Who are “They?”

When I was around two, growing up with the idea of a peaceful application of all technologies, my father tried to see if his gifted daughter could pronounce “electrogravitics.” I remember him beaming when I spoke it rather well for only twenty two months. He explained that it meant we could build cars that floated, personal backpacks like the ones that showed up on the Jetsons a few years later, and even houses that floated in the sky.

He did try to explain principles that I was yet to have full ability to grasp – he was an electrical engineer working for, at the time, one of the top aerospace companies doing research into electrogravitics, and very excited about his work – so I didn’t catch all the details, but I did catch on about what it meant we could do on this planet of ours, and that there would be energy and abundance for all. And that would mean liberty and justice…and peace on Earth…good will to all Beings.

(I might point out that, as the name, “electrogravitics,” suggests, there is not only a link between electromagnetism and gravity, but that in the 1950’s some of Us understood this quite well. Yet I remember a Nova show I watched a few years back with…I think it was Michio Kaku…saying that we are still struggling to find that link between gravity and electromagnetism. In fact, it is stressed in our media that Einstein spent the last many years of his life looking for a connection. I wonder who chooses to maintain this idea…)

Then, not long after my father’s excitement and eagerness to teach me began, he came home one night and woke me up to tell me it was secret and we couldn’t talk about it to anyone. “Just forget about it, ok?” “But why?” I asked. I wanted to know who got to have the knowledge and who didn’t, and why.

“They want it secret for now,” he ended with, “so just pretend you don’t know anything about it.” Oh, sure, “The Government” was mentioned along with Dad’s company, but “They” were most often mentioned.

“Sure, Daddy,” or something on that order was my reply.

And though these specific memories eluded me for over fifty years, the vision of the future he gave me stayed on. I just had such faith in Humanity that the issues “They” saw in “making it secret” would be overcome. I did forget, and yet, when anything I came across suggested free energy, I was willing to investigate. I knew without understanding the basis of my certainty that such energy existed. Of course, having recently recalled these memories, one can see why I carried these certainties.

The more I looked into reports of free energy, the more I saw suggestions of suppression and strategic ridicule. I asked who would benefit from the secrecy of this information. I ask, who are “They?”

When I compare where this planet would have been from the 1950’s to today with the peaceful applications of technology, with what I see around me and I have to conclude that somewhere there really is a “They.”

Coming from this perspective, one may understand both the nature and the degree of my fury that Human Beings have been kept in abject poverty by others, both Human and, likely, nonhuman Beings. It is, I’m guessing, not the most popular of views, but I see “proactive” efforts to diminish discussions, in any wide medium, of these possibilities and I have to connect the efforts to “Them.”

Why is free energy secret, and things are the way they are? Do the data I collect explain what I see?

If I presume there is a “They,” from what I see manifesting around me would it make sense? With so many things I see, I have to conclude that, with a “They” in the picture, it surely makes more sense than without. What are the clues?

Let’s take the move now under foot to “hydrofrac” shale to release and tap natural gas. If it were as simple as it sounds – pumping water at high enough pressure to fracture the rock blocking access to the gas pockets – I wouldn’t give it any thought. But that’s not the case. The interests involved are linked to Dick Cheney who spent a great deal of his time as VP ensuring that such efforts are outside the bounds of the EPA. With reports that illness and death follow such operations, that the fluid is filled with toxins that poison water supplies (ah, the EPA would put a kibosh on such ventures, n’est pas?), and seeing that these claims are never refuted loudly and indignantly but in mere assertions that what is used is innocuous, and the virtual lack of media investigation, I wonder about explaining this without a “They.”

With a “They” factored in, this all makes full sense, and points to a rather disturbing picture. (Though I suspect ol’ Dick thinks he has control, I also suspect that he does not.) Now we can choose to disregard the picture painted as “paranoid,” or we can accept that it has a high probability of validity, and behave accordingly.

We can next look at the question of fluoridation and the fuzzy-at-best data that it has any positive impact on dental integrity (with some fair amount saying that it creates brittleness) and the question is never addressed on a large scale of what research has shown about calcium fluoride (natural) and sodium fluoride (considered initially to be a quite toxic waste product and the compound which they are fluoridating our water with) in use by Humans. On the “sodium fluoride is bad” side are many studies showing negative effect. On the “it’s ok” side are a lot of poo-poos, a poorly done study or two that are heralded in media, and character assassination efforts.

With a “They,” this makes sense and it becomes clear that the tool used in control is money. Without a “They,” without an ethically bankrupt “They,” without a “They” that sees Human Beings as livestock/slaves rather than affording them their Being status, this world would be very different.

