Conservative - baddd!!!

I have always been perplexed by someone would coose to be conservative (i say conservative because the democrats are becoming more and more conservative)

if we had alwys abided by the conservative beliefs this is what america would look like:

women would not be able to vote
black/non white people would not be alowed into our schools
black/non white people would still be slaves
all native americans would have been killed
their would have been no welfare
therw woudl have been no foreign aid
there would have been far more wars
...... etc. etc. etc.

why is it that people forget these ideals that republicans and conservatives once stood for

to look at topics that are inqueston today:
abortion
stem cell research
gay marriage
capital punishment
foreign aid
iraq
......etc. etc. etc.

if we are to take a republican stand on these topics then we are living in the past

left wing politics moves the world further, it helps other countries to grow and to compete with america as well as america helping smaller countries with aid.

one day we will look back on the above topics and wonder how gay marriages could ever have been banned or how we stopped stem cell research even though it could cure millions and we will look back the same way we think of how we could have ever been so rascist or sexist.

learn from the past to change our future

-Graham

Those are very good points, i'm impressed.........

It's run through my head many times wondering why republicans are afraid of change. Then I see dems who want to progress. Both are guilty of starting wars neither of them are perfect there.

Both sides have #ed up the economy in the past and present........

Neither are perfect and both will do and say anything if they are given enough money by outside sources and corporations.


I'm not voting for either of them, Nader seems cool but so does libertarian.

Again excellent points and definitely some food for thought. Now if you'll excuse me I have to get ready for a dinner party... *tips hat*


Cheers

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by TrueLies]

Originally posted by TrueLies

I'm not voting for either of them, Nader seems cool but so does libertarian.

A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. anyways this seems to be a useless thread. There is no relation between the black slaves and voting Conservative. Put the beer down man.

"A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush"

This is just silly. Would you similarly say that a vote for Libertarian or the Constitution Party is a vote for Kerry?

I think it's nonsense that votes 'belong' to anyone other than for whom they are cast. Candidates earn votes, and if they don't articulate a position worth voting for, we'll vote for someone else.

I haven't voted for one of the major two political parties in the last 2 presidential elections, and I'm proud of my votes in both. My votes didn't belong to either the Dems or the Reps, the votes belonged to the candidates that best fit what I believe in.

If the country doesn't get over the 'waste our vote' mentality, nothing will change.

I can't get over how many flacid topics we have going up around here.

WAKE UP MONKIES!!!

The more you guys buy into the crap tactics going on around here lately, the worse it's going to get, not to mention that idiotic topics that slander one side is the enemy is completely rediculous.

Shame on you Smith Jr. for contributing to the towering malaze this country is building to heaven.

Enjoy fruitcakes.

Originally posted by TrueLies


Neither are perfect and both will do and say anything if they are given enough money by outside sources and corporations.


[Edited on 7-7-2004 by TrueLies]

cant vote for nader, the greens picked somebody else. thats like a political bitch slap if you ask me.

krazy jethro, you are absoluetly right. i'm really hipocritical in that sense saying what you say and then writing slander so i apologize. i think the way forward is socialism (but not communism) and i think that socialism/left-wing is the way forward.

websurfer, for the record what i was saying was that the past is a good indicator. awe must learn from our past to correct our future.

my apologies again krazy jethro you are right

-Graham

Originally posted by junior_smith
krazy jethro, you are absoluetly right. i'm really hipocritical in that sense saying what you say and then writing slander so i apologize. i think the way forward is socialism (but not communism) and i think that socialism/left-wing is the way forward.

websurfer, for the record what i was saying was that the past is a good indicator. awe must learn from our past to correct our future.

my apologies again krazy jethro you are right

-Graham

Please don't apologize to me, you owe me nothing.

As for forwardism (as I like to call it), strikes me as odd. Why must we continue to move forward constantly.

I'm not sure why you think this, but let me ask you this. Would you rather:

a) move forward knowing that the government is inept with your money (which is very apparent)

or

b) try to fix the problems we have already before we start talking about something new?

that is what life is, we grow from young to old. and as a society we must grow from our infant roots to one day being swomething that is great or greater. as for money isues and corruptness unless we find, absolutely pure people in one administration coruption will occur, that is why we need to move forward to wait until we as a people can find better ideas for this world and then change corruptness. it is like we need to do steep b to do step a.

-Graham

And how do you go from step b to step a?

Vote em out of there!

How does that take?

Initiative

How do you do that?

By getting off your ass

What's getting off your ass?

Walking to a voting booth , signing petitions...

What are those for?

To vote for who you want in and in a petitioning situation it would be to get people out, also called a recall...

How old do I have to be ?

18

What if i'm not?

Let your parents know what you think they don't, educate them and then so some proof to back up your points...


Wow this really seems like a lot of work!!

