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"But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
Matthew 7:14 (New International Version, ©2010)
www.biblegateway.com...:14&version=NIV
Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to post by NewAgeMan
I always took that verse to mean.... Salvation isn't as easy as simply saying and believing, "Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior." In my opinion, this is a perversion taught by church leaders.
I always understood this verse to mean one must live an upright moral life. One must be pure as a child at heart, and righteous by deeds. Character is more important than doctrine or dogma.
When discussing and debating Christianity, I do not accept any writings from St. Paul. Every other book from the Bible is acceptable to me, but I take no ear or heed to the writings of Paul.
I don't have the time right now, but I will say that this easy road salvation idea, where Jesus does everything (although I understand the unmerited gift part of his Great Work) just doesn't seem to me, to be the key to understanding this saying,..
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Myrtales Instinct
I do and I am. But maybe this isn't the best place to talk about such things, given its very sacred nature, and incaculable value. What do you think about that?
I don't want to undermine anything of such magnitude, which i call the Great Work of All Ages.
Probably 95% of the people at ATS don't seem to be ready for this type of thing.
Please give me some guidance in this regard, because I know that anything I put my mind to, and then fingers to keyboard, can be described, or pointed to, very effectively.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Cool! Very interesting responses (strangely, no flags, not that I need them, just curious).
I don't have the time right now, but I will say that this easy road salvation idea, where Jesus does everything (although I understand the unmerited gift part of his Great Work) just doesn't seem to me, to be the key to understanding this saying, which reminds me of his encouragement to "pick up your cross and follow me". Yes, Jesus blazed this trail and I understand that he is the gate, but what I'm thinking of here is the eternal life realized and experienced through this narrow way, since I know it's not a thing to be put off until a later date, or until death, or some freaky 2nd coming. Jesus wanted these things to be completed, and he indeed did all the work so that we can come into an inheritance that we did not work for. But there is still something here to DO, or to undo, at the very deepest level of ourselves, other than to simply believe and recieve, there is a Great Work here for us also to do or perform, and no I don't mean "works" in the traditional sense as in charity, but some sort of spiritual transformation leading to the realization of the life eternal, even now.
Perhaps even if it can be discovered it is best not to try to convey openly at a place like this in mere words on a screen - what are your thoughts about that, about how in trying to work such things out here, we are throwing pearls before swine (and there are swine in search of pearls to trample wherever possible)?
Pondering....
edit on 29-12-2010 by NewAgeMan because: error fixed
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by NewAgeMan
I don't think you're looking at "narrow" the correct way. Narrow could also mean "singular". I hear what you're saying, but caution must be made when an idea or interpretation of a verse contradicts other verses on the same subject. (Romans 10:9, John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:13).
Consider that what Christ was saying by "narrow" to be "I'm the ONLY way, there is no other way, all other paths lead to destruction."
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Perhaps even if it can be discovered it is best not to try to convey openly at a place like this in mere words on a screen - what are your thoughts about that, about how in trying to work such things out here, we are throwing pearls before swine (and there are swine in search of pearls to trample wherever possible)?
Pondering....
edit on 29-12-2010 by NewAgeMan because: error fixed