Sexist Female Oppression in Workplaces? I Know Why That Happens.

Yes, I am inspired by that famous thread of hotbakedtater, and i respect her views on that topic, but i have some different views on that and sexuality altogether that i feel are important to share in these changing times, so i am sharing them with you.

I know some people will be outraged by the things I have said here in this thread. So, i will start of by apologizing to all the people whether straight or LGBT, to regard all of the things i have said here as my personal beliefs and i don't mean to hurt your feelings. I respect all of you and you have every right to believe in whatever sexual status you are comfortable with.

After researching by myself many old writings in chinese, hinduism, gnosticism traditions etc. I have came to this conclusion that in the beginning all humans were androgynous i.e. genderless beings capable of asexual reproduction. I am not a modern religion believer but i am an hindu, and some of the old hindu scriptures also states the same fact that humans were androgynous:


Androgynous Siva: His left Side is female and the right is male.

www.bhagavadgitausa.com...
www.astrologyedmonton.com...

In many religions like hinduism the androgynous humans are regarded as gods and were worshiped but that is all nonsense created by the same beings who divided us into male and female in the first place. I would not go deep into it because that's the fact you should realise by yourself through your own research, otherwise you won't believe it.

This division into male and female is one of the worst things that has ever happened to humanity, it has resulted in battle of sexes for superiority, confusion in many people of their actual sexual status, suppression of females, an unending sexual lust which has resulted in violent rapes, pedophilia etc. throughout the history. If you are from any of those developing nations like i am than you would know how much the womens are made to suffer over dowry marriages, and in some places girl child is killed before it comes out from mother's womb, and you know about women in Islamic world. But i am not taking side of either women or men i respect them equally.

If you ask a trans-gender in my country why he is dressing up and acting like female, but he was born as a male, they say they had a female soul in their male body. How ridiculous is that claim, if they had truly delved into themselves they would have find out that a soul is genderless, it is the only thing which can't be divided. Neither of the LGBT peoples should be blamed or ridiculed by anybody because its not there fault, why they feel that way its the result of that division which has resulted in these further polarities.

You know why sex sells, because the elites know that humanity will never rise above these sexual in-differences, and the two male and female elements would always want to merge into one another but they can't do it now, so they have taken the advantage of that fact by showing you all those sexual acts through movies, advertisements, pornography etc., so that you remain caught up in that.

Some of the people have relationships and marriages just for two reasons, sex and to have kids who would help them in their old age. Some of them want to get happiness through that, but "You don't need human relationships to be happy, God has placed it all around us - Christopher McCandless". The elites wants you to eat and reproduce, you can't control hunger but you can stop reproducing, you have the power to create a soul and bring it into this world, so i urge all of the young people not to marry and bring more souls here to suffer, if you are worried who would take care of you during old age, i am sure god will support you.

So my brother and sisters, whether you are male, female, straight, gay, trans-gender, bisexual or of any sexual status, please delve deep into yourself and realize that you are not any of that, you are a conscious genderless being that can't be bound into any of that, they were just created to cause conflicts and confusions. Your sexual status is only in your mind, its an illusion.

Okay, i will share it with you on what i think who divided us, yes they were extra-terrestrials, and i know you heard that word and you have already started to disbelief in that, i have told earlier that you won't believe it, i have found out after researching a lot on all those folk tales, one of those you can hear from credo mutwa here on my other thread:
Credo Mutwa says Humans were Androgynous.

I thank to Halfoldman and platipus ATS members who provided me some info on that thread, and when i looked into that i found it true. I will quote them here.

In greek mythology: (Halfoldman)
In Greek myth early humans were two persons attached at the back, and they rolled around like cartwheel spheres or globes.Zeus split them in punishment of Prometheus. He also feared they would become extinct.
Since then each human is searching for their soul mate.Those who were originally attached male/female are searching heterosexually, and those who were attached to the same gender are searching homosexually.

In chinese mythology: (Platipus)
I been reading on some "esoteric" sources on humanity's evolution and found it also talked about a time humans were genderless, and even layed eggs.I looked into chinese mythology and it talks of a time when it only took a mother to give birth without a father back when humans weren't as civilized as they are. And Fu Xi/ Fu Shi and his sister who survived a great flood civilized or created humans and introduced a patriarchal way of mating(so humans would need a mother and a father to reproduce).

you will say this is all mythology, but you can sense the truth in them only after you delve deeper in your self first.

