FACT CHECK: Mass bird, fish deaths occur regularly

some thoughts on this
poleshift.ning.com...

reply to post by petar258


Yep..

Moving Magnetic North Pole May be the Cause of Mysterious Bird, Fish & Crab Deaths

Don't worry this happens all the time and it's normal...I see birds out my window right now, why aren't they falling out of the sky, if this is normal? Are you going to believe them telling you it's normal and happens regularly, when they have no clue what is even causing it?

reply to post by Tsuki-no-Hikari


Pay attention, smaller animals like birds and fish are more vulnerable to poisons & frequency weapons then humans. A mild poison that will not kill us right away, but slowly, will kill the birds and fish right away. If birds are dropping dead over city's and towns from poisons, then YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND that those people are inhaling the same stuff, and it is deadly. They are killing people around the world with slow poisons that will cause suffocation or aggressive cancers. Now all that is reported so far is the bird & fish deaths that have been found. Think of all the millions of square miles that are not inhabited by people or don't have contacts with the outside world, or have not been report at all. Out in the middle for forest, jungles or the oceans the birds and fish are dying also by the millions. It is only getting worse. Most likely the governments are spraying at night in the air. The resistance to the new world order as gone world wide, they are just going to finish most people and get it over with rather then deal with us.

TODAY 01-07-2011
Mystery of mass animal death epidemic deepens after 8,000 turtle doves fall dead in Italy with strange blue stain on their beaks...

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

I'm somewhere between the fence on this issue. I think some of the deaths are normal die offs due to the extreme winter we are having, but I think foul play is involved with the deaths in Kentucky, Louisiana, and Arkansas.

P.S. with all the furor that is being made of these die offs, imagine if disclosure of extra-terrestrial life happened.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by 2manyquestions

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Yes because disease just happens to kill thousands of creatures all at the same time, all in the same place.

Because this happens worldwide all the time too, huh.

I do not believe in coincidence.

 

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What about the bubonic plague which at one point killed millions of people (about 70 million) across the world during the 14th century, and threatened to kill many more had it not been contained? Disease can wipe out a species quickly and suddenly if the conditions are right.

*le sigh*

Again, one century does not equal mid flight. A disease also does not kill all creatures who have it at exactly the same time.

Apples . . . and . . . oranges

Do we know everything about every disease, fungus or bacteria that affects every single species on the planet? Hardly. You say one century, but what you don't realize is that in one century 30%-60% of Europe's population succumbed to the disease. At first it spread like wildfire and killed thousands across the land. It just happened to be a disease that took a couple of days to kill you. I'm not ruling out poison or human-caused contamination here, but I'm not going to rule out a possible infection that could have very well done the same thing. We learn something new and surprising about our world every day.

Anna's "red sky" is real.

2nd

If this was happening all year long I would be worrying. Mass people die during flu season yet no one seems to be yelling CONSPIRACY! The fact that the birds are dying this time of year shows that there is a possibility of a tough disease going around. It could be contracted by the tiniest creatures and moving up the food chain.

I am not saying this isn't important because we need to keep monitoring this in case this problem persists. However if in, let's say, 1 month this stops happening than we would know that it was a virus causing this mess. If animals continue to die off throughout the year than we can start pinpointing what the actual problem is.

These animals aren't showing any strange signs and it isn't the whole nests that are dying. When animals get sick they fly away from the flock so that the flock isn't in any danger. That is why you see them around where they are rather than dying in their nests.

I wouldn't scream panic just yet. The fact that we don't see mass die offs is because the animal would travel far away from the flock to be found. This is life, some species die off and others take their place. This isn't new.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


yes it happens all the time which dont have anyting to do with the world ending. Its probably government experiments and thats the reason the news never reports things of the like.

reply to post by 2manyquestions


Once again . . . disease does not kill a whole flock of birds, or school of fish, or both . . . all at the same time.

Time for a Parody;

Okay people! Move along! Nothing to see here

*throws blankets over 40,000 dead birds, 2,000,000 fish, 40,000 crabs*

Go on now! Watch that tube! I said everything's just fine! Watch that hockey game...

*Watches the discussion*

Hey HEY! I said this is NORMAL, got me!?

Pole shift? Ice Age? Nahhh We havent seen those for nearly 20,000 years, why would they come back all of a sudden?

Shrinking Magnetospheric pressure? Huh? You MUST be mistaken, my compass works FINE! *shakes it* See?



Pardon my parody, but I think the folks who are dismissing these events as trivial nonsense need to keep an open mind to the possibility that these animals (Whos very purpose to survive and just be) Are suddenly finding it impossible to do so, dying in a matter of hours from unexpected causes.

Why dont you scientistic folks practice good science and just say "I dont know"

A normal activity for a bird is to fly around in a logical matter and eat all day to then find a safe place to sleep.

They do not "NORMALLY" Die by the thousands across the world in a week.

Come on now...There certainly could be something to see here.

