What if China and North Korea Attack USA and UK

What would uk and usa do if china teamed up with north korea and threatened USA?
We all now the power of the USA military.
Would the USA be able to cope with a threat like that?

Let me know your thoughts

Originally posted by stewalters1
What would uk and usa do if china teamed up with north korea and threatened USA?
We all now the power of the USA military.
Would the USA be able to cope with a threat like that?

Let me know your thoughts

Your thread title is MISLEADING!

You should probably read the rules of the site since you seem to have missed that part.

reply to post by stewalters1


6 stars plus 1 already here is all 1 can say. I would just duck GLOBALLY for globally being bad arses. Is there anything better to do then petty fight for agenda instead of fight to END?

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Sorry about that, i have changed the title

To answer your question, China won't team up with a country ran by a psychotic leader. China is too busy becoming a global power through economic means so why side with a country that has NO ONE on its side? That's suicidal. The U.S. could do a massive airstrike and NK would be done for. NK has manpower but the U.S. beats them in technology, air, and sea. This scenario is illogical.

Lastly, I think China made its response by NOT siding with NK during the U.S. South Korea military drills. China wants an unified Korea.

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Lets say china stop trading with USA and UK and supply NK with materials and people and then form some sort of military body and threat USA and UK with an invasion of some sort.
They wouldnt be able to use nuclear weapons because they would be shot down instantly by defence systems, an invasion my be harder to stop if you think about strategies

Originally posted by stewalters1
reply to post by mblahnikluver

 

Sorry about that, i have changed the title

NP

You shouldn't make titles like that, some people on here will believe it and freak out

If you where to take the current economic war, that is a 3 way split between USA, Europe and China, with the other upcoming nations (India, Brazil, Russia) bouncing between them..

I think any real war would actually mirror the current economic one.. it is clear the USA under Obama is not on the UKs side, but then again neither is Europe.. my hope is that we'll sit the next one out..

Anyway I feel the question is, which 2 (USA, China, Europe) will gang up on the 3rd...

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I think I'm hoping that you - and all our decision-makers - learn the difference between a "threat" and an "attack." and fyi - the real theater is economic. So I also am hoping that you - and all our decision-makers - don't decide to respond to economic "threats" with military attacks.

Originally posted by DevilJin
To answer your question, China won't team up with a country ran by a psychotic leader. China is too busy becoming a global power through economic means so why side with a country that has NO ONE on its side? That's suicidal. The U.S. could do a massive airstrike and NK would be done for. NK has manpower but the U.S. beats them in technology, air, and sea. This scenario is illogical.

Lastly, I think China made its response by NOT siding with NK during the U.S. South Korea military drills. China wants an unified Korea.

edit on 31-12-2010 by DevilJin because: no reason

You just said that china wants to concentrate on becoming a global economic power, yes they do but what if they decided they want to become a super power on a global domination scale, you would use a psycho country that makes sense, they do the leg work and china pays.

i heard that the real reason we are at war in afghanistan is to use it a military staging post for attacks on iran, The chinese are against this.

The original question was just hypothetical to gauge who people would think to win an possible strategies.

You killed it before it began

North Korea is backed silently, i.e if no big war erupts (nuclear) then China won't enter the war either.
But USA can do nothing except for a conventional war like Iraq, that has very uncertain result in North Korea.

USA cannot and will not use nukes, because this will be the end of USA. According to defected col. Lunev there are suitcase bombs inside USA. According to Cheney, Al Qaeda has them. Without them, China and Russia have EMP capabilities already installed in space orbit. Not necessarily nuclear warheads, rather a more sophisticated energy source to produce the EMP in the atmosphere. Check Russian Polyus space platform for laser and nuclear payload. The satellite that crashed with Iridium, Cosmos.... weighted 1 ton and was nuclear powered. No one knows what was inside. A Russian general commander of space forces made interview before the imminent crash, that their missiles have readiness of launch less than 120 seconds (compared to 15 minutes in the cold war). Obviously, Russians feared an EMP on their territory - the crash took place over Siberia rich in bases and resources region.
This is one scenario EMP followed by any combination of the nuclear tirade. Lunev suggests Russia won't use ICBM as a first strike, because there are other asymmetrical means - please read his interviews available online - he testified before US congress when he defected. He says if Russia and China combine forces, they can attack USA tomorrow. Russia does not want anymore the continental USA that leaves to China. You know, no one will launch ICBM if after the first strike (whatever it might be) the remaining US leaders decide to seek negotiated solution in order to SURVIVE. A good movie though old, is First Strike available on youtube.

