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I have a completely insane view of the law
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It is my belief, that people that are paid to uphold the law, should not be allowed to break laws to "catch the bad guys". In order to "catch a bad
guy" buying drugs, undercover officers break the law, sell them drugs or fake drugs(even selling fake drugs is illegal in some places). I don't
think that should be allowed. In order to catch a guy selling illegal drugs, undercover officers buy drugs, which is illegal. I don't think that
should be allowed. In order to catch a guy that wants to buy a prostitute, an undercover officer dresses up like a hooker, and offers to sell sex
which is illegal. I don't think that should be allowed. In order to catch a prostitute, an undercover offers to buy sex, which is illegal(kind of). I
don't think that should be allowed.
It is also my belief that police should not be in so many high speed car chases, it only endangers everyone on the road. I can see if a person has already demonstrated a lack of respect for other people's saftety by say shooting up a mall, or killing a person or two. That seems justified to me.
It is also my belief, that the victimless crimes in the first paragragh, should not be against the law in the first place. There are plenty of laws out there, which no one is hurting anyone else, I think those laws should be tossed out.
Am i psycho or what?
It is also my belief that police should not be in so many high speed car chases, it only endangers everyone on the road. I can see if a person has already demonstrated a lack of respect for other people's saftety by say shooting up a mall, or killing a person or two. That seems justified to me.
It is also my belief, that the victimless crimes in the first paragragh, should not be against the law in the first place. There are plenty of laws out there, which no one is hurting anyone else, I think those laws should be tossed out.
Am i psycho or what?
reply to post by TKDRL
I totally agree with what you've said, so I may not be able to give an objective opinion.
However; I'm pretty sure we are not allowed to dress up like cops to catch them...
Am i psycho or what?
I totally agree with what you've said, so I may not be able to give an objective opinion.
However; I'm pretty sure we are not allowed to dress up like cops to catch them...
reply to post by TKDRL
Probably , but who cares , right ? I pretty much agree with what you are saying .
Am i psycho or what?
Probably , but who cares , right ? I pretty much agree with what you are saying .
reply to post by Dogdish
Nope, impersonating an officer is a bad thing to do, I think might even be a felony lol. What we can do is keep an eye on the police if we see them making a stop, and if we something that looks suspicious, get their badge number and report it. Those of us with cell phone cameras could record it as well, except in some insane places that deemed it illegal.
Nope, impersonating an officer is a bad thing to do, I think might even be a felony lol. What we can do is keep an eye on the police if we see them making a stop, and if we something that looks suspicious, get their badge number and report it. Those of us with cell phone cameras could record it as well, except in some insane places that deemed it illegal.
There would be no other way to prove they are breaking the law.
I salute the under covers risking their life. Kill the weed at the root,peoples lives are seriously affected by these criminals,they have kids that have to live through the torment of having such a parent. They have neighbors that have to wonder if they will get involved.
I salute the under covers risking their life. Kill the weed at the root,peoples lives are seriously affected by these criminals,they have kids that have to live through the torment of having such a parent. They have neighbors that have to wonder if they will get involved.
reply to post by TKDRL
As far as I know all of the things in your OP are illegal in the UK and are classed as entrapment. I do know that if you commit a crime on a motorbike and you ride off not wearing a helmet then the police are not allowed to chase you as they are putting your life in danger
I don't know which system is more insane
As far as I know all of the things in your OP are illegal in the UK and are classed as entrapment. I do know that if you commit a crime on a motorbike and you ride off not wearing a helmet then the police are not allowed to chase you as they are putting your life in danger
I don't know which system is more insane
edit on 31-12-2010 by davespanners because: (no reason given)
Where do you draw the line? If you want to kill the weed at the root, then legalization is the only way to go. What about all those kids that had
parents that smoked some pot, their parents went to jail, then got molested or raped by foster parents, or spent the rest of their juvenile life in
some group home? Maybe you never lived in a group home, then I can understand your ignorance. I did live in one for a few months, and it was worse
than the few months that I lived on the streets... You want to see dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, a group home will show you exactly what that
means. Jail is even worse.
edit on Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:28:49 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)
reply to post by davespanners
Well, chasing a person on a motorbike is not only putting the rider in danger. Say a motorcycle is being chased down a highway, motorcycle wipes out and the bike bounces into oncoming traffic. The biker dies, and the people just driving down the highway and got hit with the bike are dead or badly injured. Is that worth the risk of catching a any criminal? I say no. If you are chasing someone that gunned down people and already demonstrated a tendancy to not value anyone elses life, that is a different story. But chasing someone that disobeyed a traffic law, or something stupid, I say that is not worth the risk.