The number of gay and lesbian people are increasing day by day, the following snippet shows what was their number in US during census 2000:

Census 2000 undercounted the total number of gay or lesbian households, for the purposes of this study, we estimate the gay and lesbian population at 5 percent of the total U.S. population over 18 years of age, (209,128,094). This results in an estimated total gay and lesbian population of 10,456,405. A recent study of gay and lesbian voting habits conducted by Harris Interactive determined that 30 percent of gay and lesbian people are living in a committed relationship in the same residence. Using that figure, we suggest that 3,136,921 gay or lesbian people are living in the United States in committed relationships in the same residence. '4

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And not only US, UK and the world are also seeing an increase in that, So if you ask me what is causing that i would say people are distancing themselves more and more with their true essence i.e. soul, so they are searching themselves in those roles.

Originally posted by vinay86
How ridiculous is that claim, if they had truly delved into themselves they would have find out that a soul is genderless, it is the only thing which can't be divided.

Not to diverge from your original point but.... you're making a claim here that could equally be labeled "ridiculous". First, define "soul", then establish its existence, then prove it's genderless, then prove it's "the only thing which cannot be divided".

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It will be hard to corroborate this, but another possible explanation for an increase in the gay population is the idea of general acceptance. Perhaps as the idea of being gay or lesbian takes root within our society at large, more people are coming out because they are comfortable to do so now and have little to no fear of reprisal, which is as it should be (living w/out fear, that is). Just a thought.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Not to diverge from your original point but.... you're making a claim here that could equally be labeled "ridiculous". First, define "soul", then establish its existence, then prove it's genderless, then prove it's "the only thing which cannot be divided".

Thanks for posting, I am glad that you asked about that, a soul is something which you can't define in words but you can feel its presence inside you. I will try to define it using simple analogy - Your body is like a car and the soul is its driver, all your thoughts, desires and inspiration don't originate in your brain but in the soul, it is the real you. The soul has three intrinsic abilities which the body or anything else, made of matter, does not possess. These are (1) the ability to think or wish or will, (2) the ability to judge, understand or investigate and (3) the ability to retain impressions of past thoughts in the form of attitudes, moods or habits. It is these abilities which distinguish one man from another and determine the mental and moral state of a person.

Regarding the existence of soul, do you have ever seen the body of a dead person or animal, if so you wouldn't have asked that question. I think You will know when that invisible energy field which is fueling you would left you.Did you have ever wondered why science cant cure death of old age because they dont know what causes it.

Soul is genderless, but based on your desires and your past karma you can mould it and have your experience the you want, based on what you chose the possibility waves generated from soul would localize on your brain and would give you that experience.

Soul is immortal, non-localised, and not in the realm of space-time and it cannot be burned, shattered, divided thats what i have learnt from my ancient hindu scriptures, which does not tell me to worship any god but makes one realize that they themselves are gods.

Originally posted by vinay86
Regarding the existence of soul, do you have ever seen the body of a dead person or animal, if so you wouldn't have asked that question. I think You will know when that invisible energy field which is fueling you would left you.Did you have ever wondered why science cant cure death of old age because they dont know what causes it.

I'm sorry, but this does not establish existence of a soul. This is, at best, an extension of your definition of a "soul".

Soul is genderless, but based on your desires and your past karma you can mould it and have your experience the you want, based on what you chose the possibility waves generated from soul would localize on your brain and would give you that experience.

Once again you've asserted that a soul is genderless but not supported it with any evidence. Also, you've brought "karma" into the argument (which I do not believe exists).

Soul is immortal, non-localised, and not in the realm of space-time and it cannot be burned, shattered, divided thats what i have learnt from my ancient hindu scriptures, which does not tell me to worship any god but makes one realize that they themselves are gods.

And these are more assertions unbacked by evidence. Can you prove any of this without relying on the claims of religious texts?

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I'm sorry, but this does not establish existence of a soul. This is, at best, an extension of your definition of a "soul".

Do you believe in god, if so can you prove his existence? ; as he is the same soul, spirit or consciousness i am talking about.
If you don't believe in god, than who do you think is the creator and why he created this reality.

If you are associated with LGBT community in anyway, and are outraged or hurt by my views on that, than i apologize to you.
I advise you to find a quiet place, close your eyes and try to become thoughtless, when you will attain that state, you will realize what soul is as i have realized.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
And these are more assertions unbacked by evidence. Can you prove any of this without relying on the claims of religious texts?

I have visited your threads and now i know you are atheist and physicalist, you believe human being is just a machine like a robot, but machines have no free will, ability to think or reason, beliefs and desires, machines move in a programmed fashion, machines are physical so they can't feel emotions - love, happiness, sadness etc.Now can you say the same things for a human being, can you debunk this argument.

Open your eyes my friend there is more to humans than just being physical.

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Originally posted by vinay86
Open your eyes my friend there is more to humans than just being physical.