I suggest other scenarios with the use of space Spirals that both China and Russia posses, and flying Pyramids. USA has its Triangle "UFO" that reportedly is faster than light and spaceship. However, USA does not possess the torsion fields of the Spirals - no such demonstration on US territory. They tried something in Canada, very unsuccessful. Russia tested at least two spirals and showed at least three videos of pyramids, while China showed one large video from 1988 with one or more spirals, and at least 3 pyramids - two together and one released recently over an airport - the pyramid itself produces a field around, that turns into a spiral, then a wormhole opening where the pyramid disappears. ET? Ok then Russia and China have stronger friends than the US Grey, Orion and Draco.



US leaders know all of that and prepare plans to withdraw on their off world bases. (Henry Deacon, others n Project Camelot). Alex Collier says those bases are on Procyon and recently, Altair. Other insiders name Australia as the place of escape. Or the moon-mars? No matter, US govt both secret and overt, is preparing to FLEE.

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Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by stewalters1

 

I think I'm hoping that you - and all our decision-makers - learn the difference between a "threat" and an "attack." and fyi - the real theater is economic. So I also am hoping that you - and all our decision-makers - don't decide to respond to economic "threats" with military attacks.


Exactly! i was waiting for someone to say that, but look at both possibilities, I favour the economic threat but I am interested in anything people think.
Thank you for the reply






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China will ally themselves with the muslim world, the world will be divided into two parts, China will rule supreme and we will be the ones working in sweat shops. Whilst muslims cut off peoples hands and go about throwing stones whilst people are buried upto there necks. There both the same but one rules with religion...

That is all.

Originally posted by stewalters1

Originally posted by DevilJin
To answer your question, China won't team up with a country ran by a psychotic leader. China is too busy becoming a global power through economic means so why side with a country that has NO ONE on its side? That's suicidal. The U.S. could do a massive airstrike and NK would be done for. NK has manpower but the U.S. beats them in technology, air, and sea. This scenario is illogical.

Lastly, I think China made its response by NOT siding with NK during the U.S. South Korea military drills. China wants an unified Korea.

edit on 31-12-2010 by DevilJin because: no reason

You just said that china wants to concentrate on becoming a global economic power, yes they do but what if they decided they want to become a super power on a global domination scale, you would use a psycho country that makes sense, they do the leg work and china pays.

i heard that the real reason we are at war in afghanistan is to use it a military staging post for attacks on iran, The chinese are against this.

The original question was just hypothetical to gauge who people would think to win an possible strategies.

You killed it before it began

I know I "killed it before it began" because power is shifted in favor of the West, which is why the U.S. is allowed to start wars here and there without heavy criticism or a serious backlash. Europe disagreed with the U.S. in the Iraq war BUT Obama is said to be loved in Europe so who knows what they think now. North Korea, if it was an open society, doing the leg would give the world ample reason to bomb the [bleep] out of it if China used it as a war machine.

Since we are disregarding logic for the hypothetical, then I would say if China indirectly attack the U.S. and U.K.,
NATO and the U.S. would both attack NK and China would bail out.

If China and NK both directly attack the U.S. and U.K., then NATO and U.S. would probably first see how Russia and India would play in this to prevent a WW3 from happening and if both say they will stay put, then China and NK would probably be bombed to death or punished (i.e. criticized) in some way through the U.N.

In both cases, the most important thing here is how the U.S. would respond to another superpower and not some little third world country because such a scenario could trigger WW3.

I’ve been talking about this since the day I found out that China had a billion residences. I used to think that China would just get up one morning and walk across the UK annihilating everyone thru the force of Kung Fu. I also thought that since the US has been at war, just about my entire life, with one country or another, that we are spreading our selves thin with all this fighting. What happens when other countries jump in the war wile we are so spread out with our own military; we may not be able to do anything about it. This was many years ago. Today I have a different opinion about this subject.

