Liberal Elite perform mass child-rape

reply to post by Billmeister

I think the sexualization of society is leading more kids to be curious in, and desire, sex, even before puberty.

Originally posted by 547000
No, they do it, but they don't try to justify their actions with an appeal to liberties or throwing of the chains of oppression . Are you intentionally missing the point? If you are arguing some conservatives rape kids you'd be right. But I'm saying these people are trying to justify their actions as liberating in some form..

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No, you are missing the point. When a child rapist rapes a child, I could give to #'s what his excuse for it is. Why would it matter to you? If there is child rape equally on both sides, the only reason to focus on one side is politically motivated and hardly seems to involve concern for the kids getting raped. Maybe if you can explain to me why it matters why I should care if a child is raped because someone thinks it is ok to do or because....

someone thinks is ok to do???????????????????

I do not understand why I should give a crap what the excuse for raping a child is. Raping a child is just wrong whatever your reason is. You sound like a Liberal trying to understand why someone does bad things instead of worrying about the fact that a bad thing was done, dontcha?

Ah, deflect. You and so many others just want to bash the OP for bringing up liberals rather than discussing the subject hand. Maybe you'd rather just complain about the problem then understanding why it's there and being aware that more of it will be coming in the future, Ideals are very important to discuss, because they motivate actions. The whole thread you were after my balls for having my opinion, but now that I brought up that they are not just made up and shown to be evident in realtiy you no longer want to discuss it.

I'm not a liberal but a free-thinker.

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Billmeister

 

I think the sexualization of society is leading more kids to be curious in, and desire, sex, even before puberty.

That I do not disagree with.

Only, our discussion was centered on an increase of child sexual abuse and/or sex between adults and children.

The argument could be made, if I follow my previous post that radical conservatism

Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions.

would have maintained the consensual age of 1880's U.S.A that was 12. (Hey, I know this is semantics, but interesting nonetheless don't you think?)
I understand and respect your opinion, my passion for debate leads me to the logical and factual reasoning behind opinions, though in reality, this is only needed when trying to convince others that our opinion is more valid than any other.

very respectfully,
the Billmeister

reply to post by Billmeister


I am only here to defend my opinion, which this one particular poster has been smug about because I have the gall to have such an opinion. In my opinion the ideals of sexual liberalism will lead ultimately to the idea that all humans have sexual autonomy.

Originally posted by 547000
Ah, deflect. You and so many others just want to bash the OP for bringing up liberals rather than discussing the subject hand.

Seriously? I have an issue for being more concerned with child rape than how rapists vote? Yeah, silly me.

Maybe you'd rather just complain about the problem then understanding why it's there and being aware that more of it will be coming in the future, Ideals are very important to discuss, because they motivate actions.

What a complete disconnect with reality that smacks of. I am actually focused on the issue that leads adults to rape children. You want to worry about SOME child rapists because of how they vote without any concern for an entirely different group of people that commit the same crime??????

The whole thread you were after my balls for having my opinion, but now that I brought up that they are not just made up and shown to be evident in realtiy you no longer want to discuss it.

I have never once been anything in relation to your balls. Why does almost every post from you discuss a part of your body no one has any interest in? I was after you to explain any logic behind your "opinion" because you keep stating it as a FACT. Do you know the difference?

I'm not a liberal but a free-thinker.

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Neither for $1000 Alex?

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Billmeister

 

I am only here to defend my opinion, which this one particular poster has been smug about because I have the gall to have such an opinion. In my opinion the ideals of sexual liberalism will lead ultimately to the idea that all humans have sexual autonomy.

With all due respect, I think that you and this "particular poster" are not discussing the same premise.

The original premise dealt with a correlation between a particular political philosophy and an increase in the criminal behavior that is child sexual abuse. (I have already mentioned that the OP was given numerous opportunity to rectify this premise, but instead emphasized it.)

You, on the other hand have rectified the OP to stress a particular philosophy of education, which, in my opinion, is a more rational discussion point. However, the discussion point still deals with a correlation to an increase in the criminal behavior that is child sexual abuse.

The discussion now seems to be one of age of consent, which is a basic philosophical discussion on free thinking. For instance, in the U.S.A. the government has stated that at age 18 someone has gained free thought to chose their public representative, but 21 must be achieved for them to be considered free thinking enough to consume alcohol. No serious philosopher has ever argued that one comes out of the womb with free thought.

As I pointed out earlier, the conservative society of the 1880's considered that at 12 years of age a person had attained the level of free thought required for sexual autonomy.