Here's an interesting page from USGS, showing a map of recent die-off events.
USGS, Recent Mortality Events Map

reply to post by TheAgonist



So far, the links posted in this thread to indicate that this happens all the time don't show that. So far, the available evidence points to a die-off here and there. Yes, such die-offs happen.

But do we have any evidence that points to other prior strings of about 20 die-offs occurring in the span of a week that happen all the time?

Just know on fox news, they brought in a scientist from harvard ( i didnt catch his name) ok ready for the newest lame excuse, it was a mass bird suicide. Man I can pick this apart on so many levels. He said the front bird dive bombs to the ground and the rest of the flock follows. I could beleive this IF,firstly, first bird kill was at night, birds do not fly at night, second did these birds do telepathic communication all around the globe to insure all the other birds followed suit? Third, he spoke only of the bl ackbirds, what about the turtle doves? Then as for the mass fish kill he claims is from a bacteria, again is this bacteria in all the other countries that are havign mass fish kills? Personally this reasoning is unacceptable for me. Next sorry excuse will be?

reply to post by RedBird


I understand exactly what you are saying. I think the media is well aware of how to raise their numbers. Creating fear is one of those tactics. I forget who said it, but I would agree that we are simply more aware of things happening across the globe now more than ever, due to the internet. Sensationalism sales.

Also, fear allows for massive groups to be controlled. If you are terrified, you loose your sense of control. We in this country at least, have a big issue with control. I read a book several years ago about OCD (Obsessive Control Disorder) tauting that 95% of people in America suffer from it on some level. I read the entire book and found my name written all over it and slowly began to change my self destructive ways. I had it bad, to the point that every single thing in my house was organized to a degree that even a candle on a decorated dish turned to the slightest degree out of my design would anger me. The need to have control is damaging to our innate abilities to create harmony.

Visualization is the greatest power a human being has. Because, what we create in our minds will be created in our lives. I agree there is a lot of really horrible stuff going on. I believe there are Alien beings living in the caves. I believe there are natural reptillian people living even deeper in the caves and that they are not bad, but self protective. I believe there is an elistic group that have controlled religions and politics since before money was created. I believe there are chemtrails that are deadly. I believe there are a lot of things going on. I also believe that the power of our imaginations is greater than any of these things. The more we focus on these things and imagine the worst possibilities that can happen we only create our fears.

If there are evil aliens that want to kill everyone off, what could you or I really do to stop them? Their technology is far greater than ours. If the small group of people in power have managed to control not only one country but most of them, then what could you do to stop them physically? If religion has managed to gain control of millions of lives and led by their teachers to the point that you could not convince them that hell exists only in your mind. What could you do to convince them? We can not control what others do or don't do. We can only release the need to control life and all within it.

A great technique I learned was to create a safe environment for myself through visualization. I imagine my heart flowing love energy outwardly and encircling me in a field of perfect harmony. I then look within to see if there is any dark energies attached to myself or near me. I encircle them with a bubble of love and send it to the light. I then create a vision of peace, love and harmony in all things, people, earth, universe and beyond. It calms me down and gives me a greater understanding that everything, including the so called bad things are all a part of a grander scheme. I learned the teachings of the old Kahuna's on the power of responsibility for all things and forgiveness. As everything I see outside of my self is like a mirror that only reflects my own deepest beliefs. I learned how to pay attention to my belief systems and change them so that I am no longer a victim, but a powerful creator of my universe. I have learned that not only can I not control others, but I can control my own thoughts. It is a choice of which road I would prefer to walk. Do I want to live in fear or do I want to live in acceptance that all is for a higher and greater purpose to expand my experience as a noble being here living life to experience duality. I will chose the latter.

What is mans greatest fear but the fear of death. When in reality it is the death that frees one from all threats and disharmony. I will fear nothing and I suggest those of you who do take time to focus your thoughts and energy towards finding inner peace and harmony with life. The more you look for the bad things that happen the bigger it becomes. Find gratitude in everything, even things that cause pain or loss. I did and it has made a huge difference in my life.

I do not believe in destiny or coincidence. I think we chose our experiences. I for one hold the vision of the garden of eden once again on this planet. Living in harmony with all that. Take a look at your life and ask yourself what part do you play in the reality of today. You blame someone else for the pollution then get into your car that emits not only pollution but negative emt's. You go to a store to buy your food and feel angry because it is genetically altered and yet you grow no garden. You buy a house built of wood and are angry at the loss of our forest. You go to work at a job that you detest and can not understand why you have a heart condition from the stress. Every step we take makes a difference. If you want to see change, then change your own ways. Create a life that is less dependant on the system and more in harmony with nature and we will see great things happen quickly.

I would like to suggest a series of books that has had a huge affect on millions of people without advertisement it sold over 11 million copies, translated into 22 languages and has landed on every continents door step in less than 10 years. If you do not realize the overwhelming meaning in that statement, suffice to say it has never happened in history before. The Ringing Cedars of Russia by Vladimir Megre. If you do not have money to buy the set, I would happily share it with anyone who asks for it. I have the series on my computer in English.