There is one thing that I have learned about Asian cultures, they have taken the motto of “If we can’t beat them, join them, and if we are going to join them, join them to beat them.” China is on the way to replacing the US as the dominant power of the world. But it’s not going to do it through military strength, but through capitalism. The US has pushed China to advocating capitalism in their country and they have been apart of this for some time now and because of this, they have become apart of the global monetary system that is controlled by the US dollar at this moment. The one thing that leads me to believe that China will soon take over as the monetary backer of the world is because China is getting out of the dollar as fast as they can with out going bankrupt in the process and moving to the Japanese Yen or Euro as there backing monetary savor. As of today, the Euro is worth .753012 of the US dollar. As the US devalues its money, this price will go up. Singapore’s dollar is worth 1.29006 of ours. The Chinese Yuan is 6.60083 of ours right now. If you go to China with $100 and trade it in you would have 600 Yuan. 1 Chinese Yuan is worth 12.3478 Japanese Yen. 1 Us dollar is worth 81.506 Japanese Yen or 6.60083 Chinese Yuan. As China gathers US dollars wile the US is devaluing its money, China can make money off of trading the US dollar for other money and make better profit margins than just holding onto the US dollars until its worthless. Our money will never be worth as much in the future as it is today, so why not get rid of it wile you can and make some money off of the trades.

As the US continues to devalue its money, this will increase prices around the US and make it harder for the bottom 50% to attain basic needs. We’re already focused down to the point of almost not being about to make it. This is the main reason the bottom 50% don’t have savings. Its really hard to save when all you can do is spend the money on the basics such as electricity, food, fuel for you car, insurance, gas for heat and cooking, and phone for emergencies. A person making $20,000 a year, gross, takes home $16,000 after taxes. Total expenses to live in a 2 bedroom house are around $15,000 per year. This price rally depends on where you live. That leaves $1000 to do what you want with. What happens when you need tires for your car? The last time I bought tires for my car it was $276 for 4 tires, and those were the cheaper ones too. Take $1000 and divide that by 12 months and that leaves $83.33 per month to spend on what you want. The people at the top just don’t understand that the people at the bottom don’t have enough money to buy there products out side of the necessities, with out credit, in which is why we are in the crisis now. At this time you can’t change jobs for a better one because no one is hiring. Going to college will surely put you into debt in a flash. Once you graduate you have to start paying back those loans, with out work this is really hard to do. If you don’t start paying on the loans after graduating and get them deferred, the interest goes sky high pushing you further into debt that you are probably not going to ever be able to pay back.

This whole monetary system is the root to all these problems. If there was no money there would not be as much greed and therefore people may get the help they need. If there wasn’t a fee on everything we did in life, then we would have more money in our pockets to spend on frivolous items.

We are all connected in this and with out the bottom 50% the top 50% wouldn’t exist. Because we are on the bottom, we hold everything up. If everyone at the bottom stopped working today, the top 50% would become the bottom 50% to make 100% of us absolutely broke! The biggest difference is that the top 50% would have a much harder time surviving than the bottom 50% because we at the bottom are used to going with out, and they at the top are not used to going with out. The only problem with this is that most of the top 50% don’t actually live in the US. This means that when the US collapses they won’t be in as bad a shape as we will be.

China is on the way up wile the US is on the way out! According to the stock market crash of the 30’s and 40’s, we are on the same track right now. If history repeats itself, then we should start see prices rise in the next few months to come. By the end of 2011, we will have tanked the stock market again, and with in the next year, 2012, the US will be broke and a third world nation. All this is with out any natural deserters or invasion from another country. If we have one more Katrina, we can for get about it altogether. We have seen that the government did nothing to help anyone during, or after, the Katrina hurricane. People are still living in huts and tend today! I sure can’t see them helping anyone out during the crash of 2011/ 12! It’s everyone for them selves once this happens.

So to answer your question; Yes! I think China will end up on top of the world, for the second or third time in world history, but with North Korea at its side, I’m not so sure about that. Although North Korea and China have been buddies for years it is very possible for this to happen. China may end up funding N.K.’s nuclear bomb ambitions, but I think China’s goal here is not to get directly into a fight with the US, at this time, and let N.K. do all the work to beat us down, from a monetary stand point. This would enable China to over take the US because we use money as our way of life not morals. The whole goal here is to make the US broke beyond the point of return so that we will monetarily collapse and not be able to pay our solders to do battle. Right now we are heading down this road because of war. We are just about broke, no one is going to lend us money anymore because we have never paid anyone back the money that we have owed for decades now. Where do we go? Up and away is what I say! There is only one solution, get rid of the money.

