Richard C Hoagland says disclosure occurred in 2010

There are multiple reasons for non-disclosure. Everyone jumps to the conclusion that 'their' continued secrecy is for manipulative and 'evil' purposes. Perhaps the reason they remain relatively hidden is because they realize the degree of disparateness in technology and social development between us and other intelligent spacefaring civilizations throughout the galaxy. Maybe they know the possible detriment to our overall well being that direct and open disclosure could/would bring, drawn from past experiences. And out of ethical responsibility they have chosen not to interfer with the institutions that we have (supposedly) put in place to represent us. But the invention and use of the atom bomb changed everything... Just a thought/idea.

Originally posted by FoxMulder91
Im listening to Coast to Coast AM right now..he said disclosure occured in 2010 and hardly anyone noticed.

Once upon a time I would have listened to this with baited breat. But after a few years of personal research it is clear to see that these people are not the sort of people we should be listening to. I mean to say that Richard Hoagland has his fingers in the pies. Its like SETI just because something is there that seems to be aiding us alongside the route of disclosure doesn't altogether mean that its good for us and that we should trust it openly.

Yes there certainly was interesting nuggets of information released to the general public regarding ET in 2010 but disclosure did not happen and will not happen until the groups of this planet can no longer contain it, once it grows to big we will all know. Question is do we really want to see inside pandoras box?

Why would aliens be "friendly"? Any race capable of traveling the distance to get here has to be millions if not billions of years more advanced than us. We have absolutely nothing to offer them, other than the resources of "our" planet. It would be like honeybees debating on why we are dropping by their hive. Some bees may foolishly think that we want them to show us how they make wax, how they do their little bee-dance, and how smart they are since they can navigate using the sun and electromagnetic fields. But in reality we don't give a damn about any of that, we are just their to take their honey, and don't care how many we squash that get in our way. We may humor them a bit, just to avoid the slight aggravation of getting stung, but if they sting us we can easily just kill them all and take the honey anyway. Still, I'm sure some of the bees think we are and will be "friendly", and share our "technology" to help them build better honeycombs and hives.

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Question is do we really want to see inside pandoras box?

Good question. Disclosure may be a tripwire to something we really won't like. So long as we don't 'officially' know what's going on, we are somehow safe from it.

It may also be that, whatever it is that is waiting, will force the issue by some amazing event that will make an official announcement unavoidable.

Originally posted by Flux8
There are multiple reasons for non-disclosure. Everyone jumps to the conclusion that 'their' continued secrecy is for manipulative and 'evil' purposes. Perhaps the reason they remain relatively hidden is because they realize the degree of disparateness in technology and social development between us and other intelligent spacefaring civilizations throughout the galaxy. Maybe they know the possible detriment to our overall well being that direct and open disclosure could/would bring, drawn from past experiences. And out of ethical responsibility they have chosen not to interfer with the institutions that we have (supposedly) put in place to represent us.

Acceptable, but is there logic there in your analysis and a missed flaw in your hypothesis?

If out of any ethics or unknown trait that they chosed not to INTERFERE, then why the daily flights and abductions? Certainly they must be aware that mankind is not blind or dumb.

And I am fully aware with their aerial displays that they are not blind or dumb. While we are unable to research into the occupants of UFOs, we are able to see their behaviour by their flybys.

They are behaving likewise in the manner of our kings and lords of ancient past, whom would never bother to look at their subjects while they moved and treat the common people as if they don't exist.

And when such kings and lords need something from the common people, they simply just take without so much as a 'please', or send their servants/puppets to get their requirement performed without so much as a glimpse or contact from them......

Our leaders/their puppets, knows what's going on and aint telling...for a reason...and it aint gonna be something you would like to hear....or sleep on it.....

Originally posted by Romekje
There have been multiple massive sightings in big cities all over the world the exact date it was said it should happen, not too long ago.

