Is HAARP About To Open The Sixth Seal?

Originally posted by phantomjack
reply to post by ghostpigeon

 

I am not suggesting that weather modification does not occur. But when the "chemtrailers" post pictures of contrails, and then insist that the vapor is chemical by nature and not water vapor, then i have a problem with it.

To the extent that vapor contrails criss cross the sky's, especially in and around known flight paths, and then to insist that these "trails" are chemical in nature, being delivered by a fictional collaboration of thousands of pilots, chemical companies, crew, and government/military personnel, I get a bit agitated.

While altitude does in fact play a large role in the variable of what we know as contrails, it is not accurate to suggest that a low level altitude can not produce a contrail. If the correct conditions exist, i.e. temperature, moisture, pressure, then a contrail can be made at just about any altitude. I have personally witnessed contrails from an F18 flying at 200 feet above the deck.

The low altitude claim doesnt hold water. No pun intended.

Phantom Jack,
Then why won't the govt allow a chem test of jet fuel? Why can't anything that is water soluable be put in your contrails? home.iae.nl... (sorry links not working from my computer) You are basically attributing your good nature towards people you don't know who has put stuff in vaccines that are killing people. Wait for it..... www.cdc.gov...
Both are examples of how you chose the powers that be over your kids.

reply to post by kyeleigh


sorry it took me so long to reply.. been working alot lately..

anyway, alot of different things could have hit them mid flight.. upper atmospheric hail, lightning, planes, ect...

I haven't taken the time to read all of the pages of posts, and maybe
someone has already asked what I am going to ask, or, maybe not.
The question is, what happened to the first 5 seals? They haven't
happened yet. None of them.

You can believe however you wish, but when the 7 seals happen and lead
to the 7 trumpets that lead to the final 7 bowls, this world will go througn
times that will be unprecedented. If you think things are bad on earth now,
you ain't seen nothing yet. All of these happenings will take place during
the 7 year Tribulation period, and that hasn't started yet. None of us will be
able to fathom what is happening when it actually starts. What is going on
around the world today is a picnic compared to what is coming. These are
my beliefs, and maybe I am the only one that believes that way, so don't
condemn me for my thinking. Do your own math, as they say.

reply to post by endtimer


I agree. I think when the seals are opened and all of that we're going to see a much different world, than this one. And things will be on a level which we probably cannot truly fathom. To say that HAARP is going to open the Sixth seal is a bit of a stretch.

reply to post by RandalFlagg


its all about keeping an open mind. if somthing like this did happen u would kick urself for being in the box. why would the government blow up 2 towers and pentagon. (if u think that happened.) which you probly dont. if i was going to cause biblical event i would start in the us because i think we would be much more of a problem to the nwo. they want people to be easily programable and not educated. ive witnessed first hand some of the new technologys and how there being used on people. this world has become a greedy place. the more far fectched the better cuz people dont want to believe that humans are capable but we r and we do.

oh yeah i forgot to add so is there a haarp near the border like he said cuz the only 1 i know of is in alaska?

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


actually i heard the blunt trauma was caused from the landing : )

That's like saying the boogyman is going to eat kids, or the bible was written by god lol

Religious beliefs hold no place in science or physics. Your belief is based off a storybook that was rewritten over and over again from one pope to the next, it is merely a tool of indoctrination, to control you.

The more who believe in 2012 the more people flock to religion it's where the doomsday theory came from, to bring idiots who cannot think for themsevles back under their control.

Harp is a scientific tool that will be a symbolic gesture to signal our coming into a type one civilization. That means planetary, controlling of tectonic plates and weather, and all nations of the world working together with instant communication, we see this today. The Internet is the begining of a type one civilizations's phone, the next hundred years will determine everything.

Weather we remove insanity from our species, or weather that insanity crushes all logic (at that point homo Sapiens will be eliminated) so either way, we survive homo Sapiens die off, but their descendants the homo novus will begin the type one civilization at all costs.

reply to post by SeaWind


Thanks for the feedback. I remember reading about Matt Simmons, his assertions, & his frighteningly convenient death. I recall his concern stemming from the leaking oil, & the resulting environmental/ecological damage, but not any assertion on his part of tectonic weakening of crustal plates in the area.