We Humans as a whole value ethics very highly. Sometimes we sacrifice ethics for propaganda-run religious reasons (which serves to divide us so as to maintain our conquered status as livestock). Sometimes we sacrifice ethics out of desperation – money issues, mostly. Sometimes we sacrifice ethics so as to appear “special,” for status within some group with a seed of “Them.” But few (if any…?) Humans sacrifice ethics purely because they enjoy a pleasure in doing so. They may derive pleasure but only after having chosen to make the sacrifice initially for other reasons.

If we presume that “They” are presently out to not only control us, but also cull the herd…we have a good explanation of…er…”contrails,” and (amongst many other things) a report from one individual complaining of not feeling well who said that “they are still spraying [Corexit] only at night now” down in the Gulf…like NOW, still… But the number of (mostly dire) comments made on a popular website when the whole Corexit spraying began, from individuals claiming to be present in the gulf region, has vanished from anywhere, and frankly, I’m concerned. I mean, where is the coverage of the area? Where is the public damage assessment? It’s dropped off the radar. This only makes sense if I presume a “They.” And also presume some things that most don’t want to believe no matter how good these things are at explaining the way things are. Perhaps they can’t face where it leads.

I also see a vast difference between what we are (over and over) told is “human nature,” and what I see here in the pens with the rest of the “livestock.” I see the ethics, the caring connections, the ugly things that never would be done between us if not for the yoke of money. I know the love that abides, hidden by claims that it’s Human nature to do evil to others, blaming “Their” unethical choices on Us. “They” twist Us via media control and money (and Jay Rockefeller said the worst enemy was the internet…).

When I realized back in 2008 that there was a direct connection between money and produced energy (and had it confirmed in Jeremy Rifkin’s 1980 book, Entropy), it became clear to me who benefited from the secrecy of free energy, because the introduction of free energy would spell the end of money and thereby the yoke “They” control which we are kept in, plunged into a Disney movie of life and otherwise unable to get out. It also then begged the question of how We might handle this liberty, and I saw that We all understand that the planet was best off run organically, and the driving factor for failing to do so was – heh – money. We would most likely choose better for our planet and ourselves if We were not strapped into a system of money.

In fact, We would choose well as a whole on all kinds of things. We would choose quality over cheap production. We would eliminate all packaging the sole purpose of which is theft deterring. We would organize to solve problems – not create them to make money. We would look for cures and not cover-ups with side effects which will turn a profit as more cover-ups are sold for the added problems.

If we stand up and demand a free interweb and set up a central site – the details of which I will discuss with anybody who’ll listen – whereby Humans can promote issues to levels of awareness based not on money but on whether enough people are concerned one way or another, and by implementing only three laws, the Ethical Laws, eschewing secrecy, and introducing the free energy…the arts and the sciences will flourish. Teaching will gain respect as those who really want to teach do the teaching and students can guide their own education/experience within a generally accepted basic education.

The love of so many to create useful things, especially in technology and robotics, will bring forth awesome machines and solutions for Us, and all labor We do will be chosen by each according to what animates Hum (if you’ll pardon the coinage of a unisex pronoun for Us – it’s pronounced “hume”), according to each’s bliss.

We Humans will be able to create as our true nature dictates, in loving self-governance with abundance to give. This will lead to a planet far closer to heaven than most presently can envision as possible.

So who are “They?” I suspect that they have created a nefarious “religion” wherein they take “vows” of servitude and loyalty to dark entities. “Satanism” is promoted, and of course those who cough up enough of their Human soul will be rewarded with riches. Lies are told to these deluded, twisted Beings, and to be sure, when these “vow-takers” are an encumbrance to “Them,” they too will be cast into the pit “They” keep the rest of us in.

“They,” I suspect, are a separate, created race that threw out (off planet) the race that created both “Them” and Us. I base this on Sumerian tablets and other data (The Terra Papers, for one), and “They” have accrued virtually all the actual wealth on this planet, letting us have some meager amount to keep the façade “They” paint of what life is here now. “They” have made it acceptable to the twisted Humans in “Their” thrall to do things no ethically bound Being would accept. And right now, that’s getting rid of most of Us, hampering our communications (i.e., taking over the interweb), and otherwise keeping Us divided.