Nothing comes easy my friend, it all takes work... But it would be well #in worth it in the end........

I agree...

Good, now get off your ass and do something...

Good luck and God speed...
lol...


My somewhat witty banter... I'm done.


[Edited on 9-7-2004 by TrueLies]

you im sorry to say have a lower expectation for whitiness.

but yes change does come in time.

but look at ghandi he made a huge impact on the british in india in his lifetime.

there are other examples i could use but im tired right now, maybe tommorow i will come back with more examples lol.

as for me right now im planning for once im 18 and independent. i know to all you readers out there this will seem like young hopefulness but i think i have a good future waiting for me. so hopefully i can change at least one persons life in my life

Being a conservative goes a lot deeper than not wanting change.
And these are not good points. Being a conservative as I am, I have nothing against minorities, or females and I am very happy they have the right to vote and are no longer slaves.

Today's conservatives are not the conservatives of old. Neither are today's liberals. Gay marriage to a liberal even 50 years ago would have been sickening in most cases. Times change and so do people.

Me being a conservative I am willing to work with liberals on some things.
Say gay marriage. I would be much more willing to accept gay marriage if we could also get liberals to bend on the death penalty and to be tougher on rapists.

Liberals are conservative too anyway. They want to conserve nature. Nature isn't even truly threatened. Everything is in how you look at it.

I just ask this, don't attack peoples beliefs, I don't attack the liberals.
I would like to see the two major groups (Rep, Dem) work together more instead of nocking on eachother like this. Just something to think about.

Originally posted by SuperKyle

Liberals are conservative too anyway. They want to conserve nature. Nature isn't even truly threatened. Everything is in how you look at it.

hah! are you #tin me?? !!!

Do I have have to open my book of whoopass on you boy??
Nature is in danger all over the world... China--- Trees which are being cut down which are animal's habitat are homeless and extinct, monkey's , panda bears, polar bears (ice melting/glacier melting due to global warming, otter's, whales, dolphins (testing in the oceans) GORILLA'S (poacher's in Africa-kill them because Chinese people believe there is something in em that's an aprodisiac [sp], elephants, bears, rare birds,THE RAIN FOREST AND ANIMALS IN THEM...

i'll go get links if you don't believe me...

This is all kinds of political parties faults, and our own for not doing our part ...

for once I am on your side. The cutting of the rain forest is cutting down many cures for diseases yet discovered and some that have. God put these forests on our planet for this discovery, and it is being cut for the love of profit.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
for once I am on your side. The cutting of the rain forest is cutting down many cures for diseases yet discovered and some that have. God put these forests on our planet for this discovery, and it is being cut for the love of profit.

Yup, profit... aka known as money, which is the root of all evil... which is going to be the death of us... this is satans empire, anyone who oppose's profit seems to be "nutty" or "wackjobs" ...

What the hell is so wrong with trying to save the environment we live in??
Where are we going to live when we have no clean place to live???
Exactly, and wtf do you think those animals are going through right now??
Their just ahead of us in that respect, but I can tell ya, we're not much further behind...

this is what i mean conservatives don't want to act on things like the environment and in 50 or 100 years time this will become a huge topic, much bigger than it is now. you have to see that you are making the same sort of decisions that the conservatives of old would make but with different situations.

and regarding the joining of the parties whats the point? you are still gonna have people disagreeing with each other. a fuelselage government would be the smae thing as the current governments except with more backstabbing and such

Originally posted by junior_smith
if we had alwys abided by the conservative beliefs this is what america would look like:

women would not be able to vote
black/non white people would not be alowed into our schools
black/non white people would still be slaves
all native americans would have been killed
their would have been no welfare
therw woudl have been no foreign aid
there would have been far more wars
...... etc. etc. etc.

Why is it that the "party of tolerance" is so often the one guilty of gross stereotyping? The left LOVES to paint conservatives as a cross between Monty Burns and Hitler.

As for the following statements:

Originally posted by junior_smith
black/non white people would not be alowed into our schools
black/non white people would still be slaves

Um, wasn't Alabama Governor George Wallace (who kept a campaign pledge to stand in a schoolhouse door to block integration of Alabama public schools) a DEMOCRAT?
Wasn't Abraham Lincoln (you know, the guy who delivered the Gettysburg Address and the Emancipation Proclamation) a REPUBLICAN?
One more thing, why is it that the very same people that complain about us cutting back on foreign aid also complain about us not paying more attention to domestic issues?

Most of the things you guys just mentioned are in other countries, places no American conservative has any rights to play into. The ones that are in American territory we are dealing with, just not as hardcore as others. Yes, I do feel for animals losing their habitat. I think poachers should be deported from their homelands. But to say that everything failing in nature is the fault of conservatives is wrong.

And by the way, lay off the sarcasm or I will open my whoopazz on you.