Draco is a red herring. Beware the Pleiadians.

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Mixing aliens with the bible is like mixing icecream with dirt..
Bible is a book you can decode to whatever you want, its written that way to make more followers, great sale tactic

reply to post by Vandalour

Ok, I am a Bible believer and you are not, I can respect that. However, even without reverence to the Bible you can see how these people; Icke, Sitchen, and Colleen Thomas use Biblical texts out of context to support themselves. So, I used the same texts that they ascribe to, namely Enoch, to denounce their claims. Regardless of whether or not you believe these texts to have divine inspiration in them, there is quite a bit of historical value. Perhaps Enoch's watchers were ETs and he didn't understand. Even if this were the case, some information can be taken from the story and used to give us information on these "ETs", and that information points to Pleiades.

reply to post by Vandalour


I can see where Nostradamus, much of Edgar Cayce, or the Seth Material--just to name a few--are written in the way you suggest, but I think the Bible is the only holy book, ancient or otherwise, that makes preternatural sense of both yesterday & today.

Sure, it has it's mysteries, but it also has an eerie track record of prophecies that aren't convolutions of syntax. Israel becoming a nation again comes readily to mind. What were the odds o' that?

Originally posted by Mayura
What your describing are factions of the same empire. This is a fact.

Yes, Draconians exist and are playing their role... consuming children, fear mongering, dabbling with lower sects of government, military installations, etc. Yet, these are the lower cast of the dark cabal.

In this grand, dark, empire... the Nordics run the higher echelons. These are the 'Gods' described throughout history. Any reference to an ET humanoid and you can bet it's them. Any religion, especially The New Age movement is swarming with them.

Unlike the reptilians, who actually eat people, the blondies feed energetically from humanity. Where do you think all the psychic energy from church gatherings go?

They will be showing up in the near future, to 'save' us from our dark overlords. Be careful of this ploy and the (un)conditional love they will be spewing out. Good cop, bad cop at it's finest.

It's easy to see the job they do on certain channelers and others... Look at Colleen! She was lured into an entirely false paradigm and has no idea which way is up, or even who she is. Oh right, shes Isis the lover of Archangel Michael...

Edit: On a further note... these Nordics are nothing but reptilians who have altered their DNA. If you didn't know, genetics are the number one commodity out there. It has actually been stolen from the Plaedies. Though, don't expect to be seeing any actual Plaedians because this empire has the entire planet gridlocked. Good luck with future events gentlemen.

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"Yes, Draconians exist and are playing their role... consuming children, fear mongering, dabbling with lower sects of government, military installations, etc. Yet, these are the lower cast of the dark cabal" This was actually my suspicion, they seem to be obvious scapegoats. Why don't we ever see messengers of the Draconians? Why aren't they making an effort to get better PR? They are always the bad guys!

As for this bit: "In this grand, dark, empire... the Nordics run the higher echelons. These are the 'Gods' described throughout history. Any reference to an ET humanoid and you can bet it's them. Any religion, especially The New Age movement is swarming with them.

Unlike the reptilians, who actually eat people, the blondies feed energetically from humanity. Where do you think all the psychic energy from church gatherings go?" I've already divulged Enoch chapter XIX which says that the Watchers played god with humanity, but the book says there is one true God. I wouldn't be so quick as to write off all religion as an invention of the Watchers, ET or Angel. Isn't that what they would want you to think? That every concept of god came from one of them? Just because you know their wicked nature doesn't mean they can't still lead you astray. As far as them feeding on psychic energy from church; that would seem feasable but I have not once been advised by these messengers to go to church. Even the psuedo-bible based "Pleiadians" tout the "eternal truth is found within" tripe. As though one can find enlightenment through solipsism and naval gazing.

Anyways, if the Watchers are coming back then we're talking about the Apocalypse; the lifting of the veil. We'll be able to see through the BS soon enough.

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Hmmm indeed.

Poor reptilians... they are fearsome, but I feel sorry for em too... still magnificent creatures and warriors in their own right. They are also getting played at the end of the day.

As far as the big dogs... It's hard to tell what's for real, because they always mix in bits of truth with their messages. Believe me, all religions are energy farms. Some messages sound so good, so true, but then they tell you to worship this, or use this light energy, etc.

Still, look within... I suggest always following your heart. There's universal truth there.

Why no mention of Robert Morning Sky and The Terra Papers in this thread?

Might be worth checking out while researching this stuff, for those who haven't read it...

Originally posted by kallisti36
Yes, the King of Tyre speach much like the "lucifer" one in Isaiah(which I don't believe to refer to the devil) makes no direct reference to Satan. However unlike the lucifer speach, the aspects given to the "King of Tyre" could not possibly be attributed to a man. Why would Ezekiel refer to the King of Tyre as being in Eden (only 3 sapient creatures in Eden) and being a Cherubim, awfully blasphemous unless he were referring to a celestial King of Tyre (possession perhaps?).

