OBE / Crown Chakra - fear or something else?

I work a graveyard shift on the weekends, and got home early this morning. My girlfriend was in bed, and I wasn't tired enough to fall asleep so I laid next to her and did some meditations.

After a while I had lit and energized all my chakras, and was moving up to my crown. The sensation of bliss was beginning to burst out of my head when all of a sudden I was filled with a repetition of thoughts saying, "he is being really stupid" over and over, and very quickly. Quicker than I can speak in my head, if that makes sense.

I got scared, and became hesitant and stopped. I then lit my body in white and went to sleep.

My question is - what is this? I didn't "feel" any fear or reason not to continue but these thoughts really scared me.

I've been trying for a long time to get past the point I am now.

I've seen some crazy things, and my 3eye is open, but its very fuzzy and I can't focus or navigate(?). I see a lot of small blinking eyes, white dots, and can see things in front of my with my eyes closed (faintly, particularly my own hands).

I've not attained an OBE yet, or been able to 'communicate' with anything.

Any help or advice?

To add a bit more, I've been actively at this for about 6 months. I know that's not a long time in retrospect to the lifetime devotion and commitment that others have given this. But in this short time, I've experienced and learned a lot about the world and how things are.

In addition to lots of meditation, I've studied texts of all sorts. Including most of the non-typical texts online such as the Law of One, hidden-hand, Pleiadians, etc. I've also been reading the various sacred texts, and been studying the Tibetan Book of the dead (including memorizing passages, ie the triple body prayers).

I really think I am ready to experience more, but I can't seem to 'let go'?

Fear holds me back a lot, but I know I have nothing to fear - as even if I were to feel the pain and torment of demons ripping the flesh from my body it doesn't really matter and I'll still be very much alive.

I'm looking for anyone to say anything or show me something to read or to do that might resonate within my mind and be the key that I need, though I'm afraid that I need true one on one meditation with another "initiate" to advance in my spiritual quest?

Is that true? Can I not continue on-ward alone?

Please be careful. If you are doing things that counter act each other - or pushing too fast, you could raise your Kundalini before you are ready. Or experience "running fire" as it is known in Qi Gong. Please do not push, find a good spiritual master and work these energies carefully. Please google about the symptoms of these issues.
Go carefully foward. Qi Gong masters will assume a sort of crouch stance, barefoot on a tree root to ground.
Working Chakras AND studying Tibetian methods, I believe is conflictual. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable then myself will weigh in here.

The mystery school is rarely something you should attempt alone.

Often for beginners it requires a community to embrace you as you learn the beginning stages of what you are trying to accomplish.

The final fear is often your own ego shouting back at you and within our ordinary frame of consciousness it can be extremely convincing and powerful.

What I recommend is not for everyone, but it is akin to a some birds learning to fly, the parent will throw them from the nest.

I call this experience the mystical death. As you are thrown or dragged into the otherworld through a process similar to the dark night of the soul you will eventually fly, as there is no ground to hit in the void.

I've achieved this process many times with visiting shamans from the peruvian traditions as well as through personal breathwork techniques and meditation.

Our species thrives on stress in the moment. Its difficult for us to grow or accept a different perception if we are laying there comfortably in our bed

A Snip on running fire:

There can be Danger in any teaching, but especially in those practices that emphasize the manipulation of Qi or Prana in the form of ascending or descending channels or meridians such as Conception and Governing vessels and the Thrusting Channel (Ch’ung Mo), or focus on energizing specific centers or Chakras in the body as in some of the classic and modern interpretations of the Indian Yogic systems. Perhaps even more disturbing is the common phenomena of energy imbalances that often arise in practitioners of these forms. The level and quality of energy suddenly awakened in these practices is not easily integrated into the student’s body/mind in daily life and may result in mental, emotional or physical disturbances. This has sometimes been described as the Kundalini syndrome within the tradition of Yoga or “Running Fire” by Oriental medicine.

Please pace yourself and take care. I don't know where you are from but we in the "Western World" do not honor these systems with the methodical approach they deserve and have a tendency to rush everything.

