Marine vet's 20-foot flagpole has homeowners association filing suit over a display of patriotism t

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Dilligaf28

 

Again, the HOA bylaws do not supersede the laws passed by Congress. With that logic, I decided to make a law issued by me, that no one pays taxes anymore...does that now mean my law supersedes the Federal Law? Come on..pull your head out~

And again, I have proven that the Flag Act is irrelevant here, no matter how many times you want to bring it up.

reply to post by Dilligaf28

Please explain what kind of world allows a commercial contract to remove your GOD GIVEN rights? Are the merchants now superior to the LORD GOD? I know they wish to be, but wishing does not make it so.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Thats a total straw man argument and you know it!
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reply to post by sonofliberty1776


God given rights do not have bearing in a secular society such as the U.S. The rule of LAW is what rules here in this country and those laws are written of by and for the people. Separation of church and state clearly overrides your "god" given laws.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by Dilligaf28

 

Please explain what kind of world allows a commercial contract to remove your GOD GIVEN rights? Are the merchants now superior to the LORD GOD? I know they wish to be, but wishing does not make it so.

God given rights? You do realize that god has no place in law, and that many people dont beleive in your god, right?

reply to post by Dilligaf28


How so?, the posters on here don't seem to want to acknowledge logic. Much less common sense. For someone to actually believe that a HOA bylaw supersedes signed and passed piece of congressional legislation is completely absurd!

And you obviously have no idea what a " straw man " argument would be. I think you need to go back to re-runs of sesame street and leave the grownup talk for us big boys.

reply to post by Dilligaf28


It is a valid example. They have no authority to violate rights guaranteed by the Constitution, and given by GOD. It is the same BS being fed us by the TSA. Since we enter into a commercial contract with the airlines, we give up our 4th and 5th amendment rights, this does not even consider the breach of our second amendment rights. What part of "shall not be INFRINGED" do they not understand?

reply to post by captaintyinknots


How did you " prove " that the flag act is irrelevant. Please enlighten us with your vast knowledge on how a simple bylaw supersedes, and thats what your suggesting, supersedes a congressional signed law?

reply to post by Dilligaf28

Fine, then how do the supersede Constitutionally guaranteed rights then? The Constitution is still the supreme law of the land, no matter how much you liberals hate and deride it.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Dilligaf28

 

How so?, the posters on here don't seem to want to acknowledge logic. Much less common sense. For someone to actually believe that a HOA bylaw supersedes signed and passed piece of congressional legislation is completely absurd!

And you obviously have no idea what a " straw man " argument would be. I think you need to go back to re-runs of sesame street and leave the grownup talk for us big boys.

For you to still think that law applies here is absurd. THEY PUT THE WORDING IN THE ACT THAT ALLOWS HOA's TO DO THIS. The law you keep wanting to bring up is the EXACT reason why this is legal for the HOA to do.

"Big Boys" tend to possess at least a slight ability to comprehend what they read.

I am receiving a message from the LORD GOD. What I am about to say is directly from the mouth of GOD and to question or challenge his word is BLASPHEMY.

Now I am free to say anything I want no matter how ridiculous it is and you Sonsofliberty and all of your sovereign friends cannot question me. It is the will of GOD that speaks through me and therefore you must give credence to and obey whatever I say.

If I told you to stop complaining about government and pay your taxes promptly because GOD told me to tell you this would you listen? GOD also told me to tell you that the U.S. is a secular nation and he likes it that way so please stop trying to bring him into everything political. GOD gave me this message and I expect you all to shape up and follow his messages!

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

How did you " prove " that the flag act is irrelevant. Please enlighten us with your vast knowledge on how a simple bylaw supersedes, and thats what your suggesting, supersedes a congressional signed law?

Ive posted it twice, if you still dont get it, that is your issue. Read it again. THEY SPECIFICALLY GIVE HOA'S THIS RIGHT WITHING THE WRITTEN WORDS OF THE ACT.

Is it still going over your head?

And I didnt say it is irrelevant, i said it was irrelevant in this case, nice attempt at changing my words though.

It supercedes nothing. I fact, by doing this, the HOA is following that congressional act to a "T".