Well, chasing a person on a motorbike is not only putting the rider in danger. Say a motorcycle is being chased down a highway, motorcycle wipes out and the bike bounces into oncoming traffic. The biker dies, and the people just driving down the highway and got hit with the bike are dead or badly injured. Is that worth the risk of catching a any criminal? I say no. If you are chasing someone that gunned down people and already demonstrated a tendancy to not value anyone elses life, that is a different story. But chasing someone that disobeyed a traffic law, or something stupid, I say that is not worth the risk.
reply to post by TKDRL
I tend to agree with what you've said.
And I'm not sure why prostitution is illegal in the first place. Drugs, I could see why it'd be illegal to buy any sizable amount of them but what you describe in the OP is basically entrapment. I could see running some sort of deceptive operation if we're dealing with an extremely serious crime like rape, murder, etc but something like prostitution or merely attempting to buy some drugs intended for personal use only is pushing it.
I tend to agree with what you've said.
And I'm not sure why prostitution is illegal in the first place. Drugs, I could see why it'd be illegal to buy any sizable amount of them but what you describe in the OP is basically entrapment. I could see running some sort of deceptive operation if we're dealing with an extremely serious crime like rape, murder, etc but something like prostitution or merely attempting to buy some drugs intended for personal use only is pushing it.
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31-12-2010 by Titen-Sxull because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
If a woman is willing to sell her vagina for said price, and some lonely guy is willing to buy said vagina, for asking price, who was hurt? At this point I can say it is only the government that is hurt, because most said lonely guys would be embarrassed, and pay cash. Hard to tax a cash money business, anyone that gets payed cash, unless they are of a slave mentality, is not going to claim it. Same with drugs, if I grew pot to sell, the only thing I would accept as payment is cash, no way I am going to let the government mooch off of ALL my labor.
If a woman is willing to sell her vagina for said price, and some lonely guy is willing to buy said vagina, for asking price, who was hurt? At this point I can say it is only the government that is hurt, because most said lonely guys would be embarrassed, and pay cash. Hard to tax a cash money business, anyone that gets payed cash, unless they are of a slave mentality, is not going to claim it. Same with drugs, if I grew pot to sell, the only thing I would accept as payment is cash, no way I am going to let the government mooch off of ALL my labor.
Oh yeah, I should probably add, not only men partake in buying prostitutes, so selling some time with a penis should not be illegal either. I guess I
should cover gay sex too, for both guys and girls as well.
Originally posted by davespanners
reply to post by TKDRL
As far as I know all of the things in your OP are illegal in the UK and are classed as entrapment.
The things that she has described are not Illegal and infact does happen in the UK.
www.lep.co.uk...
It is not entrapment by definition. Entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit. In no way are these drug dealers or users (in most cases) being induced by law enforcement to commit these crimes. The police are simply providing the opportunity for the crime, and in most cases they are not inducing the person into the situation. Should the police be video taped a lot, yes. The police do a lot more worse things than you described, like beat innocent people and sometimes shoot innocent people. I think you should be angrier about those issues rather than with Undercover cops pretending to sell drugs to catch dealers and stuff similar to that. Only if they are forcing people into those situations when they normally wouldn't be do i find it wrong, and that is entrapment. If i'm wrong by all means let me have it. I love civil discussion.
edit on 26-3-2011 by dwmjr1985 because: My grammar and
spelling are appalling.
I do agree with the OP about them endangering other peoples lives as in Shooting up a mall with people in it.
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reply to post by dwmjr1985
Well yeah, beating and shooting people are obviously bad too and needs to be stopped as well. Not sure how the UK is, but in the US, having a criminal record will stop you from getting a decent paying job. Arresting people for victimless crimes, and ruining their life is a problem I say. It forces them to live off some crap minimum slavewage job, or turn to crime to make more money. Not a good thing at all.
Well yeah, beating and shooting people are obviously bad too and needs to be stopped as well. Not sure how the UK is, but in the US, having a criminal record will stop you from getting a decent paying job. Arresting people for victimless crimes, and ruining their life is a problem I say. It forces them to live off some crap minimum slavewage job, or turn to crime to make more money. Not a good thing at all.
reply to post by TKDRL
I totally agree with you. Case in point Marijuana. It's really not as bad of a drug as a few people say. The only reason violence is linked to it is because it is illegal. Also if you eliminated poverty you would eliminate many of the reasons why people sell and use these substances. Prostitution should be legal in a healthier environment than what is seen on the streets. These women especially should not be arrested and in cases of child prostitution the "John" should be arrested. Most of these women are victims not criminals.
I totally agree with you. Case in point Marijuana. It's really not as bad of a drug as a few people say. The only reason violence is linked to it is because it is illegal. Also if you eliminated poverty you would eliminate many of the reasons why people sell and use these substances. Prostitution should be legal in a healthier environment than what is seen on the streets. These women especially should not be arrested and in cases of child prostitution the "John" should be arrested. Most of these women are victims not criminals.
op your not insane just have lots of common sense.
