Debunking Misconceptions About the Electric Universe

Many of you may be familiar with electric cosmology from these series of videos or my blog posts on the subject:

Thunderbolts of the Gods
Universe The Cosmology Quest Part 1
Universe The Cosmology Quest Part 2

Physicist Wal Thornhill covers many of the misconceptions about Electric Universe theory in this video:


For a huge list of reasons why EU theory is a superior theory, please review the evidence presented here.

The M87 galactic jet has been observed to eject matter at speeds faster than the speed of light. Theories proposing orientation as a solution for this do not agree well with observation. Peratt has shown how charged plasma can account for all observations of the M87 galactic jet without the need to invoke ‘black holes’. Indeed, Peratt’s theory, which is based on Alfven’s work, can account for the double jets we observe in some AGNs – which I believe remains unexplained in the standard model. Double radio sources were predicted by Alfven before their discovery" fascistsoup.com...

Forget mars we need to see whats up over here .

"In pictures taken by the Hubble Space Telescope in 1999, the motion of Messier 87's jet was measured at four to six times the speed of light. This motion may be a visual result of the relativistic velocity of the jet, and not true superluminal motion" - en.wikipedia.org...


This better be a glitch of some sort because last time i checked we had a constant speed limit

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yeah, the idea that the M87 is a jet from a black hole is ridiculous on its face.

These are very good videos. I can see the archetypes represented throughout mythology around the world, not just as put forth by Talbot, planets up close, but really as a living library passed on to future elites in plain sight, but shrouded in mythology and religions to the common folk, showing EU theory, plasmology, and cataclysms by lineups and influences of bodies on each other. This puts all the religious and mythology into the dual role of controlling myths to the people, and an encyclopedia of knowledge to those in the know. From the eye in the hand, to the Buddists 5 fingers hiding the link to the 8 spikes of the dharmic wheel, all kinds of information has buried, the Electric Universe, Plasma Discharges and even Cataclysms.

The archtype, of the Golden Age, a time associated with abundance for all, is actually a code for NWO, the disasters that take place before a new age emerges. For, the silliness of being asked to believe that all the people of the world looked up in the sky and witnessed right up close these planetary allignments creating beautiful plamsic changes, is absurd. That would be major cataclym on levels beyond supporting life on earth at all. Those golden age myths are signifying, probably from a distance, planetary lineups and even comets,where the energy is the thunderbolt or weapon to the world. And it becomes very apparent that every age, had astronomers working for the king and priest class, noting these things.

These are outstanding videos.

From it:



Debunking Misconceptions About the Electric Universe - PART ONE

One by one taking common misconceptions and clearing it up. For example one of the misconceptions:

----Misconception: No evidence exists for electric currents across interplanetary, interstellar, or intergalactic distances:

Quite incorrect. One of the key signatures of an electric current is the magnetic field that it generates. And once we got spacecrafts outside the earth's environment, into space, what we found is that its threaded with magnetic effects.

And when radio astronomers looked at objects in deep space the thing that they discovered and which was unexpected is that they were receiving radio signals which showed that there were magnetic fields, threading galaxies and also associated with stars, stellar births, and so on

So these magnetic fields are the signature of electrical activity in space.

Unfortunately there was a motion that gained currency in the early days of space exploration that is that plasma, that is the all pervading thin material in space was a super conductor.

Now it is true that it is an extremely good conductor, however in space it is unable to carry much current because it needs particles to carry that current, so the density is too low and also the fact that the plasma is radiating radio signals shows that its losing energy and therefore is not a superconductor . It cannot maintain the magnetic field without electric power being supplied.

So, from these simple points of view, we have plenty of evidence of electric currents in space.

Also, these:


The Lightning-Scarred Planet Mars -- Part One


SYMBOLS OF AN ALIEN SKY — Selections (1)

Once that cross displinary venture took off between history/mythology and plasmology, it all just started making real sense. I'm not a mathematician, and yet now, cross referencing is obvious, and really illustrates the science.