Who are “They” personally? Unknown, but the trail is probably best followed in following money. If We make a move now to wrest the technology from “Them” and apply it peacefully, We can remove the yoke of money, and self-govern in peace and abundance, eliminating war, pollution, stress, illness, and all crime done for money. This will leave Us with crimes of relationship passion only – which are a vanishingly small percentage of all crimes committed. Rather than fear what a very small number of individuals might do, we can rejoice in knowing that most crime is no more. No one will steal if they can have the same thing for free. No one will be desperate. All will be free to follow their bliss within the three Laws.

Having seen the solution to the control “They” have, knowing that people have been deformed and controlled by money and promises of wealth, I must speak up. I must do all I can. For, you see… There is little time left. It would seem that “They” are creating “Their” ideal planet, bereft of most of Us and with only a small, undereducated slave population who know no better than to do as they are told, and “They” are doing this on a schedule linked to the 2012 date.

So I must be loud and I must never quit, else things as We know them will vanish, along with so very many Human sparks of Consciousness. Pass the link to this and other discussions to as many people as you might so that as many people as possible are aware of our choices and can also spread the word.

Thank you for reading and any efforts you might make to raise awareness.






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EDIT to add: Thanks, Sauron. The question I have been asking, though, is not, "Who are 'They?'" but "Who the [censored] are 'They?'" Maybe that would be a better change to the title...?

"They" aren't always the same people. "They" applies to the context in which you are speaking. With regards to energy, cheap fuel alternatives being suppressed, Free energy being hidden, things like that, you would have to look at who has the most to gain by hiding it? Big oil. Do they have the means to buy out any competition and shelve it? Most certainly. Have they ever done it? We on this site would say absolutely, but we can't prove it.

In cases of government intrusion, "they" are whomever shadow group is pulling the strings. Controlling the media is the most obvious example. Public opinion is driven by morning news. What is reported? exactly what you are supposed to know. We on this site claim to know of these people, but we can't prove it.

So we continue to complain about "them", and hope that someone will stand up for us. While we sit an type. Ironic, sad, but true.

Did he work for a defense contractor or technology company in the 50's or 60's?

"The Day After Roswell" by Col. Philip Corso might explain the answers to your questions.

Lasers, transistors, microchips, food irradiation, stealth materials... It's amazing the synchronicity of all these inventions suddenly appearing in the few years after 1947.

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1947: Transistor (AT&T Bell Labs)

1947: Stimulated Emission (LASER principle) (Ford/Rutherford)

1947: RadarRange (first commercial microwave oven)

1951: Atomic Energy Commission takes control over food irradiation experimentation

1951: Water Flouridation becomes US Public Health Policy

1952: First fiber optic experiments (Kapany)

1952: First Polio vaccine (Salk)

1953: MASER (Columbia University)

1958: First aircraft production with stealth technology

1958: First commercial food irradiation


Whether coincidence or not the ten years from 1947-1958 showed a dramatic growth in technology which could reasonably be characterized as beneficial to mankind.

I was so touched by the first part of your paper here, did you lose your Dad early? I lost someone just as profound at about age 11, and always knew that I had come into this life because of him, and vicariously was also told that I should never fear because no matter where I go I would always be protected, and I believe it.

We were suppose to be by our age free to be traveling in quite a different manner especially for those who could afford it.

It is very understandable that you would use such terminology at 2 years because it was natural, you were yet to be corrupted, and had not yet forgotten your mission nor been hurt by the forces which have kept that technology from being used.

I am so sorry that this is your internet breaktime as I will miss you.

For a list of organisations promoting the 'military-industrial complex’ ideologies www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

I agree that money and the fiduciary responsibility has left many of the social, ethical and environmental responsibilities to gradually fade and die. While the systems of government and regulation have some noble histories, it has not kept pace with the times and the issues confronting the Earth. I am very much concerned about some of the trends developing in government, industry and media. If we cannot work together then something will have to go.

"They" are the Bilderberg Club

i love everything you had to say. it is sad where time has taken us. it is also sad the only weapons most of us have against this is words. even though "they" deserve somthing much more abrupt!

Originally posted by network dude
"They" aren't always the same people. "They" applies to the context in which you are speaking. With regards to energy, cheap fuel alternatives being suppressed, Free energy being hidden, things like that, you would have to look at who has the most to gain by hiding it? Big oil. Do they have the means to buy out any competition and shelve it? Most certainly. Have they ever done it? We on this site would say absolutely, but we can't prove it.

In cases of government intrusion, "they" are whomever shadow group is pulling the strings. Controlling the media is the most obvious example. Public opinion is driven by morning news. What is reported? exactly what you are supposed to know. We on this site claim to know of these people, but we can't prove it.

So we continue to complain about "them", and hope that someone will stand up for us. While we sit an type. Ironic, sad, but true.