The OP appeared to be making a case for "them" deliberately causing some kind of massive earthquake action in that area, implying that the BP spill was a first step, having "destabilized" the floor of the Gulf of Mexico.
I'm still not finding any factual material on any new tectonic danger related to the spill or the cracks in the sea floor, but there is a ton of apparently unfounded speculation on that issue.

I'm definitely not contesting the reasonability of Matt Simmons' concerns, or the highly suspicious timing of his supposed heart attack-caused death in his hot tub.
I don't mean to sound confrontational about this; if there has been some spill-related tectonic damage found, it escaped my reading concerning this mess, & I would like to know about it.

BTW, I'm also not implying an assertion that it's a good idea to go poking around an area where 2 crustal plates meet, especially when that poking will result in the release of existing pressure generated by a massive trapped oil deposit; I also would not be surprised if all the drilling alone might contribute to a change in the dynamics of plate movement, never mind the immense release of pressure from the leaks.
However, Plate Tectonics is a relatively new study, & IMO, not enough is known to be able to say that any change that may have been made to plate interaction there has increased, or even decreased the danger of a 'quake in that area.

lol this thread - the 6th seal lol 10.2 lol. lol lol lol lol lol

its really hard for the "elites" to control a worthless swamp hole after a 10.2 earth quake destroys most of what makes this country worth anything to begin with.

as far as haarp goes it can also blend ipads and sheet gold too I heard. It's certainly not as prevalent around the world as it is just by what it's listed it can do.

but if it could somehow turn your ipad into a mobile mind control device with the latest Manchurian candidate app then I can see what New Zeland has them too obviously. Somehow Kennedy was killed for this by time traveling ex cia ninja assassins from Israel right after they got Lincoln.

Yo dawg I hear you like conspiracies with your conspiracies so I made you a conspiracy burger you could eat while reading about conspiracies.

bon apetite

reply to post by circuitsports


is that app out yet? : )

So how bad would it be if someone lived 20 miles outside Memphis going towards Nashville? Seriously

reply to post by Anthony1138


without a belief there would be no science because there would be no question. i think they r yin and yang ding to my dong.

i just read the rest of ur post and found out u think we all will sing coumbaya. where in fact if this device will bring people togather why arent they implementing free energy that would be more benificial to man?

Originally posted by circuitsports
Yo dawg I hear you like conspiracies with your conspiracies so I made you a conspiracy burger you could eat while reading about conspiracies.

Heh, heh...
...And you served the burger with relish, too, didn't you?

reply to post by DaWhiz


What you were seeing at 200 feet off the deck wasn't a contrail. Exhaust. Find me scientist who says contrails appear without the kind of condensation that comes from altitude/temperature and I'll reconsider, but nowhere in my understanding of the term "contrail" is there any knowledge they appear without on or the other or both of these conditions. Chemtrails, BTW, did undergo a bogus test on a Discovery or Nat Geo program I saw, but the methods used for testing were not going to show the particular chemicals that have been attributed to chemtrails effectively. It's like Nat Geo's show on 9/11 that tried to show thrermate would not cut steel, in which they packed 100 times the amount needed up against a beam and set it off. Didn't cut the steel. A scientist with a home metal shop packed in a fraction of the amount used on TV and attached it to beam and it came so close to cut though he literally broke the beam in half with a light push after. Fully have of what we see on TV "science" shows is sketchy science, but it does make people feel better!