Tell me one reason I should spend any time researching the core points of the EU theorist's community. You all think you are smarter than Einstein and mainstream cosmology numbering in the millions of cosmos observed and laboratory tested results?

I think anyone with the time to develop a blog on the internet outside of his employment and life's work, is not qualified to address time from me. Unless I guess it's a high school project.

Electricity is a byproduct of mass, gravity in the macro, not the other way around. Fail.

I still do not see any current lines carried to or from the Sun to any other planetary body.

The planets' magnetism is created by their iron core, turning the planet into a giant dynamo. There are planetary bodies out there completely devoid of a magnetic field, because they don't have an iron core.

Furthermore, electricity cannot just propagate in the emtpy space. If there is no medium, then electrons cannot flow.

Finally, there is absolutely zero evidence for electric plasma jets coming in and out of our Sun, or any other body of our solar system.

Edit:

Magnetism and gravity are unrelated. Gravity is the carvature of spacetime due to mass. It has nothing to do with magnetism or electricity.

I think EU is an epic fail that cannot stand even the slightest test of logic.

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Dogma. Also very unusual from a scientific viewpoint, because its all about enquiry. I grew up with those kind of science minds in the family.

It answers the questions with a better fit, and explains the astonishing things discovered. Gravity is a weak force, and is most likely a byproduct of electrical unbalance between positive and negative charges. All of matter is comprised of positive and negatively charged particles that do not balance out, in orbits and the cosmos, bodies interact with each other. In this way, its a byproduct and not the primary.

The array of Xrays, gamma rays and plasmic energetic nebulas and signs of magnetic fields in space, space not exactly a vacuum but filled with charged particles.
Magnetism is ALWAYS a product of electricity.

No one would ever try to force someone to grow and examine more theories than just his favorite, despite the fact that theories are not factual items, however, that would be like trying to convince someone to not waste any of his precious time on determining whether the world is flat or round, or orbits the sun, though there is some debate about movement itself, and other things in more theories, ie. holographic interpretations of the universe, and movement or, snapshots appearing and reappearing as something new is added to the picture/page. So many theories really. But having the wish or excitement of discovery is an individual choice Stating theories as facts to disprove other theories, that bring lots to the table isn't logic in my mind.

Plasmology is quite a science in itself, it might be worth looking at what it can bring to the table, along with symbols of ancient history, because they connect up.


Plasma Physics' Answers to the New Cosmological Questions by Dr. Donald E. Scott - Full Video

From their very clarifying selection of images in the series of videos produced the following should help demonstrate this.

Galaxies immersed high energy waves.

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Radio signals show magnetic fields:

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Comparisons of Electrical Plasma Discharges and Archetypes in Mythology found the world over:

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Note one of the sidetrips they took in the space age was to think of plasma as some kind of super conductor but its not, it emits radio and gamma rays so its diminishing. The elctrical exchanges and discharges between charged bodies create plasma, and plamsa's can interact as well. And are conductors.

The EU covers and fits much info together, experimentally. Its the obvious fit.

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star and flag, thanks for the thread.
This topic has recently become an interest of mine and i am glad to have as much information about it as possible.

Originally posted by masterp
I still do not see any current lines carried to or from the Sun to any other planetary body.

The planets' magnetism is created by their iron core, turning the planet into a giant dynamo. There are planetary bodies out there completely devoid of a magnetic field, because they don't have an iron core.

Furthermore, electricity cannot just propagate in the emtpy space. If there is no medium, then electrons cannot flow.

Finally, there is absolutely zero evidence for electric plasma jets coming in and out of our Sun, or any other body of our solar system.

Edit:

Magnetism and gravity are unrelated. Gravity is the carvature of spacetime due to mass. It has nothing to do with magnetism or electricity.

