ATS Prophets, Let’s Get Rid of Them all!!!

I think the biggest problem with "Predictions" is that someone new to ATS can look at it as a reason to discredit the society of people on here. I think that predictions are really just manifestations of our insecurities and unspoken fears about how we are not really in control and anything is possible to happen. However, I enjoy reading them because it takes a possible scenario and makes it feel real kinda like watching a movie does.

Originally posted by DISRAELI
So how was this one a grey area?
The following is a collection of dreams...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks for the tip-off. You do know that alerting a thread which is in the wrong forum usually gets quick results, right?

reply to post by kevinunknown


I'm going to have to take the opposing side on this one. Free speech and freedom to express oneself is so important as to overshadow the fact some posts might irritate some people.

If I were worried about image, would I be on ATS? No, I would not. Being open minded is why I'm here.

Who am I or You to determine for others what is of interest to them. It's like watching Cable TV, if you don't like the show, change the channel. I'm willing to do that for others as long as they do so for me.

I think those threads are as silly and disingenuous as you do, but I'm willing to stand up for peoples right to express themselves. The Mods do a great job of shutting down the hoaxers and trolls when they can. I also like the fact they give the benefit of a doubt in many cases and don't just shut them down out of hand.

This board has a large population and we need to all be tolerant of others. I have no interest or belief in most of the topics here, but that does not lead me to want them shut down, just to please me. I'd hope others would not want threads I'm interested in taken down because they don't like the same topics or threads.

I'd say use the ultimate power you have within your grasp at all times here. If you don't like the topic, don't click on it or read it. Seems easy enough and leads to everyone getting along.

Other things bother me far more. People who drag their political trolling into threads on other topics for instance. People having childish arguments that go on for page after page, completely hijacking other peoples threads. Intolerant people who instead of letting others express their opinions in honest debate, try to shove their idea's down everyone's throats. People who call people names rather than engage in debate. Those things have grown to bother me the most.

I'd say Religious Hatred and Partisan Hatred are far more destructive than someone making a prediction. Let's rant about that instead. Intolerance of others heartfelt beliefs is the pinnacle of bad behavior. If you ask me its the hateful posts that most demean ATS.

Members that advocate censorship ; Lets get rid of them all!!!

Freedom of speech is great, yes, but to a point. Discrimination, religious hate, partisan hate, all of those things are allowed thanks to freedom of speech. It's a double-standard.

Personal predictions "based" on published ones are still technically personal predictions. If I make a prediction based on revelations, it is still personal. It's my personal prediction and as such would be better off in the dreams and predictions thread.

Lets put it this way, we are supposed to deny ignorance. Most of what people type into the predictions thread isn't even a heartfelt prediction. The guy who predicted an atomic bomb would go off at midnight new years day wasn't making a "real" prediction. He was antagonising. No aliens are controlling minds, no adding in that other seemingly impossible things caused you to come to such a prediction. If people want to post sincere predictions like "I work for a pharmaceutical company and a recent purchase of 30 pounds of dimethylformamide was made by an anonymous buyer after the D.E.A. checked into the buyers credentials. I have a prediction that drug manufacturing in the U.S. will be on the rise in (insert location)."

There we have a viable prediction, may or may not come true. IT could be sincere, and could also be something good to offer to people in that area. That's just the best example I could concoct in 4 seconds. So if it took that short of time to make an example of something that would give credential to a prediction, it is easy to see that the OP's attitude in most cases tends to be "reply once or twice, then disappear". They provide no substantial evidence to support their theory. Starting a prediction off with "As most of you know, for the past 25 years I've been the chosen one, being given information by aliens."

Right there it's become fallacious. It discredits almost everything ATS stands for. By this anyone interested in UFO's, or Illuminati, or 9/11, or anything with actual public appeal, will be cast off as another person who's part of a website that entertains people's fake stories, and allows them to be posted as predictions. It further would infuriate people interested in philosophy, and anyone who enjoys Nostradamus, etc. Anything posted on this website by any member can now be associated to have the same lack of credibility that purposely faked posts for the purpose of invoking responses...