I agree that "They" have their fingers in many a pie. But I still see it all leading to a central group.

This group uses such things as oil, pharmaceuticals, government, media to collect money and maintain control.

Originally posted by emsed1
Did he work for a defense contractor or technology company in the 50's or 60's?

"The Day After Roswell" by Col. Philip Corso might explain the answers to your questions.

Lasers, transistors, microchips, food irradiation, stealth materials... It's amazing the synchronicity of all these inventions suddenly appearing in the few years after 1947.

Defence Contractor. I know many things were "invented" after Roswell. Still, we have been deprived of our Humanity through the peaceful use of technology.

Originally posted by antar
I was so touched by the first part of your paper here, did you lose your Dad early? I lost someone just as profound at about age 11, and always knew that I had come into this life because of him, and vicariously was also told that I should never fear because no matter where I go I would always be protected, and I believe it.

We were suppose to be by our age free to be traveling in quite a different manner especially for those who could afford it.

It is very understandable that you would use such terminology at 2 years because it was natural, you were yet to be corrupted, and had not yet forgotten your mission nor been hurt by the forces which have kept that technology from being used.

I am so sorry that this is your internet breaktime as I will miss you.

My dad passed in 1996. He was 68. I was...39.

Thanks for your friendship. [smile]

Originally posted by zorgon
"They" are the Bilderberg Club

I believe you are partially correct - in that the Bildergergs are very close to the actual power that controls the Human "livestock." But I also see them as the (more or less) public, Human face for the machinations of the hidden, ET agenda.

Originally posted by SpunGCake
i love everything you had to say. it is sad where time has taken us. it is also sad the only weapons most of us have against this is words. even though "they" deserve somthing much more abrupt!

Our weapon is the interweb. IF we spread the word, and each takes on whatever they can - coding a central site, announcing it in the media, releasing "secret" information, or just spreading the word... We CAN succeed.

The truth is that humans are capable of that kind of evil. Often it is motivated by fear or PTSD. Some people are simply born evil outside of factors such as genetic predisposition. We don't hear about it too often on the news because people expect it more often than everyone else realizes. What happens to evil people? Some climb the corporate ladder. Some become depressed and overdose on drugs. Some become MMA fighters. Some become Satanists. Some go on the doles. Some become world-class chefs.

Part of the problem stems from hoping that ending all war, closing all the prisons and treating animals like humans will help. They won't. Every civilization that illegitimated war has been wiped out by invading nomads. You can't reason with nomads who haven't eaten in half a week and drink their own urine for breakfast.

Japan supposedly has no military, but has the 4th-largest military budget in the world. Despite the crying-out from "humanitarian" groups, the Tibetan Buddhist monks are getting their asses kicked by the Chinese army. The European royal families have a fantastic karmic debt to pay for all of their atrocities, as do the warlord dictators of central Africa.

The wheat, sugar and steel industries, combined with limited voluntary taxation, made America from just a run-in-the-mill country to one of the major financial powerhouses in the world. The automobile and the gasoline engine drove the American economy into the stratosphere. When gasoline was first being used for engines, Texas was one of the largest exporters of oil around the world. Right now, alternative energy systems can't be introduced to the public because nobody knows for sure whether peak oil is happening or not. As soon as a real need for alternative energy develops, Big Oil is going to want to be the first one to sell the technology to everyone else. Countries are already trading alternative energy technologies between one another, but you wouldn't know that from the American news, mainly because it's not as cost-efficient as the gasoline engine. There's also been a lot of price speculation which has caused commodities to skyrocket.

I was watching the Conspiracy Theory show about the Chinese stealing water from the Great Lakes. They explained that the Chinese were stealing it to drink for themselves, but from what I hear it goes much deeper than that. The water is used in some kind of secret technology which hasn't been introduced yet. I don't remember the details, and I regret not writing them down. I don't mean to bash China, because they take a lot of the blame for producing defective goods, while in actuality it's the multi-nationals dumping their garbage into Chinese factories. Now with the all of the bond trading and loan defaults, China is getting some payback.

I don't propose a solution for world peace, because the Bible says that the anti-Christ would do so. I don't propose a magical formula that every human being should use to live their lives (or that every man or every woman should be expected to behave) because that is what the Illuminati is doing already. It may seem lame or defeatist, but, hey, rational adults should be trusted to decide for themselves how they may get along with other rational adults.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
I believe you are partially correct -

Hmmm

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Thanks for the smile, z. I do suspect that there are many who believe they are in control - by virtue of seeming to have it all. But... As we know many in the sheeple ranks who think they are in control...it might follow that there is a chance that they, too, are deluded on some level, n'est pas?

