Your thoughts and ideas are not your own, nor are they original

Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by WhizPhiz

 

I don't know whether it's true or not, but I've heard that Tesla had access to ancient knowledge stored in the Vatican library, and that's the source of his genius.

Did some Catholic tell you that? Someday they will tell us they have a spaceship in the basement.

reply to post by In nothing we trust
Well only a small % of us rise above our training....but some do and they are called original...which means they add new stuff to the pile.

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you know, that is funny. I had always thought discordianism was a spoof.

edit to add...i like your avatar now better. i don't know why...but i didn't like the Picasso-esque one as much.

reply to post by In nothing we trust


sounds a little stoic-ish

true we are not our thoughts, we are just "beings" ever present ONLY ever

Sorry but I can’t agree I will not agree and I encourage those who do to really think about this concept.

Why?

Because we ARE UNIQUE.

The growing trend of ‘UNI - Everything’ is appalling.

One sex, one religion, one concept, one thought.

And you want to know WHY this concept (turd that it is) is becoming so popular and being forcefed to us through media at every turn?

Because TPTB - They CAN’T FIGHT our uniqueness. They can’t fight and subdue original thought and original thinking, and self thing, self knowledge!

But they can fight us once they have as all battened down into one little ‘UNI’ box.
Just look out your window or at the idiot box you’re so tuned into!

Look at the ‘suits’! Just look at them! Men so caught up in fear they’re trapped in NWO skin!
Look at the ‘soccer moms’!
Look at the kids!
Everyone so freaking scared of being original and walking, talking, eating, being, dressing, original we’re turning into a bunch of cookie-cutter robots!

And all because that’s what ‘they’ want - cause ‘they’ can’t fight us any other way.

Like I’ve said before and will keep saying:

- Explore your true culture and revel in it! Don’t allow yourself or your children to become ‘Westernized’ just so you fit in with Paris Hilton!

- Explore your belief system and support it with all your heart!

- BE who you ARE, and be happy in who you are! Do NOT try to change yourself to fit in everyone else's mold!

In other words, don’t fall into the NWO (crap) TRAP of nothing is new, no one is unique, there’s nothing left in the world but what they (TPTB) serve up to you as fodder.

Each and every person who doesn’t fall for being sucked in to being and doing and thinking just like everyone else?
Is one more nail in the coffin of the NWO!

There's nothing new under the sun? Oh yes there is! Search for it! Find it! BE IT!

Remember people! The people who share the same hilosophy as the OP? The one who's avatar is 'in NOTHING we trust' and spouting 'WAR only WAR'?

He and the ones before him are the ones that insisted the world was flat - because it would slip from their control if it were any other way.

Wake up People and don't get sucked into the BS!

peace

reply to post by silo13


I agree with your sentiment. But i urge any and all readers to not allow personal sentiment to create a block that directs us into ignorance.

If we have free will, so much the better. But it is not determined. Of course, we could not seek the answer and accept the current appearance of free will as the final answer. But that is an ignorant desire.

In the end, if i come up with a thought there is a high likelyhood that someone else thought of it already. If not, then what has happened is I have created an original thought by joining previously disjointed thoughts.

But like the universe, nothing is new. It is all just recycled.

Memetics is a theory of mental content based on an analogy with Darwinian evolution, originating from Richard Dawkins' 1976 book The Selfish Gene. It purports to be an approach to evolutionary models of cultural information transfer. A meme, analogous to a gene, is essentially a "unit of culture"—an idea, belief, pattern of behaviour, etc. which is "hosted" in one or more individual minds, and which can reproduce itself from mind to mind. Thus what would otherwise be regarded as one individual influencing another to adopt a belief is seen memetically as a meme reproducing itself. As with genetics, particularly under Dawkins's interpretation, a meme's success may be due to its contribution to the effectiveness of its host. Memetics is notable for sidestepping the traditional concern with the truth of ideas and beliefs

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

Hi ya BFFT

But like the universe, nothing is new. It is all just recycled.

I can see your point, but, honestly? If that were true why would people even bother?
That kind of closed minded thinking does nothing but rob each and every man woman and child of hope.

Naw, can't buy it, will not buy it and will not even go there.

I believe in hope.

There is so much MORE to us and what’s OUT THERE - It’s only our small little minds subscribing to these inane philosophies that's stopping us from finding out just WHO and WHAT we really are.

And who and what we really are sure as hell isn’t a being that would subscribe in 'we been there done that' way of thinking.

With respect and thanks for your response,

peace & Happy New Year!

Just because they aren't independent of the input received in my brain since birth doesn't mean some of them aren't original. Original meaning: not having been thought before. It's entirely possible I've had original thoughts. People have original thoughts all the time. Those that aren't original are no more inherently worth less just because someone thought them before. I really have no idea what your point is. I believe what I believe based on reason and evidence.

