it makes me sick 107 flag's for 10 muslim's out of 70 million of em lol

More Propaganda via the Muslim that be...MTB

My church all 500 members went to a mosque in Lexington kentucky.
join in services and we never complained...
We are OPEN MINDED...
Did this get on the new's?
No Christians doing this kinda stuff is not worthy of news is it lol
PROPAGANDA!!!!

I am ashamed of all 107 flag's of this thread ASHAMED of you!!!
Deny ignorance is the motto of this website.
Yet you fall for this dribble every time.
Shame on you

So, you went to a mosque, yet you seemingly believe the majority of Muslims are terrorists and look down on their religion and describe it as a crock of BS? Your posts seem a bit hypocritical to me, surely the fact that they let you join in with their proceedings shows that they are open minded. I'm not sure how you can call yourself open minded at all, going to a location of their worship with a pre-formed opinion means nothing- seems to me you are awfully judgemental, especially with your post above that.

nice to see this !!!!! solidarity between human beings no matter what foolish religious parano brains are at work !!!
some hope is permitted !!
Love is the answer against neo-cons, neo-capitalists ( Hey Cheney ! hey Bush puppet, hey Rove satanist .. )
and religious fanatics !! all the same anyway : hating humanity, hating human beings, hating human feelings, hating solidarity, hating nature ( BP - Monsanto and what else everywhere ... ).
Fundamental LOVE for humanity and nature, LOVE, love or shet up and go f..k elsewhere !!!

reply to post by donhuangenaro


I agree totally with you, this is monstruous !!!!!
that is what I say man !!! Those actions are monstruous, against muslim world !!!
but the answer is NOT to kill normal Christian people, praying in church ..... kill the ones in power, not the ones wanting just love, compassion and peace, praying just in church for peace all over the world !!!!
peace please ! just some peace !!
but we have to FIGHT with all our forces the ones that are killing this hope !!!! the neo-con and neo-capitalist politics ...
read about it please .... tell me what you think about those no-human strategies/politics !!!!

Fundamentally Speaking

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
may I ask please ?? to the community and to the mods ? my question is simple : may I say here on ATS that I really fundamentally HATE those fundamentalist islamist murderers ??

You are welcome to post anything you want as long as it doesn't violate the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use. I just double-checked and didn't see anything specific to that, so I imagine there's nothing wrong with it.

However, I would prefer to respond to this as a member, not a moderator, and in doing so, must recuse myself from taking action as a mod in this thread. From here on out, it's just me, and I speak only for myself, not ATS or anyone else.

As a foundation, I offer a series of observations that may seem like idealistic psychobabble, but are based on years of experience and no small amount of thought:

The root of all hatred is anger.
The root of all anger is fear.
The root of all fear is ignorance.

I know, it seems naive to frame the matter in such terms, but there's a lot going on here.

We're all going to die, no matter what. By violence, disease, pestilence, famine or the mere passage of time, the hour is uncertain, but death is certain. The only significant variables are how long we live, and what happens while we live.

If we accept the prevailing scientific thought on the matter, we are all related. Every one of us, and not just humans, but every living thing on the planet. And really, it doesn't stop there, but going any farther strains the scope of the discussion.

All of us, regardless of the details of the moment, are at least cousins, though I prefer to think of us as brothers and sisters, since we are, in the most distant sense, also cousins to sea urchins, oak trees and slime molds. As brothers and sisters, we will quarrel over one thing or another, as families always do, but in the end, our differences do not change who and what we are.

All of us, regardless of the details of the moment, hold beliefs we consider so important that we are willing to die for them -- or kill for them -- though we may not always think in such terms. But we all have something, whether it be the defense of our own lives or the lives of others. At the very least, there are few indeed among us who would not kill to protect our own children from mortal danger.

Though any of us may, given enough distance, question whether our beliefs are truly worth killing for, it is easy enough for any of us to hold such beliefs without question, and thus kill without question.

That is what lies at the heart of murder committed in the name of faith. Ultimately, all evil is done in the name of justice, but what is evil and what is justice depends on who dispenses it.

