How many Progressives will return their Tax Cuts?

reply to post by Matrix Rising


It goes both ways. If you think those who support taxation should voluntarily give any tax cuts they receive back to the government, you should be equally aware of the opposing conviction--if you don't support taxation, you shouldn't pay.

You can't accuse progressives of hypocrisy if you don't similarly indict so-called conservatives of it. If it is right, it is right, so do it. If it is wrong, it is wrong, so don't do it. Very few of those purporting either political persuasion actually puts their money where their mouth is.

reply to post by kimar


1, I'm not a right winger. 2, How am I defending the banksters? You should probably look through my posting history and take a look at some of my economic threads.

I'm no defender of Wall St. crooks. All I want is Equal protection under the law as prescribed by the Constitution. Your level of income does not negate your rights. My entire post was about prosecuting the fraud and allowing the honest people to reap the benefits of their own hard work on an open and free market. How is that defending banksters?

reply to post by projectvxn


I got carried away. I apologize.

reply to post by kimar


Not a problem. I know these issues are important to people.

What we need is a bit of perspective. Everyone is responsible for their
own actions. The day we decide that whole groups of people are worthy of collective punishment
is the day we will turn into the second coming of Nazi Germany.

reply to post by projectvxn


I agree. But we also must not allow for those who are guilty go unpunished.

reply to post by kimar


So far we have been and it boils my damned blood to watch elected state and local officials, the Justice Department, the President and Congress ignoring and covering for these people.

The myth is that prior to the financial crisis there was no regulation. The truth is that the regulation they told us we were getting had either A- unintended consequences creating artificial conditions in the market that could not be supported, or B-they were playing favorites and using American tax payer money to line the pockets of their corporate masters that seem to profit more often that not from "State Capitalism"...The new progressive term for the government owns everything.

We've had thousands of years on this planet of watching masters steal the fruits of the labor of peasants, of watching state control of everything, of being choked by a ruling class, and I'm just so frustrated to see that people still haven't gotten the hint...If you take away the powerful tools at the disposable of large and unaccountable government they cannot use them to abuse the people or use the power of the black letter of law to rob us of our wealth. In the Age of the large corporation, the more distance and capability we keep away from the globalist fascist scum the better.

Regarding the OP, I think the answer is very simple. If "progressives" believe extending the Bush tax cuts was wrong, then continue to pay the difference.

Wonder how much that would help with the budget deficit AND help "progressives" feel (not think) good about themselves again?

reply to post by centurion1211


So, your answer would be for the bottom 98% to pay the tax burdon of the top 2% on principle? Yeah, that would show those rich folk who is in charge.

Let me guess... You are in that top 2% and you feel (not think) that it's rational to expect the serfs to pay the taxes for those who live in the castle?

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by centurion1211

 

So, your answer would be for the bottom 98% to pay the tax burdon of the top 2% on principle? Yeah, that would show those rich folk who is in charge.

Let me guess... You are in that top 2% and you feel (not think) that it's rational to expect the serfs to pay the taxes for those who live in the castle?

~Heff

You guessed wrong.

I simply said that "progressives" (so-called ) need to put their money where their collective (get it?) mouths are.

Come on, hefficide, you can lead by example. And if you really feel so terrible about the tax cut extensions, feel free to also make up any difference in tax payments for me, as well.

And way to keep perpetuating the class warfare against "the rich" as also promoted by leftists since around 1917 (get it?).

reply to post by centurion1211


I'm guessing that Glen Beck must have started this "If you think they should pay their taxes, then YOU pay their taxes FOR them!" thing in the last day or two. Yes? No? You are the third person, tonight, that I've had this debate with. And it's about the funniest straw man I have come across in a good long while.

As it happens I pay my taxes, in full, each and every year - without the benefit of tax cuts. I only expect others to do the same as me.