I think EU is an epic fail that cannot stand even the slightest test of logic.

edit on 30-7-2011 by masterp because: added further comments

perhaps you just need the right information to base you ideas on. While i can neither prove or disprove any evidence for or against EU theory there is, in contradiction to your comments, much evidence supporting the idea, try these links perhaps there is information you have not concidered yet?

Sciencedaily.com
NASA

or look into the century old ideas of Kristian Birkeland to see how long these ideas have been around, i was surprised to see that even in the 60's The navy seems to have at least confirmed some of his research...

In 1916, Birkeland was probably the first person to successfully predict that the solar wind behaves as do all charged particles in an electric field: "From a physical point of view it is most probable that solar rays are neither exclusively negative nor positive rays, but of both kinds"[6] In other words, the Solar Wind consists of both negative electrons and positive ions.

Kristian Birkeland and his terrella experimentBirkeland suggested that polar electric currents -- today referred to as auroral electrojets—were connected to a system of currents that flowed along geomagnetic field lines into and away from the polar region. He provided a diagram of field-aligned currents in his book, The Norwegian Aurora Polaris Expedition 1902-1903. This diagram is reproduced on the back of the bank note in the lower right corner. This book contains chapters on magnetic storms on the Earth and their relationship to the Sun, the origin of the Sun itself, Halley's comet, and the rings of Saturn. Birkeland's vision of field-aligned currents became the source of a controversy that continued for a quarter of a century, because their existence could not be confirmed from ground-based measurements alone.

The proof of Birkeland's field-aligned currents could come only from observations made above the ionosphere with satellites. A magnetometer onboard a U.S. Navy navigation satellite launched in 1963 observed magnetic disturbances on nearly every pass over the high-latitude regions of the Earth. The magnetic disturbances were originally interpreted as hydromagnetic waves, but it was soon realized that they were due to field-aligned or Birkeland currents.

Also concerning Einstein. Another thing must be noted. Velikovsky's predictions of Jupiter emitting radio waves. It convinced Einstein of the merit of Velokovsky's ideas and he called for experimental work to address this but it fell on deaf ears.

www.grazian-archive.com...

From about the time of the 1953 Forum address, through 1954, and into 1955 up to the time of Einstein's death, he and Velikovsky carried on private debate oral, and written, on the issue of colliding worlds and the merits of an electromagnetic solar system. Einstein remained adamant in his conviction that sun and planets must be electrically neutral and space must be free of magnetic fields and plasma. Yet when he learned only days before his death, that Jupiter emits radio noise, as Velikovsky had so long insisted, he offered to use his influence in arranging for certain other experiments Velikovsky had suggested. It was too late. When Einstein died, Worlds in Collision lay open on his desk. ....

I take it that Einstein was interested in truth more than theories, and the theories where put forth without additional information that when discovered made the source of the accurate predictions (EU theory) worth looking into.

EU has predicted other things ahead of time that seemed mysterious according to current views.

science.nasa.gov...

Magnetic Portals sun to earth.


Magnetic Portals Connect Sun to Earth

www.thunderbolts.info...

So, how does one decipher the non-electrically-minded jargon?

Mainstream version:
Imagine a pipe.
Imagine that this pipe is filled with "hot gas" moving 50,000 kilometers per hour.
Imagine that this pipe is not made of metal but a transparent magnetic field.
Call these imaginary pipes 'flux tubes.'


Plasma / Electric Universe version:
Substitute the word 'plasma' for 'hot, electrically charged gas.'
Understand that differential net motion of charged particles constitutes an electric current.
Understand the relationship between electricity and magnetism.
Understand that a long straight electric current creates a long cylindrical magnetic field around it.
There is no 'pipe.' There is an electric potential (electric field, voltage drop); there is a current (differential flow of charged particles); the current creates a magnetic field around it (the illusory / illusionary 'pipe').
'Flux tubes' are little more than electric currents surrounded by their own magnetic fields.

www.nowpublic.com...