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Reading comprehension wasnt your strongest suit was it? Let me help you:

To ensure that the right of an individual to display the flag of the United States on residential property not be abridged.

What part of this above statement don't you understand?

Also, you claim that this piece of legislation is defending these HOA's:

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS. Nothing in this Act shall be considered to permit any display or use that is inconsistent with-- (1) any provision of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code, or any rule or custom pertaining to the proper display or use of the flag of the United States (as established pursuant to such chapter or any otherwise applicable provision of law); or (2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association.

I think your interpretation of this black and white material is to much for you.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Perhaps you might research more into federalism and how the powers of national government are defined? Perhaps you should research more about States Rights? Perhaps you should read more about Florida Real Estate Law? Perhaps you should realize that GOD says your wrong? He told me you were and you can't question god now can you?

reply to post by Dilligaf28


Maybe you should read the Constitution and maybe god will talk to you and fill you in on alittle secret. That the constitution is the supreme law of the land, and god may even tell you to cast away your wicked liberal ways, for your lack of knowledge in the ways of things are laughable at best!


btw, power of government: Just read article 1 Section 8.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


When you are capable or understanding what is written in law and you cease this ridiculous twisting of words and facts then I may undertake your suggestion.

Until a day that you will be willing to admit the possibility of your error and until the day I see a contract as something to be violated on a whim I guess our discussion is at a stand still?

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Reading comprehension wasnt your strongest suit was it? Let me help you:

To ensure that the right of an individual to display the flag of the United States on residential property not be abridged.

What part of this above statement don't you understand?

Also, you claim that this piece of legislation is defending these HOA's:

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS. Nothing in this Act shall be considered to permit any display or use that is inconsistent with-- (1) any provision of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code, or any rule or custom pertaining to the proper display or use of the flag of the United States (as established pursuant to such chapter or any otherwise applicable provision of law); or (2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association.

I think your interpretation of this black and white material is to much for you.

Wow kiddo, just wow. You try to insult my comprehension when you still arent getting that section 4 of the law you keep trying to use to defend your stance specifically allows for HOA's to do this. Classic.

It says flat out "Nothing in this Act shall be considered to permit any display or use that is inconsistent with...any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association."

REASONABLE RESTRICTION. I'd say not allowing a 20 foot flag pole is a reasonable restriction.

Back to school kiddo, you're looking quite foolish.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Dilligaf28

 

Maybe you should read the Constitution and maybe god will talk to you and fill you in on alittle secret. That the constitution is the supreme law of the land, and god may even tell you to cast away your wicked liberal ways, for your lack of knowledge in the ways of things are laughable at best!

btw, power of government: Just read article 1 Section 8.

edit on 7-1-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)

Do you have any idea what states rights are?

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Question? Have you even bothered to look up the US code? At all? Why not read the US code, not just the Flag act, ( which you are clearly basing your argument off of ), and come back later when you simma down child~


And yes I do, do you?

Just setting foot in one of those places controlled by a "home owners association" is asking for your rights to be trampled on. Quite a few people here in FL have to keep their yard cut all the time, and they'll go as far as using a ruler to make sure you've done it. You can't have ANY sort of animal. Either they're loud, stinky, or someone will call animal control on you for one reason or another (probably PETA idiots who have never owned an animal). Boats on a trailer? good luck with that. Move it somewhere else, or move your whole family is more like it.. A few of them have gotten to the point that residents cannot even park their car OUTSIDE their house (in driveway mind you) IF they have a garage. A family member JUST got handed a letter about that very subject and is currently cleaning out his garage instead of paying fines or being kicked out.

I'm all for the rights of people to hang what-the-heck-ever flag they want in their front yard, but everyone has to understand, places like that already warn you about their "control" before you ever sign anything. It's just in fine print somewhere, or they downplayed it to get you in. Unlike Pelosi, READ EVERYTHING FIRST!

IMVHO, they ONLY reason he should have ANY trouble having that flagpole in his yard is if it risks lives or property. e.g. bad mounting brackets, wrong placement(over septic), etc.

People are now wearing their "heart" on their sleeves. Anymore of this and everything will be gray.