Here is your war on Terrorism ! America !

Originally posted by backinblack
And the citizens do not want these wars......

Well it's a good thing the war in IRAQ is over.
For many U.S. troops, a last Christmas in Iraq

"It's time for us to get home. We've been here long enough. The Iraqis are doing their job," he added.

The United States officially ended combat in Iraq at the end of August and the just under 50,000 troops left are supporting Iraqi security forces in an advisory and assistance role.

Soon enough we will be reducing troop levels in Afghanistan.

UPDATE: Obama Speaks On Afghanistan Assessment

President Obama on Thursday said the U.S. is "on track to acheive our goals" in Afghanistan, citing the military's assessment of the Afghanistan war effort, which states that the administration can keep its pledge to begin withdrawing troops from the region starting July 2011. The transition of power to Afghanistan’s government should take place as scheduled by 2014, the report says.

If people wanna feel nostalgic about the Iraq war there are tens of thousands of You-tube videos to watch. The only REAL violence in Iraq over the past 3 years now has been Sectarian Sunni vs Shiite. Thank Saudi Arabia and Iran for that.

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Yes the troops are coming home but how many military contractors are going to stay or increase in numbers.?
IMO, if they are paid by the US tax payer then they are still US soldiers..

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Yes the troops are coming home but how many military contractors are going to stay or increase in numbers.?

Good question.

Have ANY real numbers to quote or qualified links of figures handy?

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The report the OP is posting has been posted here a few times. But what everybody just LOVES to leave out is that it also includes but not limited to....

Sectarian Violence, Crime related murders, Automobile accidents, Fire related deaths AND Heart attacks.

Most of the civilians that were killed were done so by Iraqi hands. It would do many some good to actually read the details of that report. It's in there. It is a far cry of the "Millions Killed" claim that was ramped here at ATS over the past few years. But every so often somebody new "Rediscovers it" and thinks they found the Holy Grail
pffft


They've linked to a truncated list.----Source---- Look at the civilian murder numbers and the number of Iraqis killed from IEDs. Those are Muslim on Muslim killings done in the name of their Allah. Iraqi Sunni vs Iraqi Shiite with Iran and Saudi Arabia supplying and funding either side the weapons.

The US military nor the Iraqi military need to use IEDs because we have the real deal.

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TextMost civilian deaths for 'murder'? What does murder entail? Murder by troops? Interesting to note the number of civilian deaths from IED explosions. Perhaps a review on their usage is needed?

No doubt that this information will provide those outside the 'fog-of-war' with a better understanding of what happed. However, we need to remember that the death-count here of over 100,000 Iraqis is that reported by the Allies i.e. the invaders in this war. The infamous quote "We don't do body counts" by Gen Tommy Franks leading US army said it all. The neutral view on the number of people who died (by respected Lancet medical journal) was over 600,000 deaths by Oct-2006 alone. That research is the best we have and tragically, things are not over yet. The Guarnaid should make that clear as a footnote to this article.

my question is how come their are so many deaths by IED ? seems like a perfect excuse , because you know people stand roadside when big tanks are headed in their direction , also note that most IED videos posted on the internet ,and their are alot , hardly show civilian around when the explosions go off

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I love how when faced by facts, the next course of action is ........

"Well if its by IED it must be because Americans are making them , and making it look like extremist violence.." or "there wouldnt be IEDs if Americans werent there"

That makes about as much sense as saying ther wouldnt be any suicide bombers if Americans werent there.....the extremist muslims kill their own..........its been this way for centuries....

The facts still stand that this little website you posted, is used for propaganda purposes to say "look how bad America is" hoping that no one will actually look at what the deaths are REALLY from....

I remember a past poster who use to do the same sort of things.......

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WASHINGTON — Can diplomats field their own army? The State Department is laying plans to do precisely that in Iraq, in an unprecedented experiment that U.S. officials and some nervous lawmakers say could be risky.

In little more than a year, State Department contractors in Iraq could be driving armored vehicles, flying aircraft, operating surveillance systems, even retrieving casualties if there are violent incidents and disposing of unexploded ordnance.

Already, however, the State Department’s requests to the Pentagon for Black Hawk helicopters; 50 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles; fuel trucks; high-tech surveillance systems; and other military gear has encountered flak on Capitol Hill.

"It’s one thing" for contractors to be "peeling potatoes" and driving trucks, McCaskill told McClatchy. "It’s another thing for them to be deploying MRAPs and Black Hawk helicopters."

www.stripes.com...

So soon these contractors could be useing US tax payer funded equipment even including Black Hawk helicopters..
That's kinda scary..

Originally posted by Nephi1337
my question is how come their are so many deaths by IED ? seems like a perfect excuse , because you know people stand roadside when big tanks are headed in their direction , also note that most IED videos posted on the internet ,and their are alot , hardly show civilian around when the explosions go off

Hey Einstein why don't you tweet, call, email or roll down the windows and ask your Muslim Extremist buddies why they kill civilians in Allah's name? If they Don't know then here are a couple of addresses you can write or call them and ask please stop training and supplying those who use IEDs so little Iraqi children can walk safely to school.

President His Excellency Dr Mahmoud Ahmadinezhad
The Presidency, Palestine Avenue,
Azerbaijan Intersection,
Tehran, Islamic Republic of Iran
Fax: +0098 21 649 5880
E-mail via website: www.president.ir...

Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia
601 New Hampshire Avenue,
NW Washington, DC 20037
Main Number: (202) 342-3800

Because the vast majority of those IED are not road side bombs. An Improvised Explosive Device fits perfectly into a car or bike next to the rival mosque. AND for the latest Sectarian Iraqi violence....

You might as well add these deaths too.

Shiites pour into Iraq shrine city for Ashura

KARBALA, Iraq — Shiites in their hundreds of thousands descended on the Iraqi shrine city of Karbala on Wednesday ahead of the climax of Ashura ceremonies, surrounded by heavy security for fear of attack.


The deadliest Ashura attacks were in March 2004, when near-simultaneous bombings at a Shiite mosque in Baghdad and in Karbala killed more than 170 people.

Violence levels have dropped dramatically since then, however, and are also much lower than in 2006 and 2007, when communal bloodshed engulfed much of the country -- the number of Iraqis killed in violence in November was the lowest figure in a year for the second month running.

2 suicide bombings kill 19, wound 45 in Iraq

Although violence across Iraq has subsided in recent months, the repeated attacks stand out on the government compound in Ramadi, where the Sunni Awakening militias are credited with helping to turn the tide against insurgents two years ago. The compound was bombed and the local governor was among the victims of an attack last year. The front gate of the compound was also bombed in July.

Originally posted by phatpackage
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It's a war! Righty or Wrongly people die, get over it! It is sad, very sad that innocents die but it is a war & by no means detracts from the overall effort in Iraq!

It's a war?


News to me.

An occupation is a more accurate description.

And the number of Iraqi's dead since the start of this occupation is anywhere from 400,000 to 1.4 million.



Just one googled link

www.justforeignpolicy.org...

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Hey blupblup long time no see buddy.
Do we need to go over the veracity of the LANCET report AGAIN?

Exaggerated claims, substandard research, and a disservice to truth

ORB's "million Iraqi deaths" survey seriously flawed, new study shows

There have been several survey-based attempts to roughly estimate the number of Iraqis killed as a result of the 2003 invasion and subsequent conflict. It is unfortunate that the most careful and well-resourced survey work in this area (from the UNDP and WHO)1 has been scarcely visible, while the most flawed and inadequate work has dominated public discourse. This has been largely due to the shocking (but ultimately numbing) effect of their hugely exaggerated death toll figures.

Iraq Body Count (IBC) applied an early and so far unanswered set of reality checks2 to the Johns Hopkins survey published in the Lancet in October 2006, a paper which has recently been comprehensively discredited in a new study3 by Prof. Michael Spagat of Royal Holloway University. Even among the generally inexact survey results for deaths in Iraq the "Lancet estimate" was an extreme outlier, asserting 450,000 more deaths from violence than the much larger WHO-funded study that estimated 151,000 such deaths by July 2006. The only evidence that appeared to support the Lancet finding was published by a polling company, Opinion Research Business (ORB), which estimated 1 million violent Iraqi deaths by August 2007.

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Thanks for your quick reply. I read through your links and found the following.

A report July 12 by the bipartisan legislative Commission on Wartime Contracting said that the number of State Department security contractors would more than double, from 2,700 to between 6,000 and 7,000, under current plans.

You do realize that is smaller than the entire Los Angeles Police Department force strength of 9241 officers right?

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It's a war? News to me. An occupation is a more accurate description.

It's a war alright & just about all over! Don't know where you been living? Occupation - laughable!

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Well I don't think there are any accurate figures right now to be honest.
And that report was done in 2006... and I'm sure the figures have risen since that.


Whether It's 100,000 or 1,000,000 dead.... that's quite a few.

My guess would be somewhere in the middle.

The thing is with these "Invasions".... Like Iraq, they (we) target the country's infrastructure... Water supply, hospitals, power supply and so on.
So It's not only the actual people that they bomb and kill indiscriminately, it's the amount of people who die from minor injuries and treatable diseases be they air-borne, Water-borne or infections.

It's actually pretty disturbing really.

You'd think somehow it was actually a war ON Iraq or Afghanistan... as opposed to their "leaders".

That's certainly how many, many civilians see it anyway.

Oh well.

You're probably right though.

We're really heroes and we liberated the country and only 3 people died and they were all killed by Iraqi suicide bombers and things are much better now. (just to save you an answer)

Originally posted by phatpackage

It's a war alright & just about all over! Don't know where you been living? Occupation - laughable!

A SEVEN year war against Iraq?

Are you serious?

Oh my.... where have YOU been living.

It's an occupation my friend.

How is it a war.... it was an illegal invasion.... there was NO reason and NO evidence to take us to war.


If you think we will be leaving the middle east any time soon, you clearly have no idea about our reasons for being there.

:shk:

Some people on ATS are just mind-blowingly naive.

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Ahh very good points as always.
However I've never denied that civilians were killed by coalition forces. Thousands I would add. It is a tragedy. But we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water here. To ignore the ongoing Sectarian violence and the FACT that IRAN with their supplying and supporting Insurgence extending the war a full two years or more and the Saudi supplying their favorites would be foolish wouldn't you agree?

OR do we simply just ignore that?

No, we shouldn't. No, we wont ignore that. Here have the Iraqi Government doing the best they can but we have Iran stirring the Iraqi Shiites and the Saudis supporting the Iraqi Sunnis. Both trying desperately to gain a higher % of influence on the new Iraqi Government [That whole, the enemy of my enemy is my friend bit] And this whole time who gets caught in the cross fire?