In the half-century following Explorer 1, almost all the great surprises of space age exploration of the solar system have involved electromagnetic activity. We now know that the Earth is surrounded by a complex structure of magnetic fields and high-speed charged particles that include streams of electric current around the Earth. This structure has been named the "magnetosphere" under the assumption that it forms the boundary between the Earth's and the Sun's magnetic fields.

However, comets form similar protective sheaths, visible as their comas, without having magnetic fields. In a plasma discharge most objects naturally form a Langmuir plasma sheath that prevents direct contact with the enveloping plasma. Magnetospheres are merely a more complex form of Langmuir sheath, with the magnetic field of the body trapped within the sheath. If standard theory failed to anticipate these discoveries, surely the primary reason lies in the failure to recognize that planets are embedded in a solar electric discharge and consequently enveloped by Langmuir sheaths.

For these reasons, the original contributions of Kristian Birkeland should no longer be ignored.

Source: thunderbolts.info

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Sun and Earth Electrically Connected By "Magnetic Portals" | NowPublic News Coverage www.nowpublic.com...

Its seems that we're connected to the Sun. Also, filaments are found everywhere outside our atmospheres, the discoveries of what has been obverved, the obvious connections ot certain bodies of science, whereas mainstrain seems to be more a vehicle to suppress truth, just shows that we're being kept out of what they know but aren't sharing.

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What you explain in the micro does not relate to the macro. Gravity is the strongest force in the macro, maybe the weakest of the 4 forces in the micro, the two are unrelated. Stop trying to join the two, mass changes everything.

Originally posted by Illustronic
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What you explain in the micro does not relate to the macro. Gravity is the strongest force in the macro, maybe the weakest of the 4 forces in the micro, the two are unrelated. Stop trying to join the two, mass changes everything.

According to some the two are not entirely unrelated and there is continuing research on the matter as well as some indication that they may yet be more closley related than most would like to beleive.

Time magazine article

other research

Here's a real humbling thought. Looking at all the plasmic discharges found as archetypes in mythology for ages, and discoveries of the Egyptian lightbulb, the Vedic deep space observation equipment..................it leads to the inescapable conclusion, that we're late comers in discovering this, other cycles of humans have already done so, well, perhaps, right on time, as the masses and the elite were seemingly always on different rungs of the ladder.

In other words this is reinventing the wheel somewhat as the past has warned the future and written the libraries of codes in symbology, myth and religions.

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In plasmology laboratories, can duplicate observed phenomena, predict it, reversing As Above So Below, well they do go hand in hand.

Black Holes Plasma Cosmology Electric Universe Astronomy

First he examines what currently goes on in theories never observed or proven surrounding Black Holes, and then, he switches to Plasma Science.

---Astronomers who are familiar with plasma and electromagnetism can generate all the observed phenomena (including the big surprises and contradictions) in a plasma lab with the plasma focus device.

A plasmoid forms and stores energy at the focus of the discharge. When the plasmoid reaches a critical energy level, it discharges its energy in a collimated jet along its axis in the form of electromagnetic radiation and neutrons.

----Electromagnetic forces are 10 the 39 times more powerful than gravity!

Plasma phenomena are also scalable over at least 14 orders of magnitude, and probably 28 or more!

---The plasma gun is a simple plama focus device, consisting of two metal tubes, one inside the other.
They have been successful in concentrating plasma discharges during at least three deades of research.

Switching over to the plasma gun and his words "looking down the barrel", I found some interesting information, comparative pictures of this and observed phenomena is available.

www.plasmacosmology.net...
Compare the images of “looking down the barrel of a plasma gun” with various phenomena., such as

the 3D view of the cosmic plasma gun, the M1 Pulsar.

Looking down the barrel of Nebula NGC 6751.

www.thunderbolts.info...

Compar images again of

Left: Gamma Ray Burst (GRB) 110328A. Right: Plasma focus penumbra and filaments.
Credit: (L) NASA/Swift/Stefan Immler. (R) Focus Fusion Society.
 …..