reply to post by ghostpigeon

Science and religion are incompatible? Both are faith beliefs at the foundations of them. The reason why we favor science is that it supposedly is empirically tested conclusions on how the world works. Most of the time, or a substantial part of the time, I think that's true, but we've had so many abuses of the system over the years - many untintentional - that people still leave room for doubt. If you want to believe a study is solid, you first have to know what question was asked, and just as important, who paid for the study. When the heart association or tobacco industry fund a study it's intent is operationalized by the scientist. You want to prove smoking causes heart problems or prove it doesn't. Hypotheses are often then formed in the very narrowest of terms and you conduct a test that is going to speak only to the most specific part of the question. That's why we have studies that show second hand smoke Might cause asthma in children. The WHO published a study some years back which showed absolutely no correlation with over 50,000 participants. American studies, funded by non-profit organizations against smoking have published a half a dozen studies withe less than 2000 parrticpants that say it MIGHT. Newspapers then publish those results with the headline: Second hand smoke causes asthma in children. We take it as truth because a) the press prints the truth and b) science doesn't lie. I know very few people on ATS are naive, so I won't say we believe those things here (except, we often do get "blinded by science") but I think that you have to have faith to believe science is inimpeachable truth, not much less than you have to have faith to believe in God. Our god is mammon in America anyway, and I've long since ceased to believe in THA'T god.

I won't say I never believed in God; my father was an evangelical minister (back before they were known as the fundamentalist right) and I was raised to embrace faith as a road to heaven. I grew up and many things changed; I got educated for one. I know teach college, but I still believe in God or god (I only put it that way because I often type it uncapitalized out of sheer laziness), I also, however, and just as provisionally believe in science. It's often wrong about things because research is bought and paid for, sloppy, or just mistaken, but other research will show that to be wrong down the road or though debate. We're never going to debate God into a certainty or out of possibility and that's where faith comes into play in Christianity and all other religions. Those beliefs are personal and vary widely even within religions. Christians are not fools any more than biologists or physicists are, but often times no less too. For the first time in 30 years I've started to wonder if Revelations really is seeing prophecies fulfilled in a significant way. Problem is many are so general: "There will be wars and rumors of wars"; when has there not been! Dead birds do occasionally rain down on Earth, along with frogs, fish and lot's of other weird stuff, but much of that is probably things swept up to high altitudes by cyclones, tornadoes or other natural phenomena.
When it happens a number of times in a few days, however, I wonder how natural it is. It does seem like the bird kills are getting a little alarming and the fish kills even more so. You might call me "old school" enlightenment, but I do believe in God and do believe the universe acts within natural laws identifiable by science (when it works as it should),So the first reasons I look for are natural causation, or unnatural causation via our political system and elites.Seems like coming to a conclusion that the sixth seal is open is premature in that way and maybe someone should clue me in on when the other five got opened?! I'm going to watch Constatine again at any rate. My refuge when all is fails is watch a good movie and I'm thinking I may go on "end of days" kick here soon!

Originally posted by Bachrk
So how bad would it be if someone lived 20 miles outside Memphis going towards Nashville? Seriously

If the New Madrid goes off big you will not want to be anywhere along the eastern Arkansas border or the western Tennessee border. Sorry to say it won't be good for anyone in that area!

reply to post by Red Cloak


Here is some proof of HAARP capabilities straight from the horse itself.

docs.google.com...:mLkmVqQVZhYJ:www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/weather_modification.pdf+test+technology+symposium+'97 &hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj_ZPzbJ5-gKkU4XEbyE6RU3DPCWW5GcQ6lwQes3F61V-XgzNdmZ2Wi7fBp2MPd2r4RKgCSzIMUMJwpB2qRXeXIwMg5P8Lw_hjvU-n_48X_S0miWbRVe4BO ohPK6J6gFgQkCmTJ&sig=AHIEtbTaXi-7dIQ5VnidZc40cLJGU0Wa2w

Sorry Mods. I was only able to pull it up by going into it "side ways".

Its in a pdf so I cant cut/paste.

Its from a symposium at Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab in 97. It lists some names of scientists, some capabilities and uses. Directly mentions weather mod.

reply to post by Eurisko2012

Really? About the Norway spirals? You gotta be joking.... SMH
You can clearly see the light beaming from the HAARP instrument

reply to post by Red Cloak


HAARP is gonna screw us up. this could be causing the problems with the birds... if they fly through a haarped area, next thing u know boom ur dead