I am an American, and I love my country. But I also know that I and my fellow Americans are more than willing to kill in the name of what we believe. And we will kill anyone who stands in the way of such beliefs.

Don't believe me? We do it all the time. We're doing it right now. And we've been doing it for generations. Any true "patriotic American" will do anything to protect America, no matter how horrible. And again, we've done it, do it all the time, and will continue to do it.

Because we believe it's right.

But we are not alone in our zeal. There are others in this world who are also willing to kill for what they believe, and they will do anything to promote and protect those beliefs.

Are they wrong?

I suppose it depends on who you ask. We Americans have killed millions in the name of what we believe. We have executed, firebombed and nuked civilians in the name of ending war. We have committed acts so unspeakable that we literally don't speak of them, but always in the name of freedom and justice.

So it is with anyone who acts with the certainty of righteousness. The annals of history are filled with such conceits.

I certainly don't condone senseless acts of violence, but I also don't think hatred will solve anything.

Millions have died at the hands of those who claim to act on behalf of Jesus, just as millions have died at the hands of those who claim to act on behalf of Allah, or social justice, the god of Marxians.

In the end, all such violence is ultimately committed on behalf of vanity, self-interest and greed.

Hatred will not end hatred. Likewise, understanding will not keep people from doing what people do, and have always done.

However, hatred offers no hope. It amounts to nothing more than choosing a side to fight and die for.

Understanding doesn't offer much more, but at least it does offer some hope.

You cannot hate what you understand.

If you truly despise violence, then the only logical alternative is to seek peace through understanding.

It is, like all human pursuits, ultimately doomed to failure and insignificance, but I still consider it better than the alternatives.

Originally posted by Majic
Fundamentally Speaking

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
may I ask please ?? to the community and to the mods ? my question is simple : may I say here on ATS that I really fundamentally HATE those fundamentalist islamist murderers ??

You are welcome to post anything you want as long as it doesn't violate the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use. I just double-checked and didn't see anything specific to that, so I imagine there's nothing wrong with it.

However, I would prefer to respond to this as a member, not a moderator, and in doing so, must recuse myself from taking action as a mod in this thread. From here on out, it's just me, and I speak only for myself, not ATS or anyone else.

As a foundation, I offer a series of observations that may seem like idealistic psychobabble, but are based on years of experience and no small amount of thought:

The root of all hatred is anger.
The root of all anger is fear.
The root of all fear is ignorance.

I know, it seems naive to frame the matter in such terms, but there's a lot going on here.

We're all going to die, no matter what. By violence, disease, pestilence, famine or the mere passage of time, the hour is uncertain, but death is certain. The only significant variables are how long we live, and what happens while we live.

If we accept the prevailing scientific thought on the matter, we are all related. Every one of us, and not just humans, but every living thing on the planet. And really, it doesn't stop there, but going any farther strains the scope of the discussion.

All of us, regardless of the details of the moment, are at least cousins, though I prefer to think of us as brothers and sisters, since we are, in the most distant sense, also cousins to sea urchins, oak trees and slime molds. As brothers and sisters, we will quarrel over one thing or another, as families always do, but in the end, our differences do not change who and what we are.

All of us, regardless of the details of the moment, hold beliefs we consider so important that we are willing to die for them -- or kill for them -- though we may not always think in such terms. But we all have something, whether it be the defense of our own lives or the lives of others. At the very least, there are few indeed among us who would not kill to protect our own children from mortal danger.

Though any of us may, given enough distance, question whether our beliefs are truly worth killing for, it is easy enough for any of us to hold such beliefs without question, and thus kill without question.

That is what lies at the heart of murder committed in the name of faith. Ultimately, all evil is done in the name of justice, but what is evil and what is justice depends on who dispenses it.

I am an American, and I love my country. But I also know that I and my fellow Americans are more than willing to kill in the name of what we believe. And we will kill anyone who stands in the way of such beliefs.

Don't believe me? We do it all the time. We're doing it right now. And we've been doing it for generations. Any true "patriotic American" will do anything to protect America, no matter how horrible. And again, we've done it, do it all the time, and will continue to do it.

Because we believe it's right.