This is a very interesting debate indeed, but very far from the original OP, and your original premise that deals specifically with a correlation to an increase in the criminal behavior that is child sexual abuse.

the Billmeister

Then again, perhaps I am the one who is misunderstanding the discussion points... if so I apologize.

reply to post by Billmeister


Pretty sure you nailed it. What it is we are looking at is the result of two different people applauding each other's efforts for the want of a shared ideal. Unfortunately, as each of their actually seperate but similar premises fall apart when held to the light that burns away anything but opinion it has shifted a little here. A little there. The idea that Liberalism is logically leading to an ever increasing reduction in AOC to a point pre-pubescent just only seems to work as long as you toss out a lot of evidence. Here is where we end up. This poster is of the opinion that liberalism will lead to underage sex being accepted as normal. That is this poster's opinion and that is all. As you have pointed out, it is not in accordance with history nor is it born out of present facts. It took a lot of twisting but finally we got to it. He just kinda thinks liberals are gonna lower that age of consent. I tend to not agree. I was pursuing any type of valid argument that might help me rethink my opinion but it seems none was here to have. Congratulations on having more patience with people who honestly admit they are more worried about the voting than the raping. You are a far better person than I.

reply to post by Sinnthia


Read the original post. The link too. The original post was about the consequences of sexual liberation and liberal values. But most of you people took it as an insult to liberals and rather than stay on topic you went entirely off it and decided to post about conservative rapists, even the OP constantly kept saying that wasn't what the topic at hand. Don't like rapists? Good for you. But quit muddying the issue. This thread isn't about that. Stop equating what we're discussing with liberals=rapists because you don't like the idea of someone pointing out that sexual liberation can be used to rationalize actions. If you want to post in a thread where all posters want to do is bash bad people rather discuss why or for what reason open a thread in social issues or philosophy and metaphysics or something.

It's unbelievable that you can't still see that these adults abused these kids because of the logical consequences of the ideology they believed in, which is sexual liberation. You just seem to want to write it off as "they're nuts" and walk away. This IS discussing why these adults did it. I can't tell if you're really this thick or being disingenuous because you think sexual liberation iis a good thing. Or perhaps it is that you are completely incapable of discussing this matter or even perceiving the issue. If that is the case, we have nothing to discuss.

Every head of figure of speech? It is fact because I just demonstrated it's observation but you refuse to accept any facts or reasoning. I hope that non politically-affiliated people and liberals alike are reading this. The latter especially, so they can stop putting up their emotional defenses and see as plain-as-day that having any emotional ties with partisan politics seems to render you incapable of even perceiving things you don't like to think about. If you still can't see the issue, it's definitely you, not me. It's as frustrating as trying to describing color to a blind person.

No thanks, I will never be a liberal again. I cannot think about things carefully and agree with the viewpoints of liberalism, It's all about emotional narcissism. I would even rather be a conservative than be known as a liberal,

Originally posted by Billmeister


My opinion, which differs from that of the OP, is that examples can be found on all sides of the political spectrum of such institutionalized, perverted behavior.

Trying to create a political schism to something as important to eradicate as child abuse is misplaced energy.

You and your pals dont get it. The pedophilia that comes from the "sexual liberation" philosophy is different than the pedophilia that comes from conservative catholics. From catholics it comes from repression and in liberals it comes from lack of restraint. As long as "liberals" are in denial, none of this will get solved and the next time mass-rape happens due to left-wing philosophy they will again say

"How could that have happened?"

reply to post by Billmeister


This has nothing to do with liberalism increasing child crime rate. My only opinion is that human sexual autonomy as an ideal is inevitable, and that it is a logical consequence of the goals of sexual liberation. It relates to the OP that it was leftwingers who supported that. The followed the ideology and it lead them to that logical conclusion. This has nothing to do with sex crime rates increasing because of liberalism, but that the idea that the child can have sexual autonomy is something that can be derived from ideals typically viewed as liberal. They were following the logical consequences of those ideals.

Originally posted by 547000
It's unbelievable that you can't still see that these adults abused these kids because of the logical consequences of the ideology they believed in, which is sexual liberation.

It is unbelievable you think they abused these kids for any reason other than their desire to abuse these kids and focusing on which way they vote only keeps you focusing on half the people that abuse kids instead of all child abuse. No one rapes anyone ever because of how they vote. Get off it. People who abuse kids, want to abuse kids and will use any excuse to do it.

If anything, this thread proves exactly that. Conservatives have found a set of conservative excuses for child abuse. Liberals have liberal excuses for for child abuse.

I could care less about their excuses. You focus on that.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Billmeister


My opinion, which differs from that of the OP, is that examples can be found on all sides of the political spectrum of such institutionalized, perverted behavior.

Trying to create a political schism to something as important to eradicate as child abuse is misplaced energy.

You and your pals dont get it. The pedophilia that comes from the "sexual liberation" philosophy is different than the pedophilia that comes from conservative catholics. From catholics it comes from repression and in liberals it comes from lack of restraint. As long as "liberals" are in denial, none of this will get solved and the next time mass-rape happens due to left-wing philosophy they will again say

"How could that have happened?"