For some time, I thought based on some of the prophecy against the Prince of Tyre, that it was just a man. Then I wondered, what if its like Gog, Prince of Magog and Michael, Prince of Israel? After looking at the verse again it does seem possible that the verse could be talking about one of the 70. Yet it is also implied he has become a mortal, like the warning from Psalm 82 which says in the Hebrew, "They will become mortal and die like Adam" if they fail in their duties.

Ah, yes I totally forgot about the Seraphim, but still, there is no record of fallen Seraphim (atleast directly), only Watchers and Cherubim.

Remeber the fiery serpent description? In the Book of Enoch, the Seraphim are actually referred to as "dragons".

In the Book of Revelations, the "Red Dragon" in Heaven with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns. The dragon isn't "red". The word in the Greek used there is Pyros, which actually translates as Fiery. Looking at what the angel tells John about the Beast, which is in imitation, of the Fiery Dragon in Heaven. The Heads, Horns and Crowns of the Dragon could be many Seraphim.

I also would put forward the idea that Ha-Satan is among the Grigori. You see Ha-Satan is a title, it means "the accuser", the entity known as Satan is never dignified with a proper name in the official Biblical canon, and no it is not "lucifer".

He isn't given a proper name in scripture, but he is frequently referred to as being "Prince of the World" and even "god of the Aeon". Outside scripture, he is given a name, Samael, Prince of Rome.

So Satan could be any one of the fallen watchers, or he could have had a seperate rebellion, which is what you seem to be implying. If you can give evidence that there were two rebellions in Heaven I would appreciate it.

The first mass fall, "rebellion", would be from Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch. Its presented as history.

The second fall is presented as prophecy, which is the fall of the Prince of the World, as presented in the Book of John and the entire empire, the Fiery Dragon of seven heads in Revelations. This fall is always referenced as a coming event, not a past event.

Anyways, Enoch is an extension of Genesis 6 which describes the "Sons of God" having sex with the daughters of men. From my understanding, Son of God implies a direct creation of God. The only people who are Sons of God are Angels, Adam and Eve, Ya'hshuah, and those who are "born again" by the spirit. Ya'hshuah was the bridge between man and God, because he was a direct creation and was born of man, hence Son of God and Son of Man. So, Sons of God can refer to any angel including the Watchers, so yes the Sons of God that are with Satan in Job could very likely be the same from Genesis 6 or a different group. I believe them to be one in the same because Ya'hshuah describes Satan being cast down.

Jesus, "Yehoshuah", said he saw him "like lightning fall from heaven" in Luke. He's talking of a vision of the future.
Compare John 12:31

Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the Prince of this world will be driven out.

John 16:11

and in regard to judgment, because the Prince of this world now stands condemned.

Likewise, events portrayed in Revelations as said to be a prophetic vision of John of Patmos.

On the other hand, Azazel, who helped lead the Grigori, is said to have been bound on earth and others like him also bound on earth or in the "Bottomless Pit".

Also look at Ephesians 2:2

in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

The Greek word used there for air, Aeros, is the Lower Heavens. The Powers and Principalities are also described as being in Heaven in Ephesians.

The Prince of the world isn't bound on earth or in the abyss, yet. According to Yehoshuah in John 16, his crucifixion, begins the process that will lead to the fall and binding which is described in Revelations.

Originally posted by kallisti36
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I'm sorry when I said "appear as men" I was using gender inclusive Biblical language, I meant humanoid. Colleen Thomas may have fake breasts but she's still a woman.

Point taken. The name Colleen Thomas means nothing to me. I have read what she says, and she is full of it. There are many who say they channel ET, but I have to tell you most are just charlatans who will take your money and give you nothing but dreams. I have spoken to 4 Pleiads, about a year ago. One was real near me, with his hand on my head, the others at the foot of my bed. two were female. One other female, perhaps Pleiad, who was my companion for one night about 20 years ago. What they said is only for me, I didn't get some big message for mankind. They contact many people around the world, some you may know. Most say nothing of this contact, for it is a personal things. They look just like me and you, but you can really see their aura.

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Thank you! Learning new things here. I had read somewhere that the dragon was a seraphim. Perhaps angels can belong to one or more orders or the Prince over Tyre was an entirely different fallen angel.

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Thank you, that was an excellent series (great haircuts too). They even talk about these spirit entities using red herrings when a belligerant evil spirit would enter followed by an altruistic one who would denounce the previous spirit. This creates contrast between the two entities and makes you more trusting of the nice one. This is exactly what these "Pleiadians" do. They talk about the Reptilians who are here to exploit, destroy, and eat babies. The Pleiadians on the other hand are here to help us, they have no ulterior motives look at all the nice things they say. They say we can move to a higher density of consciousness we just need to "let them in". Of course they aren't evil, put them next to the reptilians (as they often do) look at how nice they look.

Another interesting thing I noticed in the video, not a single one of those people asked if these entities were from YHWH or Ya'hshuah.