Whats gets my blood boiling is our government selling weapons to the likes of saddam and then we go back several years later and wipe out his country, because he has weapons of mass destruction
the insanity never stops on so many levels
Whats gets my blood boiling is our government selling weapons to the likes of saddam and then we go back several years later and wipe out his country, because he has weapons of mass destruction
the insanity never stops on so many levels
edit on 26-3-2011 by allprowolfy because: (no reason given)
reply to post by allprowolfy
Lol yeah it is insanity the world we live in. I only started this thread for laughs, because one of the people here that claim to be cops told me I have an insane view of the law. I forget who it was, or even what thread really.
Lol yeah it is insanity the world we live in. I only started this thread for laughs, because one of the people here that claim to be cops told me I have an insane view of the law. I forget who it was, or even what thread really.
Originally posted by whipsandchainsamerica
There would be no other way to prove they are breaking the law.
I salute the under covers risking their life. Kill the weed at the root,peoples lives are seriously affected by these criminals,they have kids that have to live through the torment of having such a parent. They have neighbors that have to wonder if they will get involved.
Right, nice circular logic."Kid's suffer" from criminal parents, nice loose language. Children, a good shield used by every fascist or wannabe fascist regime in history. We owe it to the children to give them a Just society, not a society where the ends justify the means, that embraces the true definition and distinction of evil.
P.S cop's don't use entrapment for DV or child abuse/negligence so your children argument is bunk. And if you remove the emotions from "for the children" you got nothing.
And gang's exist because of prohibition, without prohibition they would starve.
Also reasonable suspicion law's are already enough to catch prostitutes, drug dealers and other people who commit criminal actions. Of course it requires a more intelligent police force, and a harder working more honorable police force. But it could work and perhaps it would end the police hammer state by requiring police officers to think instead of just shooting up innocent people.
Means justify the ends=good, ends justify the means=evil.
edit on 27-3-2011 by korathin because: (no reason given)
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by allprowolfy
Lol yeah it is insanity the world we live in. I only started this thread for laughs, because one of the people here that claim to be cops told me I have an insane view of the law. I forget who it was, or even what thread really.
A good many of the cop's today would of been bandits 80-120 years ago. Bunch of thugs with a badge and a gun that don't care a wit about the law or Constitutional rights. Only care about their own version of the law and their own narrow minded dog like mental thought work of things.
Ask around about cop's past. A good many of them where only good at one thing when they where kid's, being bullies. By forcing them to act honorably your forcing bullies to "play nice", something bullies obviously would protest and think it insane.
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forgot to add "Not all cop's are bad, some can be pretty awesome and good at their job's. When cop's are good,they enrich and bring value to a community that would be sorely missed without them."
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reply to post by korathin
I found out one of my drinking buddies is a cop. He told me he was a few times, I didn't think he was serious. At the bar we go to, in the smoking section there is always a joint or pipe being passed around. He says he never has, and never will arrest anyone for just drugs. If they harmed another person, he wouldn't mind drugs being used to put them away longer. I like that attitude.
I found out one of my drinking buddies is a cop. He told me he was a few times, I didn't think he was serious. At the bar we go to, in the smoking section there is always a joint or pipe being passed around. He says he never has, and never will arrest anyone for just drugs. If they harmed another person, he wouldn't mind drugs being used to put them away longer. I like that attitude.
I completely agree with you, the law has gone completely stupid.
A friend at work told me that he had a friend that went out one night who had a knife in his pocket just for protection, he got attacked by a junkie and somehow the junkie got stabbed with the knife and the guy got 5 years house arrest. What the f*** is with that?
I see the law as something that is worded in a way that the average person cannot understand the whole extent of it, yet having enough smartly placed loopholes to get the higher patrons of society out of whatever trouble they have put themselves in.
and becides, the more little laws you create the more potential for little loopholes. Wouldnt it just be easier if it was dont hurt any individual mentally or physically unless provoked to do so?
I really really dont see how smoking marijuana should be illegal, only the hydroponic stuff. Marijuana is completely NATURAL and has many health benefits, that being said abusing the drug does have its side effects.
Cops need to get off their high horse too. Swear one day ill push them off.
A friend at work told me that he had a friend that went out one night who had a knife in his pocket just for protection, he got attacked by a junkie and somehow the junkie got stabbed with the knife and the guy got 5 years house arrest. What the f*** is with that?
I see the law as something that is worded in a way that the average person cannot understand the whole extent of it, yet having enough smartly placed loopholes to get the higher patrons of society out of whatever trouble they have put themselves in.
and becides, the more little laws you create the more potential for little loopholes. Wouldnt it just be easier if it was dont hurt any individual mentally or physically unless provoked to do so?
I really really dont see how smoking marijuana should be illegal, only the hydroponic stuff. Marijuana is completely NATURAL and has many health benefits, that being said abusing the drug does have its side effects.
Cops need to get off their high horse too. Swear one day ill push them off.