Originally posted by TheBirdisDone
Please be careful. If you are doing things that counter act each other - or pushing too fast, you could raise your Kundalini before you are ready. Or experience "running fire" as it is known in Qi Gong. Please do not push, find a good spiritual master and work these energies carefully. Please google about the symptoms of these issues.
Go carefully foward. Qi Gong masters will assume a sort of crouch stance, barefoot on a tree root to ground.
Working Chakras AND studying Tibetian methods, I believe is conflictual. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable then myself will weigh in here.

I agree with the above ....

it is good to find someone who has walked this pathway that can help and guide you.

" When the pupil is ready the teacher will appear "

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Wow you are very, very brave indeed. But you might have a strong constitution. Shamans would have some experience with the mystical. You must as well. I tread slowly - I have felt the Qi and it is very strong indeed. This is my personal preference as yoga does not appeal. I was told by a master to go slow, slow, slow and enjoy the gentle opening. Amazingly more growth seemed to happen after I was told to slow down. What ever the path - it is beautiful and I encourage others to take it. Unfortunately it is hard to find a really good Qi Gong instructor. I am contemplating foreign travel for this.

But you are brave Gradius, Dare say, you must bungee jump too! ;-)
Pushing the fragile out of the nest though, can be painful for the unprepared.

I do not think bravery is required when you walk with absolute trust

My constitution has blessed me in my short life here - for that I am grateful.

There are so many paths to walk in this world to reach the great mystery. We can slowly walk the tight rope, avoiding the ups and downs and hard ships of the ground. We can move as a group, building bridges together to cross the mighty rivers that would hold us back.

The path I have taken is the climb the mountain and leap from its height, eventually learning to soar but it can come with extreme consequence, such as hitting the ground or finding yourself unable to land on solid ground.

Trust the masters who have appeared to you, for surely they are the ones you are meant to be remembering with. If I can attribute any fearlessness to the leaps I take, it must surely be from past life experience in the matter or through the assuring whispers of my ancestors who have come on this path long before me.

Your path is beautiful and one of grace - as we meet I will salute you!

Bungee jumping has never interested me since my joy comes with exploration and overcoming a challenge. To be as prepared as we can is an absolute gift. Thank goodness we have our ancestors to show us the way.


Blessings,

-G

Personally, sometimes but only on rare occasions, that I see a face. At the beginning, just meditating on my lower Chakra, I saw a pair of animal eyes. Nothing so overwhelming. I meditate on all of my chakras and experienced third, fourth, or fifth Kundalini risings. How long is your meditation? I usually spend about 1 hour to 1 hour and a half. Mostly meditating on my lower chakras until they are open, active, or pulsing. I am doing that because I want myself to be well grounded. If I were you, I would spend a lot of time meditating on the lower chakras first. Here is one way you can tell if you are moving too fast. As you open each of the Chakra, do you feel a sense of anxiety as if you are anticipation the Chi energy to rush in? If so, you are probably meditating on the chakra that you should have waited a bit longer. Don't rush as you work on each of the Chakra. Take your time. Dwell on each Chakra. Each Chakra is as important as the third eye and crown. I bet you try to get to the third eye and crown chakras as soon as you can.

I've moved the energy/kundalini to the top of my head before, just once. I saw a faint flash of white for about 2 seconds, it felt incredible. But as soon as it stopped, I was so relaxed. I was literally smiling it felt so good. I drifted off to sleep within seconds. But I didn't hear any voices, just a sound that's similar to what you hear when you yawn (like a water fall/rushing water or a roar).

One time I did hear voices while meditating, but they were just whispers and I couldn't make out what they were saying.

Thank you all for many great replies! Unfortunately none have said what I am hoping to hear.

TheBirdIsDone:

I understand what you speak of, I've read about such misfortunes and none have happened to me. I've been fortunate to feel great amounts of energy all over my body in all my Chakras, and have not yet experienced any pains or running. I have not been egotistic about this, and have been cautioned - but the truth is that I am fortunate. I believe it is my time, as time is running out.

