Close To Two Million Fish are found dead in Chesapeake Bay

Close To Two Million Fish are found dead in Chesapeake Bay

www.baltimoresun.com

State officials say they are investigating a "very large" fish kill in the Chesapeake Bay, but suspect cold temperatures killed them, rather than any water-quality problems.

An estimated 2 million fish have been reported dead from the Bay Bridge south to Tangier Sound, according to the Maryland Department of the Environment, which investigates fish kills. The dead fish are primarily adult spot, with some juvenile croakers.

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This is just getting even more creepy and odd as we go along. I'm getting tired of these meteorological explanations. Hail, cold, lightning...

We now have dead fish and birds in multiple US states...

Japan has now reported hundreds of bird deaths...
Brazil has reported over 500 penguin deaths...
New Zealand has reported hundreds of fish dying...
New reports of bird deaths in Sweden...

This is just too complicated and mysterious to be something mundane.

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I agree with you, it's global. It feels like we are in a movie. The people that aren't bothered by this scare me, they don't seem to see the whole picture and how vast it is. Also, this has all happened in a short time period, that I find suspect as well.

It is indeed startling, but what worries me more is the complete lack of coverage on this in the Australian news. Their was a brief story this morning regarding the dead snapper on NZ beaches, which has since been booted from the main page of NEWS.com.au for ....and I quote. "The Hoff - I wanted to bed Pam Anderson", that bothers me more than anything.

It is truly a sad commentary on the interests of the general public, at the very least, here in Australia.

This is getting extremely frightening.

I really have nothing to add to the post. Apologies.

Thanks for the link though

I live in virginia beach on an inlet to the chespeake bay, and I do believe this one could because of the cold. We had a bunch of snow a few weeks ago, way way more than Ive ever seen here and I've lived here all my life.

Before we all hit the panic button let's take a deep breath , calm down and note a very important detail in this admittedly worry some article. 15 million fish died in a similar kill back in good 'ole pre internet / conspiracy theory/ BP oil spill / ATS 1976.


Seriously though. If many more of these alarming bird and fish kills are reported in such high numbers in the coming weeks and months of 2011 I will be among those hitting the panic button until my fingers bleed and TPTB come take me away to the nearest FEMA camp for 'my own safety and protection'.

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I apologize to the moderators again for not having done my intro. I did not plan on posting for awhile and wanted to get a better sense of the site.

I would like to ask a question. What can kill fish and birds and not land animals? Is there anything that can do this in a manner that is unintentional? I don't think so. This is either a natural thing or not. Disease will not kill a whole school of fish or flock of birds at the same time. Pollution won't do it to both birds and fish at the same time. If it were natural it would have to be related to some temperature thing; but, that is not what happened. The first birds died from blunt force trauma and blood clots. Lets follow the blood clots. What can intentionally be done to create blood clots to a flock of birds that covers over a mile?

If someone says HAARP, I may scream. HAARP does not create blood clots. I suspect microwaves. I may be wrong and am more than willing to be corrected; however, the government has DEFINATELY experimented with microwaves and even created a cannot to knock people down with them.

IF, and it is an if, it is microwaves then the next question is why? By the way, the other answer is God is doing it. I want to follow the microwave question first although I am not immune to a God answer. I am just writing here, just some questions. The government might experiment; but, not this many this fast. I see two answers, one is that they want us to think that global warming or some other nonsense caused it. The second answer involves the missile that was shot over Texas.

Diplomacy is warfare by another name. This is an old saying in diplomatic circles. War is seen by leaders as a tool to get what they want. Anything that gets them what they want is warfare. There is something going on behind the scenes and you and I will not be told what it is. The game doesn't work that way.

I have not met an E.T., I don't see ghosts and am not into enlightenment. I did however see my father in his job with the government. Things are not what people think and there are smart people that work or contract with the government. I don't trust anything I read and watch no television. I even work for the government (nothing spooky).

In the end the question is, is this natural or intentional. If you rule out all of natural explanations then these events are intentional. The question does not become how, it becomes why. That is my two cents and we know what that is worth anymore. Be well.

Is anyone here good with maps? I get lost going out my own front door.

If someone could make a globe with pins at the locations I would be grateful, as I’m a visual kind of girl, and I figure if I am there might also be others who would benefit from seeing the locations pinned on a globe as well.

Fish do die of hypothermia....