It is not a black hole that is forming the structures around the GRB. Near the center of the Milky Way, and presumably in the centers of all galaxies, there is an abundance of electromagnetic energy. There might be 28 filamentary strands (or 56, or 49 or some other number discussed by Alfvén, Peratt, Thornhill, and others) in the penumbral cloud of stars and nebulae that have been energized by the plasma gun effect.
Birkeland currents enable electricity to move great distances through space in a manner analogous to power transmission lines on Earth. Plasma is compressed within the vortical filaments in long lines extending out from the galactic nucleus. Sometimes the "lines" are seen in galactic images as "bars" that spin at right angles to the current flowing out of the central bulge. It is in the most dense current flows where stars form. GRBs are not created by gravitational forces, but by the electric nature of the Universe and the way that moving plasma behaves in a magnetic field.

There are not only other explanations that explain the observable cosmic artifacts very well, but are able to be obtained experientially, hands on, and predict very well what will be found. In addition, the other pieces add up, such as comets and the many varied findings.

Also when NASA released info on the magnetic portals they failed to give credit to the Norwegian scientist who had predicted all of this and more including the energetic exchanges with comets:
Kristian Birkeland

www.plasma-universe.com...

EU has no explanation for galactic rotation. EU believes gravity cannot coalesce hydrogen gas into a star. Gravitational attraction is infinite, though dissipates exponentially from the mass, and in the absence of anything else, gravity will attract, yes even hydrogen gas in a vacuum.

Those two core beliefs in EU I have a big problem with. If I misrepresent the EU folks sorry, I lose interest reading their scenarios. When I find I have time with nothing better to do, I may read some of the Thunderbolts and Unicorns site to see what's up with them, and why they act so arrogant. They are akin to people misrepresenting what they believe they should see in moon hoax landing photographs. Looks like, nah it doesn't make sense the way they explane!! I get irritated by such things like' it looks like' crap.

Electrical impulses and magnetism are byproducts of gravitational forces in the macro, not the other way around.

The buildup of the mass created by the gravitational force initiates atomic fusion that creates heavier elements than hydrogen, that creates us, not static electricity.

Originally posted by Illustronic
EU has no explanation for galactic rotation. EU believes gravity cannot coalesce hydrogen gas into a star. Gravitational attraction is infinite, though dissipates exponentially from the mass, and in the absence of anything else, gravity will attract, yes even hydrogen gas in a vacuum.

Those two core beliefs in EU I have a big problem with. If I misrepresent the EU folks sorry, I lose interest reading their scenarios. When I find I have time with nothing better to do, I may read some of the Thunderbolts and Unicorns site to see what's up with them, and why they act so arrogant. They are akin to people misrepresenting what they believe they should see in moon hoax landing photographs. Looks like, nah it doesn't make sense the way they explane!! I get irritated by such things like' it looks like' crap.

Electrical impulses and magnetism are byproducts of gravitational forces in the macro, not the other way around.

The buildup of the mass created by the gravitational force initiates atomic fusion that creates heavier elements than hydrogen, that creates us, not static electricity.

I think in order to "deny ignorance" as well as arrogance, the time should be taken to do some research on the matter.
Not only have these ideas been around for a long time but they have not been "debuked" in the 100+ years they have been postulated. In fact they only seem to be gaining ground, with the exception of a few hardcore skeptics, and have even become intertwined with string theory/M-theory as well as GR.
Please look into these links as they have an abundace of information to concider, i would like to hear your opinion of some of the ideas presented, which include the translation of electrical charges into motion as well as the idea that gravity itself is an electrical force.
EU relation to string/M-theory

One of the most remarkable predictions of String Theory is that space-time has ten dimensions! At first sight, this may be seen as a reason to dismiss the theory altogether, as we obviously have only three dimensions of space and one of time. However, if we assume that six of these dimensions are curled up very tightly, then we may never be aware of their existence. Furthermore, having these so-called compact dimensions is very beneficial if String Theory is to describe a Theory of Everything. The idea is that degrees of freedom like the electric charge of an electron will then arise simply as motion in the extra compact directions! The principle that compact dimensions may lead to unifying theories is not new, but dates from the 1920's, since the theory of Kaluza and Klein.