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by centurion1211

 

I'm guessing that Glen Beck must have started this "If you think they should pay their taxes, then YOU pay their taxes FOR them!" thing in the last day or two. Yes? No? You are the third person, tonight, that I've had this debate with. And it's about the funniest straw man I have come across in a good long while.

As it happens I pay my taxes, in full, each and every year - without the benefit of tax cuts. I only expect others to do the same as me.

~Heff

(BTW - post above revised)

Now it's all about blaming Glen Beck?

Pitiful how "progressives" must refer to their list of "demons" when attempting to respond to logical and reasonable posts instead of offering anything resembling logic and/or reason themselves.

Really, that's all you've got - Glen Beck? You could have also name-dropped Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity and Palin, too - or were you saving them for subsequent posts?

reply to post by centurion1211


It was an honest question. Just wondered how all the neocons got into lockstep with the same logical fallacy.

At least you tossed in a new one this time... the implication that expecting the rich to pay their taxes is equal to the October revolution and "class warfare". It'd just be criminal to expect the rich to pay their bills, how very communist of me.

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide
how very communist of me.

~Heff

Have to give you credit for at least stepping up and admitting the truth on that one.

Would really love to keep turning you into a "logical pretzel" all night, but I have to get up for work in a few short hours.

Yes, I (actually) work for a living and pay my share of taxes. Never requested any government handouts, but sure have funded plenty of other people's (including yours?).

reply to post by Matrix Rising


Wow, you know you guys are completely relentless. Like a pack of dogs just tearing up everything in your way. You won the election, you make ATS look like the short bus, and your arguments clearly prevail nearly unopposed here on the right-wing infested outlets but now you must move on to a new subject.

So let’s get this straight. You win the election followed by the tax cuts now you must recreate another demon out of the Progressives. How very inventive of you.

Instead of still treating the progressives as the scapegoats why not create some real inventive ideas that could possible help us all. Or would that require too much thinking and you know what they say.

“Is our children being educated?” Ummm I would hate for that question to be asked on ATS.

reply to post by whatukno


And since health costs to the community are at least $7 per pack, maybe as high as $41, somebody is falling behind in their payments.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


Using your logic, shouldn't the Conservatives turn over there social security, and medicaid and medicare when they retire? As these are progressive socialist programs??

Originally posted by centurion1211

Would really love to keep turning you into a "logical pretzel" all night, but I have to get up for work in a few short hours.

Ah, see that one I understood. "Logic pretzel" is neocon speak for "Oh, crap, he makes more sense than me, better pull a Bush and drop the "Mission Accomplished" banner, but QUICK.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Yes, I (actually) work for a living and pay my share of taxes. Never requested any government handouts, but sure have funded plenty of other people's (including yours?).

Enjoy the job while it lasts... the more Republicans in office, the more outsourced jobs our taxes can create in India. But, hey, you are a proud Republican so I know I can count on you not to file for any unemployment benefits when it does happen. After all, you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite.

And as for the rest... Well I guess my 33 year work history is out the window now that I have collected unemployment benefits. My bad. Guess you're really going to hate me in 20 years when I can finally live off that fat, free social security check that, apparently, by your rationale, only you paid into and that nobody else deserves.

~Heff

reply to post by LDragonFire


Apples and Oranges. You're forced to pay into S.S. and Medicare. If a Conservative works for 20 years he/she don't have any option or say in the matter. They have to pay into these systems and therefore they should collect the benefits until the system is reformed and replaced.

If the money went into savings accounts and people had more control over these accounts and they could pass the money saved to family members at death then they could work until there phased out.

At this point, Government spends the money and they depend on a certain percentage of people dying before they see any benefits. When people start to live longer the system will crash.

With taxes you don't have to accept these tax rates. You have the option to pay more in taxes if you wish to. Liberals can flood the Treasury with extra money.

With S.S. and Medicare they have to force you into the system because it's a pyramid scheme.

Reply to post by NthOther

Simple. If I don't pay they come with their tanks and guns and haul me off to prison.

If I over-pay I get a medal.



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