The weather has been crazy lately. I am a believer of climate change, and these would definitely be the first signs of it. Wild life would start dying off because it can't survive the weather conditions. It has happened in the past, but at lesser scales. If climate change is getting worse, so will the amount of deaths.

I don't believe climate change will cause thousand birds to drop dead from the sky simultaneously. It would be a gradual process. Fish could die due to sudden drops in temprature, however this is also happening on the shores of Brazil and New-Zealand, it's summer over there.

Originally posted by Anodyne
I don't believe climate change will cause thousands of birds to drop dead from the sky simultaneously. It would be a gradual process.

I wasn't talking about the birds. The events between the birds and the fish haven't even been linked together yet. Just because they happened around the same time doesn't mean they are related in any way.

Originally posted by Anodyne
Fish could die due to sudden drops in temprature, however this is also happening on the shores of Brazil and New-Zealand, it's summer over there.

Yes, excessiveness heat can melt the ice in Antarctica and the ice cold water can flow to Brazil and New-Zealand and cause hypothermia for certain fish.

Brazil and New-Zealand are both close to Antarctica.

Monday morning I was awakened by a single thump.. I thought about it for a minute but decided to go back to sleep and did for a couple of hours and it happened again... I got up thinking that a tube type amplifier I use to play blues harp might have been left on and made the noise and got up and checked it but it was off... Again I had just drifted of and the same sound so I got up and went into the den with my shotgun, even going outdoors and looking around to find nothing... I decided I'd just stay up and made coffee, as I was drinking my second cup, wham, a starling had crashed into one of the two windows to my left.... That has happened before but not that many times total in the eleven years I have lived here.... All of the other critters are acting normal.

gift0fpr0phecy, I thought you were referring to the birds aswell because you spoke of wildlife. It's true the deaths of the fish and birds haven't been linked. It seems like a coincidence to me that this is happening around the same time, but that could be all it is, a coincidence with two competely different causes. The death of fish due to sudden drop in temprature does sound like a logical explanation.

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Oh, I did mention wild life. Sorry for the confusion.

As for the birds, I don't think it was a virus because they wouldn't all die at the same time. Also, if you think about it, climate change could effect the weather and the weather could get bad enough to kill birds. Like higher wind speeds and turbulence which could crash birds into objects, and if they are flying in a group they can crash into each other.

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I have a problem with the climate change hypothesis. It would show up on our tracking systems and it didn't. The weather is tracked in the whole world. A sudden change would have been noticed. This is not a sudden drop in temperature. Also, the birds in Arkansas suffered from chest wounds and blood clots. How does temperature do that?

Why is there a rush to find a natural answer or any answer. Let us watch the lies develop and then you know who not to trust. I am not referencing the person I am responding to , it is general comment. Rather than rushing to answers, we should rush to more questions. To say that the birds and fish are just a accident without proof is to ignore an anomaly that deserves to be questioned. Why ignore anomalies?

Anomalies explain the totality of our breadth. Some things don't make sense and the easy or official story is said to calm us. It is said so that don't ask why things happen. An explanation that this is common better come with some that this is common. I never experienced it in my life and I am over 50. Even Charles Fort did not report such things.

Why are we trained to give snap answers rather than snap questions? Why are we trained to give simple answers, quick and comfortable answers. I am not looking to get in an argument. I am asking a valid question. Why assume an anomaly is not? Why not investigate every anomaly and find what the limits of the truth are? There should be a place where anomalies are at least questioned. The answers are never as important as the asking of the question.

Originally posted by AQuestion
I have a problem with the climate change hypothesis. It would show up on our tracking systems and it didn't. The weather is tracked in the whole world. A sudden change would have been noticed. This is not a sudden drop in temperature. Also, the birds in Arkansas suffered from chest wounds and blood clots. How does temperature do that?

Again, I didn't say anything about a drop in temperature effecting the birds. I said a change in temperature would kill the fish, not the birds.

However I did say a change in weather patterns would kill the birds. Actually on Dec. 31, 2010 there was an article about a tornado that killed 6 people in Arkansas.

Midwest storms leave 6 dead, cause widespread damage.

"We are in part of tornado alley," he said. "So even a small storm does a lot of damage."

New Year's Eve tornadoes kill 6 in Ark., Mo.

NW Arkansas tornado kills 3 Jan 01, 2011

There was a series of bad storms passing through, it could have been windy enough to crash birds around and kill them. You can't track every gust of wind, so it could have been sudden and unexpected maybe undetected.

Blood clots are another name for bruises. The birds probably got thrown around crashed into objects causing chest damage and bruises (blood clots).