Article from 2006
sorry for the long quote but i assure you it is only a portion of a very interesting article i found, i would love to hear others input on the information here.

Neither Einstein's relativity nor quantum mechanics are physics so we cannot use them as a foundation for our new model (although we should find that the mathematics that works in the real world still applies). We have to discard "modern" physics and return to the classical physics of a century ago. This, perhaps, is the greatest hurdle – to discard our training and prejudices and to approach the problem with a beginner's mind.

The "something absolutely fundamental" that is missing in our explanation of gravity and quantum behavior is the electrical structure of matter. Here we are not talking about negative electrons and positive atomic nuclei. We must "go down" one more level and propose that all subatomic particles, including the electron, are resonant structures of electric charges of opposite sign that sum to the charge on that particle.

The electron is not a fundamental, point-like particle.4 It must have structure to provide its dipole magnetic field. There must be orbital motion of charges within the electron to generate the magnetic dipole. The transfer of electrical energy between the charges in their orbits must be resonant and near-instantaneous for the electron to be a stable particle. The same model applies to the proton and the neutron. This model satisfies Einstein's view that there must be some lower level of structure in matter to cause resonant quantum effects.

We cannot have a theory of everything until we have a workable concept of the structure of matter that satisfies the observation that inertial and gravitational mass are equivalent. When we accelerate electrons or protons in an electromagnetic field they become less responsive to the fields the more they are accelerated. This has been interpreted as an increase in mass. However, charges have no mass. So how do they give the electron, proton and neutron the property of mass?

The accelerating electromagnetic field will distort the orbits of charges within the electron or proton. It seems the more distorted a particle becomes, the more easily the energy supplied to accelerate the particle is assimilated in further distortion rather than in acceleration. Hence the apparent increase in mass. The inertial mass of a particle is a measure of the degree to which it responds to an electric field by distorting rather than accelerating. It implies the charge centers of a proton at rest have to be separated more than those in an electron at rest. That allows the proton to distort more readily than an electron in the same electric field and accounts for their differences in size and mass.

"What we call mass would seem to be nothing but an appearance, and all inertia to be of electromagnetic origin." – Henri Poincaré, Science and Method.

A neutron combines the charges from a proton and an electron in a barely stable resonance, which decays in minutes. Its decay must have a cause and may involve an interaction with a neutrino. However, when combined with protons it seems neutrons form a new stable resonant structure that serves to bind the protons electrically despite the overall positive charge on the nucleus.

The notion that matter can be annihilated when normal matter meets antimatter is a confusion of language. Matter can neither be destroyed nor created nor can matter be exchanged for energy. Einstein's E = mc2 refers to mass, a property of matter, not matter itself. The mathematical relationship represents the restructuring of resonant systems of charge. What seems to happen in "annihilation" is that the complementary resonant charge structures of a particle and its antiparticle combine so that almost all of the internal energy is radiated away and the combined charges form a new collapsed particle of low internal energy.

The most collapsed form of matter is the neutrino, which has a vanishingly small mass. However, the neutrino must contain all of the charges required to form two particles – a particle and its antiparticle. This symmetry explains why a neutrino is considered to be its own anti-particle. A neutrino may accept energy from a gamma ray to reconstitute a particle and its anti-particle. "Empty space" is full of neutrinos. They are the repositories of matter in the universe, awaiting the burst of gamma-radiation to expand them to form the stuff of atoms. The weird "zoo" of short-lived particles created in particle accelerators and seen in cosmic rays are simply unstable resonant systems of charge.

The equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass implies that gravity is also an electrical force