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Hear ,Hear!!! that is all true and well put!!
TPTB are terrified of us ,because we think, so they try to marginalize,and minimize thinkers ,they steal their thoughts ,Tessla being a prime example.

I'm not buying it there wouldn't be a war on uniqueness if it weren't by it's very existence anti TPTB
anybody who thinks the universe is' just' a recycling dump is buried under a landslide of TPTB programing

don't worry we're coming to get you!!!

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Unless you were born and raised in a vacuum your ideas and thoughts are not your own, nor are they original.

...my thoughts are my own... if you want to minimize your brain or believe someone / something controls your brain, thats paranoid thinking but believe whatever you want...

...i've heard / read that original thoughts no longer exist (karl jung? joseph campbell?)... it may be true that you can trace every modern application back to an ancient source but that does not make the modern application a not-original thought...

reply to post by Mary Rose


When your avatar is in the peripheral, it looks like The Count.

Anyways, the thread topic is a very depressing truth. It's much like dreams.. I'm a firm believer that everything you 'see' in a dream; textures, objects, places.. are all pieced together from the image library in your memory. Your brain never really creates anything 'new' per se. A recalling of the old with modifications.

Psychedelics could be an exception?

reply to post by jessejamesxx
How about when you dream of something, anything, a person place or thing in terms and clear ways that you had never figure with the subject? Like say you have a dream of someone that you take seriously like your doctor...he comes into the room dressed up like Bozo the Clown, to do an exam. In your wildest waking moments you never made such a connection.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Hi ya BFFT

But like the universe, nothing is new. It is all just recycled.

I can see your point, but, honestly? If that were true why would people even bother?
That kind of closed minded thinking does nothing but rob each and every man woman and child of hope.

Naw, can't buy it, will not buy it and will not even go there.

I believe in hope.

There is so much MORE to us and what’s OUT THERE - It’s only our small little minds subscribing to these inane philosophies that's stopping us from finding out just WHO and WHAT we really are.

And who and what we really are sure as hell isn’t a being that would subscribe in 'we been there done that' way of thinking.

With respect and thanks for your response,

peace & Happy New Year!

You know, i think about this a lot. A few ideas:

- free will is illusory, based on our inability to perceive time in anything other than the one way street we see it as. reasons for being in such a system:
- the experience. we have much to learn by experience, and there is no shortage of new experience in life as we find all manner of combinations of things that happen in juxtaposition of other things
- to create something specific. in predeterminism you can foresee a far flung end result when you set actions in motion. Like George Carlin says, maybe our sole purpose on Earth was to create styrofoam (or was that Douglas Adams?)

- free will is partially illusory. the future(s) are determined, but we can change the path into a separate future. In this concept, you have all possible combinations of actions happening, played out in one of countless iterations of reality. Our lives are just the weaving through these realities, choosing the paths as we go along and make a different decision. Reasons for "being" in such a system:
- once again, experience. in this system it is more dynamic, however, as you create the reality you experience via your decisions
- this concept may not allow for a "reason for being".

- Free will runs the universe. Each decision is independant of others, and the causative nature of all that we observe and believe to be true is an illusion. Yes, this may be possible...but so hard to figure out how it could work that i have given up on it entirely.

My bets are that free will is partially an illusion. We know that choices are limited by happenstance....thus choking free will to some degree.

It is interesting. If we could answer this question, we could see the eyes of God, i think. How do you attempt to understand a mind that is so far beyond understanding?

reply to post by Logarock


I'm just saying that it would be bozo the clown from TV, wearing a stereotypical lab coat, speaking in a voice you've heard before.

One could even argue that dreams are complicated math problems using variables, each variable symbolizing something in your dream recalled by your memory (or better yet, defragmentation of the brain).

Kind of like a Family Guy episode, a random person/place/thing jumbled together for a spontaneous "joke" that is "hilarious".

Originally posted by WhizPhiz

You claim Nikola Tesla didn't come up with anything original? Pfffttt...

Original thinkers are few and far between and are often ostracized, feared and ridiculed by ignorant peasants and thier power hungry oppresive rulers.

Originally posted by pepsi78

Learning really is it, how can you ride a bike if you don;t know how, you got to think of how to do it.

I see it this way.
What is this = thinking. Link building.
Thinking is really based on the question mark.

More and more we as a society are being programmed (Told what to think) instead of thinking for ourselves.

reply to post by WhizPhiz


no he borrowed everything from ancient aleins DUH!!!!

reply to post by jessejamesxx


very interesting avatar you portrey there..

Originally posted by ScepticalBeliever

To a degree, I agree. However, if it were 100% the case, we, as a species, would have died off long ago. No-one would have invented fire, no-one would have invented the wheel, no-one would have thought of hunting- not unless that damn snake told us to, anyway..unless you believe the ancient astronaut theory, that is.

To an extent everything originates from something else.

I think there is very little of anything that is 100% original.