Originally posted by AQuestion
Why is there a rush to find a natural answer or any answer.

...because the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Also, because people are quick to jump to unfounded conspiracies.

Is there something wrong with trying to find answers? Or contemplate answers?

Originally posted by AQuestion
Let us watch the lies develop and then you know who not to trust. I am not referencing the person I am responding to , it is general comment. Rather than rushing to answers, we should rush to more questions. To say that the birds and fish are just a accident without proof is to ignore an anomaly that deserves to be questioned. Why ignore anomalies?

Anomalies explain the totality of our breadth. Some things don't make sense and the easy or official story is said to calm us. It is said so that don't ask why things happen. An explanation that this is common better come with some that this is common. I never experienced it in my life and I am over 50. Even Charles Fort did not report such things.

Why are we trained to give snap answers rather than snap questions? Why are we trained to give simple answers, quick and comfortable answers. I am not looking to get in an argument. I am asking a valid question. Why assume an anomaly is not? Why not investigate every anomaly and find what the limits of the truth are? There should be a place where anomalies are at least questioned. The answers are never as important as the asking of the question.

Why are you quick to question that it is a conspiracy and not common?

Large amounts of fish have died before, they are very sensitive to temperature changes. Large amounts of birds have died before, storms kill lots of birds.

Actually, I might have been right...

Expert: Storm likely killed thousands of birds

BEEBE, Ark. (AP) - January 3, 2011 -- Scientists are wondering whether fireworks or poison may have caused thousands of birds to fall from the sky in Arkansas. But one expert is sure it was the weather.

The director of Cornell University's ornithology lab says the most likely suspect is violent weather. He says thousands of birds were probably asleep in a single tree when a "washing machine-type thunderstorm" sucked them up into the air, disoriented them, and even fatally soaked and chilled them.

Storm Killed AR Birds

One expert says storm likely killed thousands of birds in Ark.

Lot's of people are reporting that the storms and tornado that happened on New Years caused their deaths.



So let's get back on topic and talk about the fish....

From the OPs source:

'Very large' fish kill reported in bay. Cold believed cause for 2 million dead spot, croakers.

The dead fish are primarily adult spot, with some juvenile croakers.

Spot are susceptible to colder water, she said, and normally leave the upper bay by now. Water temperatures plummeted in late December to near-record lows for that time of year, about 36 degrees.

Large winter kills of spot have been documented at least twice before, the MDE spokeswoman said, with about 15 million dying in early 1976 and a smaller number in 1980.

This has happened before.. The cold has killed lots of fish in the past...

Cold kills fish in Cherry Creek - 10/27/2009

A major fish kill that occurred in Cherry Creek in downtown Denver today was a "natural occurring event," according to Jennifer Churchill of the Colorado Division of Wildlife.

Same thing happened almost exactly a year ago in the beginning of January of 2010...

Record Cold Kills Thousands Of Fish - January 13, 2010

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- As Florida's record cold snap moves out, the impact near-freezing temperatures have had on wildlife continues to threaten the state's fragile ecosystem.

"The problem is the cold weather is altering the oxygen levels in the water, and that's causing the fish to die," he said.

Was it predicted??

Cold Weather May Lead to Florida Fish Kills - Dec. 17, 2010

The recent cold weather in Central Florida has resulted in several cold-related fish kills in Volusia, Brevard and Indian River counties. Chilly winter temperatures can lead to fish die-offs in Florida's marine habitats, rivers and lakes.

Seem's like bad weather, possibly climate change related, is killing the wild life.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by Anodyne
I don't believe climate change will cause thousands of birds to drop dead from the sky simultaneously. It would be a gradual process.

I wasn't talking about the birds. The events between the birds and the fish haven't even been linked together yet. Just because they happened around the same time doesn't mean they are related in any way.

Originally posted by Anodyne
Fish could die due to sudden drops in temprature, however this is also happening on the shores of Brazil and New-Zealand, it's summer over there.

Yes, excessiveness heat can melt the ice in Antarctica and the ice cold water can flow to Brazil and New-Zealand and cause hypothermia for certain fish.

Brazil and New-Zealand are both close to Antarctica.

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But the USA, Sweden, Japan, aren't close.

Come on. This has to be related. You think it's just an odd confidence that massive fish kills and bird kills are happening.

These happen, yes, but they are extremely rare, and happen once every few decades. The fact they're happening simultaneously is ominous.