Please read and respond to my other comments, where I explained my viewpoint very clearly, for I fear you do not understand it.

I do not follow your logic that there exists different forms of pedophilia, and that one would be worse than another, could you please clarify this.

Please post source examples of "mass rape due to left-wing philosophy".

I will not be able to respond until tomorrow, but will respectfully respond to any intelligent discussion points you may add.

the Billmeister

reply to post by Sinnthia


The get off this thread and make a thread about how evil these men are where everyone can beat the dead horse together. Let this discussion stay and the next time an ideologically motivated child assault case happens we have this thread to bump up and continue the discussion.

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

The get off this thread and make a thread about how evil these men are where everyone can beat the dead horse together.

I originally lost interest when I realized it was a factless rant against American Liberals based on somet people in some other countries. Then it got funny. I think I will stay and continue to challenge you both on your premises.

Let this discussion stay and the next time an ideologically motivated child assault case happens we have this thread to bump up and continue the discussion.

I am doing nothing to make the discussion go away, now am I? By all means, pick and choose all the child rapes you want to in order to justify demonizing an ideology. You sound a lot like the people that hope that pedophillia guide author would rape a child just so he can go to jail.

Pedophiles and psychos find sources to feed their demons.

Really doesn't matter WHERE. If they find an in, they use it. Simple as that.

Originally posted by alysha.angel
WTF!
first allow me to blame the parents for sending their kids off to a hell like this . next id really would love to have blow the whole damn school to kingdom come . with the headmasters and teachers in it ..

in all seriousness leave the kids ALONE

The sexual perversion of the liberal elite has gone global and hides behind the facades of of many institutions.
You received only three stars???
Yet electricones and reptiles get constellations of stars
Makes you wonder if there are graduates of this German school here on ATS

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Billmeister

 

This has nothing to do with liberalism increasing child crime rate. My only opinion is that human sexual autonomy as an ideal is inevitable, and that it is a logical consequence of the goals of sexual liberation. It relates to the OP that it was leftwingers who supported that. The followed the ideology and it lead them to that logical conclusion. This has nothing to do with sex crime rates increasing because of liberalism, but that the idea that the child can have sexual autonomy is something that can be derived from ideals typically viewed as liberal. They were following the logical consequences of those ideals.

Once again, I thank you for the courtesy of responding.

I fear that the premise of this discussion is constantly changing, so I cannot, without having it clearly defined, intelligently discuss it.

Just to be clear, you say

This has nothing to do with liberalism increasing child crime rate.

I was not referring to child crime rate (which could be shoplifting by a 10 yr old), I was referring to sexual abuse against children. If, in fact, this is just a typo, as I suspect, then why this response in another post?

Let this discussion stay and the next time an ideologically motivated child assault case happens we have this thread to bump up and continue the discussion.

(bold mine)

Do you understand my confusion?

Again, if the original premise was:

My only opinion is that human sexual autonomy as an ideal is inevitable, and that it is a logical consequence of the goals of sexual liberation.

Then the entire debate is a different one, and I have been discussing a premise which correlated political ideology with criminal behavior, specifically child sexual abuse. (For the record see the OP's latest post where they confirm this as their premise once again.)

sincerely,

the Billmeister

Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by Billmeister

 

Pretty sure you nailed it. What it is we are looking at is the result of two different people applauding each other's efforts for the want of a shared ideal. Unfortunately, as each of their actually seperate but similar premises fall apart when held to the light that burns away anything but opinion it has shifted a little here. A little there. The idea that Liberalism is logically leading to an ever increasing reduction in AOC to a point pre-pubescent just only seems to work as long as you toss out a lot of evidence. Here is where we end up. This poster is of the opinion that liberalism will lead to underage sex being accepted as normal. That is this poster's opinion and that is all. As you have pointed out, it is not in accordance with history nor is it born out of present facts. It took a lot of twisting but finally we got to it. He just kinda thinks liberals are gonna lower that age of consent. I tend to not agree. I was pursuing any type of valid argument that might help me rethink my opinion but it seems none was here to have. Congratulations on having more patience with people who honestly admit they are more worried about the voting than the raping. You are a far better person than I.

I disagree, I am by no means a better person than you.

I followed your efforts to factually and rationally discuss the ever changing premises, but, such a thing is impossible. I also understood your frustrations of having arguments toward one premise being quoted and countered with a new premise.

This poster is of the opinion that liberalism will lead to underage sex being accepted as normal. That is this poster's opinion and that is all.

The final premise does appear to be based on this opinion, however the correlation between political ideology and criminal behavior keeps sneaking it's way back, and therein lies my confusion.

I do commend you and member 547000 for the debate, unlike the OP, who ignored any serious attempt at discussion, both of you had the respect of responding to each post.

cheers,

the Billmeister

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