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If "they" were one centralized group, is it possible that they could actually "control" the chaos that exists in every facet of our world? To think about all the different problems, catastrophes, disasters, along with man made problems? I have no doubt that in the US there is a controlling group. Not the president by a long shot. Weather that group is IN the US or not,is a different story. And I don't claim to know anything, I just guess, like everyone else here. But why continue the charade? If you had ultimate power and control, would you be content to hide behind the curtain and pull strings forever, of would you want to feel the warmth of the spotlight on your cheeks?

My theory is there are multiple groups that have this control and they meet at these functions to discuss control issues. The big question is who mediates these meetings? How does the group that represent Kim Jong Ill and his friends get to not be slapped down for constantly poking the badger with the sharp stick in national TV? Or is that just part of the show?

And all this comes to my question I have asked several times here. Why is Israel so important? I am not asking that in an antisemitic way at all, I just want to know. Is there something to the Stargate theory? Is the holy land truly holy? Is Oil really so vitally important that we should continue to kill for it? Why have alternative fuels been suppressed? Have alternative fuels been suppressed? These things could bring about answers to the big question. But I have no idea how to find the answers.

"They" have an interest in keeping the population dumbed down. "They" possess technology 75 years in advance of where we are today.

"They" can make the world think "They" are.....GODS.

Think about that for awhile.You didn't mention which company your dad works for...I know someone who worked for Sylvania and it was in the early 1980's that he told me they developed a electric motor that could spin a generator and power itself, plus make extra usable energy.

30 years later we still haven't seen it.

Veterans Affairs was pushed to spend their money on Research instead of fixing Veterans. They have developed in implantable power supply that creates electricity from your pulse. Your blood veins expanding and contracting generates power:

www.research.va.gov/programs/tech_transfer/technologies/08-080.pdf

Since we are not seeing the non-crude oil power generation devices many people have formed Teams and have been creating new electrical circuits and devices...lots has came out in the last 3 years.

The "Joule Thief" is a circuit that can take those AA batteries you THINK are dead and can suck every last drop of power from them and power LED's for MONTHS....YEARS with a new battery. Instead of straight juice going to the LED the circuit pulsates an AC signal and emits electron by electron to light an LED....hyper efficient.

Japan created floor tiles with piezocrystals that generate power when people walk on them. The same crystal in your propane barbecue grill red button you push to start your fire.

Since the new technology has been suppressed......ignore the suppressors and make it yourself.

If everyone does....."They" will get mad they won't see revenue on that technology "They" suppressed since everyone is making their own....and we will see it released. Build a Joule Thief.

It will start your journey to power independence.

Originally posted by Pervius
"They" have an interest in keeping the population dumbed down. "They" possess technology 75 years in advance of where we are today.

"They" can make the world think "They" are.....GODS.

Boy, if this ain't the truth, I don't know what is!

Think about that for awhile.You didn't mention which company your dad works for...I know someone who worked for Sylvania and it was in the early 1980's that he told me they developed a electric motor that could spin a generator and power itself, plus make extra usable energy.

30 years later we still haven't seen it.

My dad worked for an aerospace contractor. I don't want to mention the name so as to give little in the way of info that could be used to, say, track me, or something. (Paranoid, I am...seemingly with good reason.)

Oh, methods of extracting free energy are all over the place - just very suppressed and hidden. Given that free energy would eliminate the need for money - and therefore destroy Their power over others - makes them fearful. They LIKE being in control.

Since the new technology has been suppressed......ignore the suppressors and make it yourself.

If everyone does....."They" will get mad they won't see revenue on that technology "They" suppressed since everyone is making their own....and we will see it released. Build a Joule Thief.

It will start your journey to power independence.

My husband is working on a device that will have substantial overunity. Between our impoverished life, trying to get our daughter back, and making ends meet, getting the material is a struggle. But when it is accomplished, it will be awesome, and I will post video here.

Originally posted by network dude
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Why have alternative fuels been suppressed? Have alternative fuels been suppressed? These things could bring about answers to the big question. But I have no idea how to find the answers.

Clearly, from my recently returned memories (ignited by reading Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, which mentions my dad's company several times relative to the research into electrogravitics and its subsequent secret status), They HAVE suppressed much info.

And as I said above... It is because the cheaper energy is, the less money we need. And free energy means we need no money (money being an accounting of energy expended in the final analysis) - since infinite money has no social application.

No money? No power over others.