I completely agree. In fact, I believe that the physical aspect of myself is the LEAST important part of who I am. My physical body is a vehicle which holds and transports the 'real' being that I am through this physical experience. Can I prove it? Of course not! Beliefs are a matter of faith, not fact. I believe that I am a spirit which has a mind and a body, not the other way around.

I am inclined to say that your theory is an interesting possibility. I have always valued people who are in touch with their opposite-gender selves. I appreciate a man who is sensitive and can cry. And I'll always be drawn to a woman who is strong and independent. "Girly girls" and "manly men" seem unbalanced to me and I don't find them as attractive as the alternative.

I'm an atheist, too, but that doesn't interfere with my beliefs that there is more to this existence than the physical. In fact, I believe that there is MUCH more - and that the physical is a minor aspect of our experience.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I completely agree. In fact, I believe that the physical aspect of myself is the LEAST important part of who I am. My physical body is a vehicle which holds and transports the 'real' being that I am through this physical experience. Can I prove it? Of course not! Beliefs are a matter of faith, not fact. I believe that I am a spirit which has a mind and a body, not the other way around.
I'm an atheist, too, but that doesn't interfere with my beliefs that there is more to this existence than the physical. In fact, I believe that there is MUCH more - and that the physical is a minor aspect of our experience.

Thanks for posting, i really appreciate your reply and it really reassured me that my thoughts on human existence of more than just being physical are true and that was what i was trying to explain to traditionaldrummer member. I think our main focus in life should be how to get past the sexuality and physicality aspects of being, this is the first step towards truth. It is difficult but not impossible, people are right when they say we are not in war with the world but in war with ourselves.

Originally posted by vinay86
The number of gay and lesbian people are increasing day by day, the following snippet shows what was their number in US during census 2000:

Census 2000 undercounted the total number of gay or lesbian households, for the purposes of this study, we estimate the gay and lesbian population at 5 percent of the total U.S. population over 18 years of age, (209,128,094). This results in an estimated total gay and lesbian population of 10,456,405. A recent study of gay and lesbian voting habits conducted by Harris Interactive determined that 30 percent of gay and lesbian people are living in a committed relationship in the same residence. Using that figure, we suggest that 3,136,921 gay or lesbian people are living in the United States in committed relationships in the same residence. '4

Source
And not only US, UK and the world are also seeing an increase in that, So if you ask me what is causing that i would say people are distancing themselves more and more with their true essence i.e. soul, so they are searching themselves in those roles.

This is more impossible to take seriously than your extra-terrestrial claims. The only thing you are basing your "opinion" on is religious indoctrination scripture. not peer-reviewed factual material. What a waste of time.

You're saying people are searching for themselves... by sleeping with other people... sorry that's probably the dumbest and most illogical thing I have ever heard anyone say. The fact that you just pooped out that "non-fact" and expected everyone to gobble it up as if it were the truth is just sad at best.

I've heard this "opinion", as you people call it (even though opinions are based on things, so this is not one, but if it makes you feel better to call a blatant fabricated LIE an opinion then so be it), and the logic is absolutely pathetic... If you are sleeping with someone.... who has "X" body parts... you are not in love with them... you are in love with yourself.... trust me.... the people that sleep with with "Y" body parts told me and they know everything because they sleep with "Y" parts...

Dumb.

I was just wondering which religious values you were standing behind whilst segregating your fellow man into sections of "who is better than who"?

Originally posted by Brood
You're saying people are searching for themselves... by sleeping with other people... sorry that's probably the dumbest and most illogical thing I have ever heard anyone say. The fact that you just pooped out that "non-fact" and expected everyone to gobble it up as if it were the truth is just sad at best.

Thanks for posting, I have said there are "some" people and not all of the people in the world, read that carefully, and people are searching for themselves in many worldly material possessions which they really don't require:
"Some of the people have relationships and marriages just for two reasons, sex and to have kids who would help them in their old age. Some of them want to get happiness through that, but "You don't need human relationships to be happy, God has placed it all around us - Christopher McCandless"

The message that i want to disperse through this thread is towards the conflict and suffering that has arised due to these sexual differences and the coming of LGBT's in these differences; has led to only an increase in those conflicts like regarding the demand for equal rights etc. Sleeping with one another or things like that are okay with me because there is a desire of feminine and masculine to merge into each another, because that way they feel more wholesome again.
But that kind of completeness of being can not only be achieved physically but spiritually too and it would be permanent that way, so i am saying here you are not male, female or LGBT that's just a role you are playing, don't get caught up in that as it would only led to pain and conflicts and that's what the elites want.