We didn’t need money before money was invented, why do we need it now? Everyone can learn how to plant seeds and grow food. We only need food, water, and shelter to survive. We don’t need TV’s, cars, internet, cable, DVD’s, CD’s, computers, etc. to survive, we just like this stuff because it keeps our time occupied. This occupation was the reason to invent money, so that we would have money in our pocket instead of plant in the ground. It was invented to get us to stop planting and start buying the stuff from and entrepreneurs. This is a whole other subject that I’ll cover some other time.

But I think I have given enough of my thoughts on this subject and I’m glad that you have brought it up.

Lil Kim is dumb, but by no means that stupid enough to attack US or UK or both. He wants only power for himself and his dynasty, not amargeddon. China has more than social problems on their hands to wage wars now.

There will be NO war on US or UK shores. Such beliefs are only playing into the hands of the elites whom urgently needs a distraction from its global domination policy mistakes to the masses.

The more the talk of war, the more these animals cream in their pants. For once, stop it and reverse the social engineering tactics. Futhermore, we have more than enough of killings and murders in a decade serving for corporate greed.

It is time we stand together, end wars and fight for mankind and peace, and stop the manipulations that send our courageous young to die on foriegn shores.

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That is an excellent reply! much appreciated thank you

Originally posted by ez2cthetruth
We didn’t need money before money was invented, why do we need it now?

You win The Stupidest Comment Ever Made Award! Please collect your award this time yesterday.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Lil Kim is dumb, but by not means that stupid enough to attack US or UK or both. He wants only power for himself and his dynasty, not amargeddon.

There will be NO war on US or UK shores. Such beliefs are only playing into the hands of the elites whom urgently needs a distraction from its global domination policy mistakes to the masses.

The more the talk of war, the more these animals wet their pants. For once, stop it and reverse the social engineering tactics. Futhermore, we havemore than enough of killings and murders for corporate greed. It is time we stand together, end wars and fight for mankind and peace, and stop the manipulations that send our courageous young to die on foriegn shores.

Your absolutely right in your comments however you say it's time we make a stand. . . . This really angers me! How do we make a stand. I here it everyday and no one ever does.
How do you start making a stand against the government without being put in the "terrorist" section and locked away for ever with no way out.

I guess we have to accept your premise that China would team up with North Korea to threatened the USA. And is not North Korea threatened the US today with its words? So I assume we are talking about a military threat rather than the current war of words

As some other posters have mentioned, I do not see it in China’s current plans to threaten their biggest customer and marketplace with military action so we again have to assume that relationships between the US and China have fallen to such a low ebb and that trade is so low that China would not care about the lost of trade. The only way I can see the commercial relationship being so bad that China would not care, would be if the US defaulted on its debts, and China was out of pocket.

And I guess you are assuming that the UK would continue to support US foreign policy, and that events in North Korea would be in line with the UK’s foreign policy, and there would be a good chance that the UK would be keen to keep trade flowing from the production bases in the Far East, so I think it a fair thing to say that the US and the UK would be on the same page if China and North Korea teamed up.

Lets looks at how China and North Korea could in the short term, threaten the US, as I do not seem either of these being able to threaten the homelands of the US and UK, and today, neither China or North Korea have the deep water fleets to threaten both the US and the UK, and please remain that any serious threat to the US or the UK, would also start debate within NATO, so any military attack on the UK or the US would mean that both China and North Korea would then face NATO, and I am confident that military planners in China would not want to face the military power of NATO.

So threats made would be on military and economic assets, and the US and UK combined would have the military power projection to make both China and North Korea think twice.

You would have the factor in the military bases that would be available in Japan and Taiwan, which would give the US the ability to launch military strikes from closer to China, and not put the carriers at such huge risk.

Of course, any threat on the US and UK, would also evoke the UN and the EU to act and one would have to believe that the UN and EU would side with the US and UK, if that had not done anything to provoke China and North Korea. But with China have a seat on the security council, the chances of the UN passing a meaningful resolution are zero.

Military planners will always be updating deployment plans based on a series of events and an escalation of tension around Korea and China would be part of planning, and yes with assistance from the UK and NATO, the US would be capable of raising to any threat from China and North Korea.