So Kevin, I completely agree with you. Freedom of speech is a great thing, we can't deny that. But come on, certain things need not apply to freedom of speech...

Ye Gads Kevin, are you so sure you are above average intelligence, and the rest of us are what?
What makes people decide that they know best for everybody, including the owners of the free site we all enjoy.
It smacks of some kind of elitism to judge others interests and bents.
Predictions are just that...they are not nessessarily God given proclaimations all the time.
In case nobody has noticed the average age of posters seems to have dropped somewhat over the last few years.
These are some very enthusiatic people who have come on board, and they have a penchant for prophecy of a personal nature.
Television is one form of entertainment i find to be insipid to say the least.The fact that the many of viewers may find the programming both entertaining and uplifting,
makes it tough to find anything to watch that i would call intertesting.
(why do you think im here?)
I have the choice to turn the TV off, and i have the freedom to skip the threads i dont want to read.
Really that is all the rights and priviledges anyone here is alloted.Nor should there be any more.
ATS is a level playingfield for all those who are signed in.Lets try to keep it that way as long as possible.

reply to post by kevinunknown


Yes and you have got to wonder about somebody who says they are going to "call" the date, of "the end of the World". Cracks me up.... no one is going to remain alive to tell that person, they are the greatest psychic that ever lived.

reply to post by kevinunknown


You should start your own forum called< Alone , dull and boring . com

You can't get rid of ATS prophets.

They'd see it coming.

reply to post by kevinunknown


who do you think you are to allow yourself to think that you can decide for people what they want to discuss or not; what they want to believe or not.


me i think you should switch off your computer and get a life

I love the prediction thread. I think predictions are as fun to read as some of the zanier conspiracies. They also seem to hold about the same level of truth and fact checking. I say let 'em stay. I get a good chuckle at worst and and a "That would be cool to see..." at best out of the threads I read.

I would agree with you if they were slammed into the News and General forums, but since they're held off in their own little area of the site, I don't see the harm. I also do not see it being a negative for publicity because most people know exactly what kind of nonsense they'll see the second they look in a prediction thread.

If anything, I see it is showing we do have individuals who are actively engaged in thinking outside of the box and connecting the dots themselves, however misguided some of them may be or how many of dots are not really there.

reply to post by kevinunknown


here's a possible connection I just noticed that might help you figure this one out,

aren't all the 'prophets' fairly young?

maybe its just the younger generations way of dealing with the knowledge that we have technology developed by our forefathers that could wipe us all out if misused. Wouldn't it be fair to say that the older generations have a different relationship with the bombs simply because they were around when it all began?

Maybe people are just freaking out as part of a natural progression, maybe this same thing happened when we invented the gun just on a lesser scale? I mean we don't freak out about guns any more do we? that said we still don't know how to use them responsibly either.

hmm...nope I've got no Idea

-B.M

reply to post by kevinunknown


I can't speak for all of these "prophets", but, I'm sure more than a few of them have low self-esteem or are out of touch with reality. This may cause them to seek attention in a way that could cause people to heap praise on them. I wouldn't go and bash them. I would just ignore them. You could spend the extra time reading threads that are started by people actually searching for the truth in life. Of course, they can be hard to find.

reply to post by XmikaX


He merely called for Predictions/Prophecies to be moved to the Hoax area until they are proven true.

Originally posted by FarArcher
You can't get rid of ATS prophets.

They'd see it coming.

edit on 6-1-2011 by FarArcher because: (no reason given)

Ha! Quote of the day!

Hands down.