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"This division into male and female is one of the worst things that has ever happened to humanity, it has resulted in battle of sexes for superiority, confusion in many people of their actual sexual status, suppression of females, an unending sexual lust which has resulted in violent rapes, pedophilia etc. throughout the history. If you are from any of those developing nations like i am than you would know how much the womens are made to suffer over dowry marriages, and in some places girl child is killed before it comes out from mother's womb, and you know about women in Islamic world. But i am not taking side of either women or men i respect them equally."

Presume much? Your title is misleading, Androgynous asexual human's of the past and future, has very little to nothing to do with Sexist Female Oppression in Workplaces. All that you describe above has a lot more to do with bigotry, violence, tyrany, and plain weakness and stupidity, that can happen whenever you put any creatures together in any environment, regardless if they can reproduce asexually and are androgynous, or are male and female. Look to the top and bottom and even middle of the pyramid, of whatever developing nation you are from, to find the cause and effect of your problems. As for if the division into male and female is one of the worse thing to happen to humanity, that still remains to be seen.



"If you ask a trans-gender in my country why he is dressing up and acting like female, but he was born as a male, they say they had a female soul in their male body. How ridiculous is that claim, if they had truly delved into themselves they would have find out that a soul is genderless, it is the only thing which can't be divided."

A soul is a self conscious patern in the mass of data or essence in the universe, a mini focus point of mass, data, and experience, in a holographic patern that inverts into itself, a reflection into your self, like looking into a mirror of definition's, infact more like its in a box of with mirror's on allsides, so it sees itself seeing itself, seeing itself, and so on, ad infinitum. When it sees a change in any of it's reflection's that change would reflect a change in all of it's reflection's, thereby growing/expanding and becoming more complicated, as above so below type of thing, only no amount of words can fully express it's true being, so no need to try.

Genderless is a expression, a word that defines, a part of a whole in a path of experience. Same as if someone said there soul is male or female, or any other characteristics, one person or two, or many would define themselves as being what they and there surroundings are, there world there universe, is an expression and extension of themselves, just like looking into a mirror and providing judgement.... what is flesh, what is soul? but an expression of what you are and see, and what you want to be or experienced and can see, the flesh.... The soul however is the intangible, the precursor to the tangible, the tangible being most known by the label of "reality"


"You know why sex sells, because the elites know that humanity will never rise above these sexual in-differences, and the two male and female elements would always want to merge into one another but they can't do it now, so they have taken the advantage of that fact by showing you all those sexual acts through movies, advertisements, pornography etc., so that you remain caught up in that."

So close and yet...so far. Some would say light years from the truth, but there as many truths as there are realities. You have just described a perspective, in the language of the knowledge of good and evil.....sex is good...sex is bad...positive and negative, in all things. Some would say you are creating your own self fulfilled prophecy, others would say you are quantum locking your world, and still others would say...come again?.... I would say this ".............................". If I did not say something already.



"Some of the people have relationships and marriages just for two reasons, sex and to have kids who would help them in their old age. Some of them want to get happiness through that, but "You don't need human relationships to be happy, God has placed it all around us - Christopher McCandless"

That is not indicted and does not speak for all, and two reasons are not enough to express all that is going on when people have relationships. "You dont need human relationships to be happy, God has placed it all around us" But if so and you dont need it, and this god has done all that, well I take, it or he or she or whatever, has also placed human relationships all around us.. for what?



"The elites wants you to eat and reproduce, you can't control hunger but you can stop reproducing, you have the power to create a soul and bring it into this world, so i urge all of the young people not to marry and bring more souls here to suffer, if you are worried who would take care of you during old age, i am sure god will support you."

No, you want to eat and reproduce, that's way you can't control hunger or reproducing. The elites are the same. But I get it someone must be at fault for the state of things, as to not blame ourselves, and though I usually blame god, I just realised it might get ticked from all the whining going on, and might do something unpleasant to get some silence. So I like your idea better, lets blame the elites, people need scapegoats, the elites are as good as any. And just to be sure god would support you in old age, ask first...If god does not answer, well he, it, she, might be busy. Remember no response can be a form of communicating or getting something across and it's usually a form of saying, "I dont think so buddy, or hellz no".

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
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Presume much? Your title is misleading, Androgynous asexual human's of the past and future, has very little to nothing to do with Sexist Female Oppression in Workplaces. All that you describe above has a lot more to do with bigotry, violence, tyrany, and plain weakness and stupidity, that can happen whenever you put any creatures together in any environment, regardless if they can reproduce asexually and are androgynous, or are male and female. Look to the top and bottom and even middle of the pyramid, of whatever developing nation you are from, to find the cause and effect of your problems. As for if the division into male and female is one of the worse thing to happen to humanity, that still remains to be seen.