But we are not alone in our zeal. There are others in this world who are also willing to kill for what they believe, and they will do anything to promote and protect those beliefs.

Are they wrong?

I suppose it depends on who you ask. We Americans have killed millions in the name of what we believe. We have executed, firebombed and nuked civilians in the name of ending war. We have committed acts so unspeakable that we literally don't speak of them, but always in the name of freedom and justice.

So it is with anyone who acts with the certainty of righteousness. The annals of history are filled with such conceits.

I certainly don't condone senseless acts of violence, but I also don't think hatred will solve anything.

Millions have died at the hands of those who claim to act on behalf of Jesus, just as millions have died at the hands of those who claim to act on behalf of Allah, or social justice, the god of Marxians.

In the end, all such violence is ultimately committed on behalf of vanity, self-interest and greed.

Hatred will not end hatred. Likewise, understanding will not keep people from doing what people do, and have always done.

However, hatred offers no hope. It amounts to nothing more than choosing a side to fight and die for.

Understanding doesn't offer much more, but at least it does offer some hope.

You cannot hate what you understand.

If you truly despise violence, then the only logical alternative is to seek peace through understanding.

It is, like all human pursuits, ultimately doomed to failure and insignificance, but I still consider it better than the alternatives.

edit on 1/9/2011 by Majic because: (no reason given)

thanks for your answering, you did it just right !
all I just wanted, is to put all this into extreme to see the limits : we as human beings can hate and may hate and must hate those inhuman acts of bombing and killing innocent people even if we understand the ( bad ) reasons behind the acting : so the problem is to not hate the person/human being that does such criminal acts but hate their acts !! same way of thinking zionism is bad but therefore we are not against the jewish people : hate zionism is not hate jews !!! Difference must be made !!
it is very difficult for me to best explain what I mean because not english or US citizen, but I want to make difference between hate the act of bombing and the person doing it !! hate the politics, not hate the person because he is also a victim of the system !!! just like pedos : we hate their pedo-acts but they very often are also victims when they were children ... so victims making other victims ...
what I do not understand is when you say here on ATS you hate someone for his racist speaking or for his elitist behaviour, your post is deleted very often ...
but I think there can be, must be some justified hate, anger because, well because we want a world of peace and some are just trying to blow the whole thing up ! some trolls, some neo-cons, some elitist monkeys ... well you can put your imagination on hold !! some never wanting peace in this world, some wanting hate, full hate on human solidarity !!!

I never could kill someone, even if I hate his acting and thinking, just because he/she is a human being, nevertheless I could hate him/her a max therefor !!! but I would like to feel free to tell him right in his face that I hate him/her !!! it is not killing that is the answer but educate, discuss, show example, but being frank about my profound feelings after all also !!

I am really glad and my faith in humanity is restored. These muslisms made us proud

Originally posted by Sandypie
reply to post by TheAmused

 

I think you really missed the point of so many people's support. It is an outcry for unity. Not purely Muslim support. A support for an act of humanity for one another of opposing religions. I think that anything positive in unifying the two is certailnly going to uplift the spirit of all involved.

The other guy (didn't catch the name) who spoke about his church going to the mosque was not reported any where to his knowledge should be a red flag that it is the propaganda that fuels this war. It certainly should have been put on every tv set on both sides of the ocean. But, don't we all know that this war is about greed and not our country's salvation?

It's sad really that we have allowed this to become a war of religions. Hell, it's sad that we are at war at all knowing the truth about 9/11. But, isn't it true what we fear, we only draw to us? Being told by the Christian religion that a war of religions would come, propaged fear and created this situation we are in today. I do not know about the Qu'ran, but I would not be surpised if this was not also taught in that faith.

10 people out of 70 million muslim's in that country isn't called UNITY lol
that is called propaganda.that is all this story is.
By 10 muslim's doing this..out of there 70 million..
they will get a few people to convert to the muslim religion.
what is so hard to grasp here....

Originally posted by mustfarhan
I am really glad and my faith in humanity is restored. These muslisms made us proud

lol your BOLD TEXT MADE ME MORE PROUDER!!!!!
propaganda doesn't make me proud .