I noticed that as I have slept a few people have brought up the “freedom of speech” line with this absurd idea that this would restrict peoples freedom of speech, it wouldn’t, at least not any more than our speech is already restricted. ATS censors, we all know it, this thread being moved could count as censorship, every deleted thread is censorship, every time a mod alters a thread in any way it’s been censored. So if it’s really that big of a problem for you take it up with the mods, getting rid of these “ATS prophets” by moving all their predictions automatically into a hoax forum and applying a three strikes and you’re out system would only be another level of ATS censorship. In addiction this system might actually mean predictions are more accurate predictions(I personally don’t think this is possible) as people would know if they get it wrong three times they will be banned for lying, just like they would in any other forum on ATS.

reply to post by JustinSG


Yup, couldn’t agree more with your first line. Absolute freedom of speech is a lie but that is probably a debate best kept for another time. My views is that is acceptable to restrict freedom of speech to build a more tolerant and prosperous society by passing legislation such as racial equality laws that mean i cant run down the street shouting racist remarks.

In regards to the ATS prophets making us look bad, again I agree this is a conspiracy site and for me conspiracy and paranormal phenomena are very different, claiming to be a prophet most definitely belongs in the paranormal. It really does undermine ATS.

reply to post by stirling


Its not that I am above average intelligence, don’t think I have made such a claim, but anyone who continues to believe in the ATS prophets in spite of the fact that they are always wrong and cannot see why this is a problem for all subsequent prophecies is most defiantly of lower than average intelligence.

reply to post by SimonPeter


I am dull and boring, first time I have been accused of that on ATS. If you actually look over my thread history (you have none) you will see that I have a tendency to discuss issues most other ATSters avoid. Granted that does not make it “interesting” but at least it’s different I will leave it for others to judge if my threads are boring or not.

One thing is for sure, until you bother to actually start writing threads you are in no place to judge my threads, your posts clearly have no substance perhaps that is why you have not threads.

reply to post by FarArcher


They haven’t accurately seen anything coming, so I don’t think they would see this coming.

reply to post by PhantomLimb


the way this guy is putting forward his points is quite problematic to my opinion and to be transparent it is a psychopath that i see in between his lines

he aims to diktat what is and what is not, unfortunately it is quite obvious (to me as imho) that

* from an intellectual perspective he has no real knowledge of science (knowledge as for deep understanding of a methodology, not to confuse with assimilation of theories which is of no use on its own if you pretend to have an analytic mind)
* from a spiritual perspective, well... sorry but i will I insist, he does need to switch off the machine and get a life

reply to post by XmikaX


I think it’s fair to say that anyone with knowledge of science would be well versed in the scientific method which would dictate that if applied to the ATS prophets that I am correct in saying they are all rubbish, continuing to believe in them only shows a level of ignorance.

Everything else you posted was just insults and had no relevance to the OP, you accused me of being a psychopath, why because you disagree with me that does not make me a psychopath it just makes you a really bad debater. I like how you have said “turn of the machine and get a life” twice now, you need to work on some original insults, you might find them if you turn of the machine and get out of the house yourself. Don’t worry about it, regardless of what the ATS prophets might be telling you, there is not going to be a mass reptilian invasion and you’re not going to be dragged off to a FEMA camp.

Try some exercise like the midget in your avatar, he’s got the right idea might help you a bit, bash out some of your stress and that way who knows you might develop some social skills as a result and be able to have a conversation with me without resorting to some very bad insults.

Really if all you can post is rubbish like that don’t bother, it just makes you look silly.

reply to post by kevinunknown


exactly what i meant...

if you were 'versed' in science as you pretend to be you would know that the main benefit of science is to prove that the previous (commonly believed) science was not correct.

get a life man, leave this board and get a real life before it is too late for you

reply to post by XmikaX



Yes and that is done by applying the scientific method, if you apply the scientific method to ATS predictions you will see that they never come true and as a result one can state that predictions on ATS are rubbish and should be treated as such.

Science is also about reinforcing what is already commonly held has scientific fact. However the nature of prophecies have their foundation in the paranormal and not science, so this debate is really pointless. I honestly get the impression you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, this thread is about ATS prophets and you’re talking about science and repeating the same insult of “get a life man” repeatedly. It’s really boring and not very original you might want to work on that, try some new insult material because this stuff is week.

Question, do you believe the prediction thread on ATS just now about how the world is going to end and there is going to be a magnitude 9+ earthquake in America by the 24th of this month? Is that the problem you have with this, are you one of these people who believes in the prediction threads.