Thanks for posting, i agreed with you that the title is little misleading but as i have said at the start of the thread that this thread is about sexuality as a whole and i quote it:
"Yes, I am inspired by that famous thread of hotbakedtater, and i respect her views on that topic, but i have some different views on that and sexuality altogether that i feel are important to share in these changing times, so i am sharing them with you."
Initially i chose the title "Sexuality: Lift this veil of Illusion" because i believe sexual status is just a role that a human being plays and at the spiritual level it has no meaning. The idea to start such a thread was always on my mind and when i saw this thread:
Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage in the workplace.
and read this on her OP:
"I find it disgusting that some bosses overlook some females just because they show cleavage. I think that reflects the perversion of thought in the boss's own mind, personally."
And saw how people were fighting with each other over who is fair male or female, who is superior, Hatred towards men or women etc. I thought i should try to give my message, thats why i changed the subject in similarity to her thread so that maximum number of people could read my message.

But, hotbakedtater changed her thoughts on her previous standpoint, and in her new thread here, this is what she posted:

"The way women are programmed is by attacking their most vulnerable attribute, their sexuality. The way men are programmed is by attacking their most vulnerable attribute, their manhood, their masculinity, what it means to be a REAL man. I have spent a lot of time believing that women face more or harsher consequences than men in dealing with this grotesque gender assault. But now I believe both men and women are under attack, and being programmed to behave within the parameters that someone (who??) has set out for us. It is wrong, and it is harmful."

So, you can see here she seems to agree on some things that i have been saying, there is a gender war going on which is linked to violence and hatred perpetrated by (who) the same people who divided humanity in the first place, you can call them elites, E.T's. I am glad that you believe in holographic aspect of reality, but you have to believe that there is a being at the center of all reflections who is the creator of all, and he can think as well as un-think what he wants to be and he has the power to stop being manipulated, that being is you.

Waking from a dream, I heard him say 'when I was a girl'....

Sadly, that's about as far as his journey went. The forces of oppression from without slowly consumed any spiritual progress, and atheism prevailed. *snort* there is no God. *smack* there, that's better...eyes like pins and worshiping the cellular.

I think you're right. Pretty sure this is something the modern Christian has no interest in hearing of.

Originally posted by starless and bible black
Waking from a dream, I heard him say 'when I was a girl'....
Sadly, that's about as far as his journey went. The forces of oppression from without slowly consumed any spiritual progress, and atheism prevailed. *snort* there is no God. *smack* there, that's better...eyes like pins and worshiping the cellular. I think you're right. Pretty sure this is something the modern Christian has no interest in hearing of.

Thanks, well said at least someone understands me, you are right nobody wants to listen such things, so in the future i would refrain myself to make thread on sexuality or topics like that.

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I say it is one of the BEST things that has ever happened to us! There is no better feeling than being "connected" with a member of the opposite sex. If there is a fundamental need to reunite the two sexes into one being, then that fundamental need is fulfilled during wonderful sexual and emotional contact with a member of the opposite sex, and I thank God for that opportunity, because it is thoroughly enjoyable!

Now, monogamy might be the worst thing to ever happen to us since the splitting of the sexes, because monogamy is not natural at all, and it creates an unnatural stress and jealousy and restriction on fulfilling that fundamental need. But, monogamy was not God's doing, it was mans, and it was just a way to control the masses through religion and government.

So.....opposite sexes = AWESOME!
Restricting access to opposite sexes through unnatural expectations of monogamy = TERRIBLE!

For those that will flame me, look at John Edwards. Go talk to a hotel clerk. Drive around the wooded areas near your office complex at lunch time. There is no such thing as monogamy, there are just honest people like me, dishonest people that are not good at it and get caught, and then there are dishonest people that are very good at not getting caught, but there is no such thing as a monogamous person over any long length of time.

Originally posted by vinay86

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
And these are more assertions unbacked by evidence. Can you prove any of this without relying on the claims of religious texts?

I have visited your threads and now i know you are atheist and physicalist, you believe human being is just a machine like a robot, but machines have no free will, ability to think or reason, beliefs and desires, machines move in a programmed fashion, machines are physical so they can't feel emotions - love, happiness, sadness etc.Now can you say the same things for a human being, can you debunk this argument.

Open your eyes my friend there is more to humans than just being physical.

So the answer is no, you can't prove these claims without religious texts?

I agree, machines have no consciousness (at this point), and sure there's more to being human than simply existing as a machine. So what? You've made claims to the existence of "souls" and assigned them specific qualities. I'd like to know what evidence you have to support it.