Can't remember exactly when it was, i'll try to find some links but i guess he'll tell you in the interview.

I think 0ct-13-10 first mentioned by someone at NORAD.

Originally posted by gortex

edit on 3-1-2011 by gortex because: ETA

at 7:21 RCH begins his standard elaborate lead in as to the disclosure...

elements: Arthur C Clarke imagined a sequel o his movie '2001' & the preliminary title was to be '2010'

return to the audio at 12:15...here's where Arthur C Clarke, still formulating the possible sequel in his mind,
gives the reason for naming the sequel "2010'...is 2010 was the year we made contact
(from discovering a tetrahedron structure in a dust less crater on the far side of the moon)


there i saved you from wasting your time thinking you'ld decipher some foggy clues or statements
about alien contact...
it was also discussed that Michael Moore is attaching himself to this 'disclosure' money-cow
by linking disclosure to things like facebook or wikileaks, for dissemination to the public


dang i feel foolish in chasing fluff flying around the room

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If you are talking about that mid october non sense. That was a combination of a ridiculous prediction made to sell books, a few balloons in new york, trolling, and out right viral lies on twitter.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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If you are talking about that mid october non sense. That was a combination of a ridiculous prediction made to sell books, a few balloons in new york, trolling, and out right viral lies on twitter.

god why do people just believe everything the mainstream media tells them

In speculating about why the "aliens" would remain secretive, many of you seem to be saying, "This is how we would do things, and this is what it would mean if we were being secretive, so therefore, the aliens must be doing the same types of things for the same kinds of reasons."

Can you not see the inherent flaw in your thinking?

They are not us. Nothing could be stupider than to project human priorities onto, or ascribe human traits to, being that are not human.

As to this notion that anybody who's operating in secret must be hiding something bad, hasn't it ever occurred to any of you that knowledge, and the truth, can be very dangerous things in the hands of people who are stupid, evil, or crazy?

Given our established track record of trying to shoot down UFOs and our many thousands of years of stupid, evil, and crazy behavior, would you trust us if you were ET?

Originally posted by flightsuit
In speculating about why the "aliens" would remain secretive, many of you seem to be saying, "This is how we would do things, and this is what it would mean if we were being secretive, so therefore, the aliens must be doing the same types of things for the same kinds of reasons."

Can you not see the inherent flaw in your thinking?

They are not us. Nothing could be stupider than to project human priorities onto, or ascribe human traits to, being that are not human.

As to this notion that anybody who's operating in secret must be hiding something bad, hasn't it ever occurred to any of you that knowledge, and the truth, can be very dangerous things in the hands of people who are stupid, evil, or crazy?

Given our established track record of trying to shoot down UFOs and our many thousands of years of stupid, evil, and crazy behavior, would you trust us if you were ET?

edit on 4-1-2011 by flightsuit because: fixed typo

By asking the reader that question, you are doomed to repeating your mistakes you accuse others of, because we are NOT ET, and knows ET not, or how they behave.

We only know WHAT they do - flying our protected and soveriegn skies freely without a care or bother, as well as reports of contact made by credible witnesses around the world.

With that info, we can only deduce something that we know well- and that's human behaviour, espacially our leaders, on why they chosed to remain silent over the overwhelming and mounting evidences of their presence.

Originally posted by Gazrok

I still don't find the aliens good rather evil. ( I want to believe they are good) but meh.

The bottom line...is that they (the aliens, assuming they exist) are participating in the secret keeping, and usually, in our experience, if there's something being kept secret...it means we won't like it.

Indeed, at least being so nonchalant about the way they do things. Obviously says they "if indeed aliens" do things covertly. If the abduction phenomena does not speak for itself, not like they come knocking around lunch time and ask permission to take you for a ride. Or the saucer just hover over your house for all to see nope. They approach abductions like a bunch of ninjas in a stealthy fashion. Is it they are concerned what the neighbors will think?