I understand the concept of grounding, and have taken this very seriously as my fear has terrified me many many times, and true grounding is a way to mentally relieve myself of this fear. I don't believe it needs to be a 'physical thing' such as bare-feet on the ground. It's a mental thing, just like everything else. However, imagery and understanding is evoked from the bare-feet on the ground, therefor re-ensuring the mental thing.

I do not understand your concern with working Chakras and Tibetan methods together?

One of the prayers which I've been working on lately, the triple body specifically requires the working of the heart, throat, and 3e chakra together.

The truth body prayer is for a bright sapphire blue heart, the beatific for a ruby red throat, and the emanation for a diamond white om at the head. The only difference with Tibetan Buddhism and other forms of Chakra work are in the colors of the chakra.

Though, the colors don't concern me - as they are but another way for us humans to understand emotion and visualization. I've already been 'given' knowledge about the chakras, and how the 7+ of them make us up to be everything and everything. I believe I understand what they all represent, and how to invoke their great energy by feeling their meaning. From hell and power, to lust and procreation, to divine energy, to manifestation and earth, to ego and communication and perspective and understanding, to vision, and on.

Gradius Maximus:
I understand that my solo approach is a bit new-age. This kind of process has typically been done by 'secret societies' and tribes, groups, occults, etc, in the past. But this is a new-age, and I think spiritual revelation is to be done more and more often by an individual (of course, still with assistance through knowledge, and a teacher).

I do not have any other choice as of now. I know no other people that understand things as I do. Many of them believe in Chakras, but are mostly new-age and are lost in the great vast web of lies that new-age has told. They are confused, and don't really understand the spirituality beyond an 'earthly' type of definition. Does that make sense?

Ego. Now there is something which I consider very powerful. I've done a lot of thinking about this, a lot of reading, and I have done a lot of battle with my ego in my meditations. I am afraid that it can sometimes still be very strong, but in this particular night it was not my ego that was telling me that I was "being stupid".

Congratulations on your own success. =)

I understanding the concept of mystical death. I've been to the threshold many times, but fear is a very strong force, indeed. It is currently my greatest enemy.

ChiForce:

Good observation about the animal eyes! I've never thought about that - but I have seen different types of eyes, including mostly human eyes (but of a beauty, like an elf? lol), alien, reptile eyes, and perhaps demon eyes? I'll try to notice in the future.

There have been times, while sungazing and then while meditating - that I've seen and felt literally hundreds of pairs of eyes.

I do know the importance of Chakra balance, and I do commit time to strengthening them all. Though I admit that I am weaker than I wish I could be. My 2nd chakra and throat chakra, in particular.

Mertez:

The bliss is incredible! I've advanced enough to induce it quiet easily - but I know that it will only get stronger and stronger. It's exciting! But, don't get caught up in only wishing for bliss, as it can be a trap.

I have not heard voices, so you are lucky. Though I hear pops in my environment very very often...

Again, thank you all! And I hope that more can give some advice or opinions.

Until then, I plan on continuing to strengthen all my energies.

in your op you ask - fear or something else?

for me personally it was fear.

it was facing fear i have never encountered before. it was just a huge manifestation of fear that presented itself to me just as I was about to break through. part of me wanted to stop. i was actually clearly presented with that option. infact part of me accepted that option and began to retreat. however something else rose up and challenged it. i came to the decison that i was prepared to surrender everything to overcome this fear . I mean everything. It came down to 'whats the worst that could happen' and the answer was 'I suppose I could die' . My response was 'so be it' . I told myself it was now or never and i was greatly rewarded for choosing 'now'.

since then everthing has changed.

anyway i am a very silly person so maybe you should ignore me. I think that all those people who are warning of being careful and following rules, finding masters to teach you are creating their own barriers. I have always thrown caution to the wind. always.

maybe this carefree attitude will kill me one day but i should have died several times over already with some really silly acccidents i have had in life. I have several times shook my head in disbelief wondering why i am still alive when I should be dead. I have come to the conclusion that death is an illusion and nothing happens until the time you are ready which of course you already decicded yourself before you got here.