Originally posted by Tsuki-no-Hikari
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

If that's what you want to believe, then nothing I say can possibly convince you otherwise, since you're obviously going to disregard any source I bring up.


reply to post by primetime2123

 

The article gives an explanation for the birds in Arkansas that you insisted were "crushed." NOWHERE does it claim that bird deaths anywhere else were caused by fireworks.

And here's a thought for you: Perhaps this year, the fireworks happened to be set off near a roost of a birds. Last year, the birds might have been somewhere else. Birds don't just stay in one place year after year.

Well i live in arkansas and they are saying fireworks on the news it very well could be the sound waves from fireworkd seeing how tiny and frigile birds are

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

Once again . . . disease does not kill a whole flock of birds, or school of fish, or both . . . all at the same time.

You are assuming that this is impossible. To jump to conclusions and declare that it just doesn't happen may be a bit presumptuous. Do you work in the field? Have you studied the history of mass bird die-offs? Did all the fish and all the birds literally drop dead at the same time, or within hours or days of each other? I guess it's more fun to believe that there's some conspiracy here. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions before all the research is in. I'd much rather look deeper into it, see when, where, and how often these things happen, and then decide what's possible and what isn't.

Here's another fun-filled page with a list of die-offs, including dates and numbers:

USGS quarterly wildlife mortality report for 09

Originally posted by Equinox99
If this was happening all year long I would be worrying. Mass people die during flu season yet no one seems to be yelling CONSPIRACY! The fact that the birds are dying this time of year shows that there is a possibility of a tough disease going around. It could be contracted by the tiniest creatures and moving up the food chain.

I am not saying this isn't important because we need to keep monitoring this in case this problem persists. However if in, let's say, 1 month this stops happening than we would know that it was a virus causing this mess. If animals continue to die off throughout the year than we can start pinpointing what the actual problem is.

These animals aren't showing any strange signs and it isn't the whole nests that are dying. When animals get sick they fly away from the flock so that the flock isn't in any danger. That is why you see them around where they are rather than dying in their nests.

I wouldn't scream panic just yet. The fact that we don't see mass die offs is because the animal would travel far away from the flock to be found. This is life, some species die off and others take their place. This isn't new.

but what if we don't do anything then it is too late ?/ what is the mass die offs start getting out of control ?? then we are f'ed..it would be too late to stop massive damage on the environment

reply to post by Quantum Logic


Dear Sir or Madam

I represent both TPTB and chair their fund raising organization called the NWO. We have noted that you are an insolent little sheeple. Your name, IP, email address, and photograph (taken from the moon) have been cataloged and noted.

We have activated the RFID GPS chemtrail planes to spray you and your home from 40000 feet (don't worry it wont land on anyone but you) so that we can track your movements. If you continue to insist that animals don't die we may have to take further action against you.

Sincerely

TPTB

ps
we figured out how to get our mind control through the foil hats a long time ago

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by Tsuki-no-Hikari
Forget it. I give up.



This is why I've come to hate ATS. People are so determined to cling to their conspiracies that they ignore everything that contradicts them. They make ridiculous demands for evidence and yet refuse to believe it when it is presented to them. They put words in others peoples' mouths and make straw man arguments when they don't actually have anything to support their own side of the argument?

Remember the pole shift (due to Planet X) that didn't happen in 2003? Remember the bird flu pandemic that didn't happen a few years ago? Remember the mandatory vaccinations that didn't happen last year? Remember how the LHC didn't destroy the Earth once it got turned on? Remember all the concern over earthquakes in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 etc. etc. and how they never turned out to be anything out of the ordinary? Have you noticed how ATS continues to proclaim gloom and doom and yet NOTHING has come of it?

THAT is what this bird nonsense is. It's ATS sensationalizing everything it can get its paranoid little hands on. I'm not saying everyone does this, but an alarmingly large number of people will believing anything that pops up on here. I hope people look back on this in a few months and realize how stupid it was to make a big deal out of this.



I do think it's finally time for me to quit this lunacy. See you, ATS. I'm glad to be rid of you.

This is why I've come to hate ATS. People are so determined to cling to their conspiracies that they ignore everything that contradicts them.

You do realize this ATS right a site full of conspiracies i believe the mainstream news media is working along with the pentagon if you don't believe you can find it out for yourself on your own.

the problem with the mainstream media they mix in lies in there reports, mix in lies and half truths in other reports so you really cant believe it all.


Are you actually believing that we are heading into a recovery? and the recession is really over.
To tell you the truth the recession isn't over.

THAT is what this bird nonsense is

Oh really? check the breaking news sections the massive dies offs are still happening.

You two appear to be alhpa males trying to over alpha each other all I can say from reading both your post is LOLOL