I also agree the people will not like the truth agenda wise not so much existence of et, if the Government is powerless to stop abductions then that means it is an issue of national Security. How do you tell the people our military might is a fart in the wind compared to what these beings are capable of? How do you tell them there were agreements between our military and them like exchange for tech and they could abduct so many people or whatever they do. Then us or them violated said agreement, exchanges in conflict here in there. The black military ends up with a raw deal and what have you. There is probably some truth to all the allegations we have heard. If just some of them are true it is still not good.

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i think disclosure is happening already and already happening with movies. people are already given the question to believe or not when they watch a movie, then they are already set up for the information thats coming for aliens and ufos to be real

Isn't it more likely that Hollywood movies simply contain aliens because people think aliens are fun and interesting?

Originally posted by flightsuit
Isn't it more likely that Hollywood movies simply contain aliens because people think aliens are fun and interesting?

Exactly, its trendy. You use to have your Grudge or "Ringu" horror movies not long ago, before that Freddy and Jason and Micheal came out in the 1980's, use to be Dracula and Frankenstein before that. Hollywood produces films in accordance to popular demand. If a certain subject is a success then it is marketable. One studio will copy the other, just like network TV and countless reality shows. Its about making money. These are not documentary films at all but Horror films. if Disclosure is meant to scare the people while trying to inform them then that is FAIL. Disinfo more than Disclosure if anything.

Originally posted by bluntheaded
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i think disclosure is happening already and already happening with movies. people are already given the question to believe or not when they watch a movie, then they are already set up for the information thats coming for aliens and ufos to be real

Dont worry these Alien films will come to pass, and these Glittering vampire Films as well. They will be replaced by whatever is hot and trendy. And some day they will return again if there is new demand, people will call it disclosure once again. Well enjoy them while you can if you dig that kind of thing, fun to watch bot nothing educational. And the UFO movie trend is nothing new, remember Communion, Fire In The Sky and several other movies of the same subject had a run in the early 1990's.

Was it disclosure then too? No. They did not even depict the storys accurately. the producers thought Travis waltons story would be marketable after Strieber sold himself, his product featuring Christopher Walken. They take a figure like Travis that will get publicity and UFO buffs to go see it , it is marketable so the producers take the story and change it around in to a horror flick. Notably what happened on the craft was the most important part of fire in the sky yet was totally changed to be scary. a good date movie nothing more.

Hoagland knows nothing!

Never mind Area 51, the ultimate disco-closure happened in March 1986 with the shutting down of Studio 54.

I know this is slightly off topic, but I think JFK was murdered because he was going for disclosure.
www.youtube.com...
I hope that link works. If not, go to you tube and type in "the speech that got Kennedy killed.
I had to listen to it a few times because his language is vague, however now that you know what you are listening for, it will be more obvious.

I thought it was an interesting show. I liked how it was more a connect the dots instead of in your face type thing. I really doubt that 'disclosure' will be a bit TA DA! type thing. I think it would be a very subtle thing build up over time. So subtle that when you look back, it will be more of an "ooh, wow how did I miss that?!" type thing.

I know he gets bashed around a lot here, and yes he does amp things up a bit, most of the time without any real pay off, but every now and then he does drop a few things that make you stop and go 'hhmmm'.

Personally I bounce back and forth about wanting to know. I think it is almost a 'wants vs needs' type thing. Sure many do want to know, but do we really need to know? Because that is an awfully big genie to put back into the bottle once the truth is actually out.

If you listen to the whole show you will benefit from several interesting bits of information. The stories about Arthur C. Clarke and bringing up the incredible novel Childhood's End in the context of what is going on with a lot of this information is quite insightful.

Hoagland also goes against the stereotypical UFO chant for "disclosure" and says that most of these people are "waiting for daddy to tell them the truth about reality". He also says that these groups within the UFO community are stuck on this idea.

Could you elaborate please on the significance of the novel, "Childhood's End?"