(in my defence i only just recently come across some speakers on meditation that have stated that it is ridiculous to have to follow any sort of rules or specific steps to achieve success in what you are trying to achieve. I was very happy to see this because it has been my own personal belief for years.)

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
in your op you ask - fear or something else?

for me personally it was fear.

it was facing fear i have never encountered before. it was just a huge manifestation of fear that presented itself to me just as I was about to break through. part of me wanted to stop. i was actually clearly presented with that option. infact part of me accepted that option and began to retreat. however something else rose up and challenged it. i came to the decison that i was prepared to surrender everything to overcome this fear . I mean everything. It came down to 'whats the worst that could happen' and the answer was 'I suppose I could die' . My response was 'so be it' . I told myself it was now or never and i was greatly rewarded for choosing 'now'.

Have you experienced the Kundalini energy? I ask because it is seriously nothing one should take lightly unless you experienced it by accident, as in my case. Even in my own case, I did receive guidance. I talked about this in my other post but I may as well repeating it here. I came across a blue eyed monk in my college, when I was registering for classes. He was one of the staff. I don't know about you but the chances to encounter an enlightened monk working in some facility is just slim. He told me I should learn knowledge for myself. Why was this important? When the Kundalini energy reached to your consciousness, your mind opens up tremendously. Depending how you have been living your life but if your life has always been struggles, this experience will reaffirm life for you. You will see the world as you know it completely upsidedown. You may even develop hatred towards people or circumstances that you once encountered. I felt every part of it. You may also develop this extreme sense of need to reach out to people, especially to people who you think they are important. Unfortunately, not everyone will receive you the same way. If it wasn't the fact that I always remember what the monk said to me, I may even lose myself in the entire process and experience.

I say the Kundalini energy tends to work on your most emotional parts of yourself.....the greatest.

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This spiritual chop suey is not good. I keep telling people it is better to find a school and stick with it. Should you get into serious spiritual indigestion from this chop suey who will help you to unravel this mess?

Just a thought

T

JohnySeagull:

I've about reached the same point, where I am telling me self, "so be it".

My current main goal is to reach the other side - to affirm what it is that I already know, and to communicate with beings whom are masters (not of me, but in a sense of mastery).

ChiForce:

I am awaiting my own blue eyed monk. Tis most the reason I posted about this, as I am hoping for an answer that sits well with me. Consider my post a cry to the universe, and perhaps someone somewhere will hear.

tiger5:

What can go wrong? I think my mentality is strong enough to endure in the real world. I've already experienced some very traumatic events as a child, I've always seen things in a different way. I've been very over-analyzing while growing up, and have consumed a LOT of knowledge. I am very far from perfect, and cannot regurgitate the things which I've learned - as I have a very very tough time to express myself - especially in spoken speech. But I think everything I've read has changed me, and is not lost and still resides within my subconscious. I am very young, only 23, but I believe that my spirit has experienced much. I've been able to fathom and even create thoughts which would cause many people to go insane, but I can endure. I know that experience of the other side can cause some people to go insane, but how?

Are you suggesting that I may ruin my spiritual soul forever by learning the vast diversity of everything? Personally, I am finding great enlightenment by learning all sorts of religions and spiritualities, by studying peoples contentions and being an anthropologist of sorts. I love rhetoric and perspective, and truly believe that I am beginning to understand how everything - all the things which cause people to be separated and invoke hatred - are all actually connected.

Isn't this understanding a great valuable thing to have? How could it lead me astray?

Though, I respect your worry and do not dismiss it. Perhaps I can find a way to reach my higher self and/or spirit guides before I cause myself great ruin? or perhaps there is no ruin to be had?

I am concerned that I won't be able to return wholey to my earth body, and that I may be left as an empty vessel (ie, mental institution crazy) is that possible?

Another question which has been playing at my head for a while.

One of the gents that I live with has some severe mental issue. I've never spoken to him about them, and don't know details aside from what I've learned in the past few months. But, he is definitely schizophrenic/multiple personality, loudly talks to himself, has extreme hatred, and is in a bad enough state to be 100% monetarily supported by the church. I am fairly sure he has some bad ill-intentioned entities using him.