By the way, remember it's not God (Babylonian luck god) or Jesus (anglified version of a bad Greek translation) it's Yahweh (or yah-ho-vah) and Ya'hshuah.

reply to post by kallisti36


Interesting thread OP, IMHO, this is why some religions teach people to not judge, for in the same they will be judged, important point if you ask me. When dealing with higher dimensions, it is best not to judge as all judgment is just a reflection of your own inner truth.

Originally posted by kallisti36

Thank you, that was an excellent series (great haircuts too). They even talk about these spirit entities using red herrings when a belligerant evil spirit would enter followed by an altruistic one who would denounce the previous spirit. This creates contrast between the two entities and makes you more trusting of the nice one. This is exactly what these "Pleiadians" do...

Yeah, my own experiences & research into the new age/new thought/shamanistic community--before the Holy Bible hit me square in the face--introduced me to a select few whom I came to fully believe were communicating with hyper-intelligent beings or at the very least 'over-shadowed' by something they didn't understand.

I found the former channelers in those vids consistent with channelers I considered in true contact and, despite their haircuts, convincing in their experiences as well.

By the way, remember it's not God (Babylonian luck god) or Jesus (anglified version of a bad Greek translation) it's Yahweh (or yah-ho-vah) and Ya'hshuah.

Thanks. I recognize the truth, power, and beauty in that teaching and have been slow to fully adopt it out of fear of being misunderstood. I stand gratefully corrected though.

Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by MikeboydUS

 

Thank you! Learning new things here. I had read somewhere that the dragon was a seraphim. Perhaps angels can belong to one or more orders or the Prince over Tyre was an entirely different fallen angel.

Happy New Year.

The orders thing is confusing. Angels, Celestials seem to be classified by type/species, e.g. Cherubim, and position, e.g. Princes, Powers, soldiers, messengers, etc. For instance the Prince of Tyre was described as being a Cherub in Eden at one time. In Genesis after G-d expels Adam and Eve from paradise, He places a Cherub there with a flaming sword to keep them out. I wonder if that could be the Prince of Tyre, before he rose up the ranks? It would fit.

reply to post by pitchdragon


Have you read the "Terra Papers" - they describe a giant space-ship (like the Death Star from Starwars) that collided with Earth. They also describe a Galactic Empire, who include master genetic engineers. From what I can understand, these beings would have originated with the creation of the universe itself.

I think that the human race is much more advanced than the other aliens would like to give us credit for...

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Quite presumptuous to believe so much without any proof.

Dragon /Draconians will attack Russia (Bear). Other nations will be subdued while Russia will resist.
Revelation 1217

15 December, 2007. Message from Our Lady in Anguera Brazil , 2930. ourladyanguera2007.blogspot.com...

Dear Sons and Daughters, bend your knees in prayer. Peace in the world is endangered. I suffer because of what is waiting for you. The day will come when the furious dragon will set fire to the lair of the bear, and my poor children will experience great suffering. Behold, the times predicted by Me have come. Evil has penetrated many hearts and many of My poor children are going spiritually blind. Don´t flee from grace. God needs you. Open your hearts. Something sorrowful will happen in Denmark, and will be repeated in Rio de Janeiro. Humanity needs to accept love. Love cures, frees, and saves. Love always and you will be capable of accepting My appeals. Forward without fear.This is the message I transmit to you today in the name of The Most Holy Trinity. Thank you for permitting Me to reunite you here once more. I bless you in the name of The Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Spirit. Amen. Be at peace. It is quite possible more events to happen before that, including Russia to attack the West.

Does anyone in this thread have any evidence at all of these wild claims? This reads to me more like badly written science fiction than any attempt at understanding reality...

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I haven't been on this thread in months!

Anyway, no I don't have any more proof than the crazy conspiracy theorists who say we are going to be saved from the Draconians by the Pleiadians. What weirds me out, and why I believe people should be wary of any Pleiadians, is that these people claim to be the Pleiadians. First of all, you'd think they'd have a different name for their star system and two, perhaps Pleiadian doesn't mean "people from Pleiades" but simply the Pleiadians. To me it looks as though they are taking on the identity of those bound by God or the gods in the stars of Pleiades according to the religious tradition of numerous cultures.

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Isn't the dragon in these types of prophecies usually China? Anyways, I'm not saying that the Draconians aren't bad, I was saying that they are a distraction and it's the Pleiadians who worry me.

reply to post by kallisti36


I have a question :
Do people VERY SICK OF ALIENS fall into the " beware , don't be decieved by the xxx aliens"?
Because I REALLY AM SICK OF ALIENS...
grey , reptilians , plasma BS, etc etc etc...
Wasn't this world a better place without all these f.... aliens/entities?
WHO NEEDS THEM ANYWAY?
And WHY doesn't the REAL GOD/MASTER OF WORLDS doesn't do anything about them?!
I mean , I am a christian , I believe in Jesus , but things are "a little out of hand " lately...
SOME "police " in needed!