I've never felt very comfortable meditating in this house, all though I attribute that to my fear and have fought it down for the most part with constant meditations of engulfing my room in white light and love and energy. But I am wondering - could I be putting myself in harm by trying to leave my body while being in such a close physical proximity to him? He sleeps in the next room, perhaps 15 feet away.

Just a thought I just had after listening to him swear up a storm (to himself) towards the stupidness of gentiles, our lack of 'thinking', and his hatred towards everyone including females and gays.

I typically pay no attention to him..

reply to post by derickonfire



Look I don’t want to horrid. I speak from a place of concern. I have been in this game for over 35 years and I am still learning and unlearning things that are not necessarily correct. I have experienced a considerable trauma but let me tell you in some ways most of the stuff have suffered on this plane may be bad but has a massive body of therapy. Thank good for the scientific method! Suppose you had broken both legs and had PTSD (Post traumatic Stress Disorder) then the medics would have made the correct diagnosis and Splinted the legs or pinned them if a multiple bread. Bear with me I am not a medic I am merely using an analogy. Then they would go on and refer you to the Psychiatrists and psychologists who would have diagnosed you correctly and treated the PTSD.

OK now suppose something goes wrong in your spiritual practice. You are hearing voices and I guess are using a mix of techniques drawn from various cultures including the American internet. If heaven forbid things go bad the worst that could happen is that you loose your mind and be committed to a loony bin. In six months you have come a long way and if you look back over your life you may realize that you have various innate gifts that may have manifest at certain times. This is what makes you of potential danger to yourself. If something were to go wrong who one earth would be able to work out how to cure you.

My friend is also an experienced occultist who inspects various mental health facilities and yet some of the things he experiences or catches whilst in these facilities requires him to cleanse himself of various contagions. And yes there are occultists who have gone insane.

Of course you may not be the one that cracks up but you are hearing a repetitive voice. It could be a number of things - a low level entity, your own fears manifesting itself, It may even be something from the person sleeping next to you (don’t be fooled by gender).

You also do not seem to have spirit guides or power animals present. You may have all of these things but not mentioned them in your post. My point still stands No One knows what particular protocol you follow so if anything goes wrong no one may be able to figure out what went wrong and how to cure it. You are in the process of writing a program using machine code, cobol, C ++ and half a dozen other languages and doing it all without an clearly defined overall logically framework because it is chopsuey a rootless invention. If you had a proper teaching body to train you could rely on the combined knowledge of the system to heal and correct your practice. You have not even specified what system you are following.

Read and discuss widely as much as you wish but the natural needs to be very careful when doing serious practical work.

Disclaimer

I am not interested in trying to get student followers or groupies for me or my organization. Do not have anything to sell or a need to make myself look cool or (even) more attractive to women. I honestly do not wish this post to be starred. I am totally disinterested in self –aggrandizement

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OMG have you any idea how far an aura extends???? your auras could be touching. Perhaps he is is simple schizo and then again he could be someone riddden by certain entities of madness and hatred. Either way this is another risk factor to consider in your spiritual practice.

Why not think safety? I bet you lock your car doors when not using it.Why not take more care with the other vehicle - your mind?

tiger5 - you're not horrid and I do sincerely respect your comments. Please do not think I am being egotistic and dismissive.

Auras can range what- 6ish feet? So, we are ridiculously close. He is definitely a concern..

What do you recommend I do? Continue with my meditations of my lower Chakras only while in the dark of room?

Would you consider it safe to fully energize my crown and 3e while in the bright glorious sun while sitting on dirty earth?

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I agree with the poster above me. Although I have had no negative experiences with this, there must be a reason people say kundalini/chi is so dangerous. While it might be fun to experiment with (bringing the energy to your crown feels better than you know what), kundalini effects your physical body and can fry your nervous system. There are other and better things you can do with your type of meditation, but forcing kundalini can be dangerous, you may think you have it under control, but it's like a dangerous snake, it can bite and do serious damage. But again, I suggest you try other things with your practice (Contacting God and other beings, Astral Projecting), though there are dangers involved with that as well.