HAARP Acknowledged officially by EU as a very dangerous wapen

Originally posted by EartOccupant
This whole transcript is very disturbing.

According to the EU the Americans have f*cked up the Van Allen belt for the next few hundred years!

Since the early '50s, the U.S. in the Van Allen belts nuclear material detonated to investigate the effects of nuclear explosions at such high altitudes because of the electromagnetic pulses during the explosion, had for the transmission of radio signals and operation of radar. This created new radiation belts almost the whole earth. The electrons move along magnetic field lines over the Arctic and created an artificial aurora. The danger is that the Van Allen belt arising from these military trials of serious and prolonged disruption is. The magnetic field of the earth over large areas can be disturbed so that radio communications impossible. According to U.S. scientists can take hundreds of years for the Van Allen belt to return to normal.

edit on 28-12-2010 by EartOccupant because: (no reason given)

Correction......The "American Government", not the Americans. The American people are tired of being blamed for the actions of a rogue, out of control, oppressive, mind-manipulating government who tells us we are free whilst stealing from us, lying to us, doing things like this in OUR name and having the rest of the world to hate the American people for something we have no control over. We don't like what our government is doing and despite our votes, we know they really don't count. They put into office who they want to put into office and then try to make it look like we voted the tyrant in by media pushing and polls. We can't stop these government entities, but we certainly, as a people, don't want to take the blame for it. We get up and go to work and work hard and can barely feed our families or keep a roof over our head because of Bush and Obama, they won't tell us anything about HAARP either.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by stewalters1

 

The reason no one us united against HAARP is because it isn't a weapon and doesn't control the weather. Despite what the EU in 1999 may have thought HAARP is harmless and, although it does have military applications, those applications have absolutely nothing to do with being a weather controlling death ray.

What is going on here is called an argument from authority and it works like this:

Some people in the EU in the 90s thought HAARP was a weapon therefore HAARP is probably a weapon.

Without evidence to support the conclusion the words of the authority are essentially useless and potentially misleading.

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The United Nations doesn't make a treaty unless there is a real existing danger of something being used nefariously.

1976 UN Weather Weapons Treaty

Originally posted by EartOccupant
reply to post by backinblack

 

From the article:

Similar experiments are also conducted in Norway, probably in the Antarctic, but also in the former Soviet Union (23).

Remember this was way back in 1999

Remember the Norway Spiral?




Also a couple in china and Russia? Here is a patent describing what they were doing and how they did it.

Method of creating an artificial electron cyclotron resonance heating region of plasma

This hints as to how dangerous this could be to all of us.

....Sorry, internet went down, double post.

Originally posted by Illustronic
In addition, by bouncing signals off the ionosphere at at altitude of 100km, HAARP has been able to create Extremely Low Frequency, or ELF, waves as low as 1 Hertz, which can potentially be used for worldwide communication including reaching submarines, though at an almost uselessly slow data rate. But before you conclude that these ELF waves might be used for creating earthquakes, note that the maximum ELF signal amplitude produced by HAARP has been measured at less than one ten-millionth of the Earth's natural background field.

Ok, so are you saying that HAARP can't 'shout' loud enough to be heard over the earth's 'noise'?, so to speak.

What if every station around the world fired off to the same point of the ionosphere? would it be a 'loud' enough signal then?

-B.M

reply to post by Phenomium


A treaty from 1976 has something to do with HAARP? HAARP was started in the 90s, not the 70s.

I am aware of, and have never denied, the possibility that governments are looking into weather control technology. They very well may be working on such devices however HAARP is not one of them. In fact HAARP isn't even classified and offers open houses to the public to anyone who really is all that curious.

Some relevant materials online...

www.globalresearch.ca...
www.haarp.net...
www.borderlands.com...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
(The above has a timeline of related HAARP developments starting in 1886)
loveforlife.com.au...

There is some well researched material on the subject found by Google'ing "global research haarp". Check out the references for the articles...
Enjoy the reading / videos.

Taleo.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by backinblack

 

Well actually it's what the University of Alaska tells me.

But that's neither her nor there, fact is we've only got what we've got to work on and I'll go with that rather than making up fairy tales.

OK, but you didn't tell me what's at Pine Gap..

BTW, If I had a sneaky weapon I'd set up something like the Alaska site and let everyone see what it does..
But what of all the other sites we know little or nothing about.??

It's not about what that particular site can do.
It's what the technology can do, that is the big question...

reply to post by Illustronic

There are several other similar research stations around the world, namely the Sura facility in Russia, EISCAT in Norway, the Arecibo observatory in Puerto Rico, and the HIPAS observatory near Fairbanks, operated by UCLA.

It is good that you have named 4 other HAARP stations, there are more and not all are open the the public like Pine Gap, Nurrungar and Exmouth Bay here in Australia. Some reports suggest up to 36 HAARP sites exist around the world, hard to find the actual number.

Sadly for the conspiracy theorists, HAARP has no potential to affect weather. The frequency of energy that HAARP transmits cannot be absorbed by the troposphere or the stratosphere, only by the ionosphere, many miles higher than the highest atmospheric weather systems.

Just because most of the released papers and research focus on the ionosphere does not mean there are consequences on the other atmosphere layers below it. Heating and lensing are common terms associated to the electomagentic wave propagation of HAARP on the ionosphere. A Congressional Executive Summary does indicates in section 2.7. that Generation of Ionization Layers Below 90 Km is possible in 400MHz to 3GHz range. www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Communication and navigation signals are sent through the atmosphere for a broad range of civilian and military purposes.

Yes, this is one application of HAARP as well as over the horizon and ground penetrating radar.

But before you conclude that these ELF waves might be used for creating earthquakes, note that the maximum ELF signal amplitude produced by HAARP has been measured at less than one ten-millionth of the Earth's natural background field.

If we where able to harness all the sun's energy that hit the earth in a single day it would supply all our energy needs for a very long time. Even a nuclear explosion is quite insignificant to the level of energy received from the sun and contained in the Earth, but still devastating none the less. While your explanation sounds good it is scientifically hazy.

Page 27 from a 2003 Stanford University study calculated this to mean a few hundred watts, or enough to cook a can of baked beans in a few minutes. www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Hugo Chavez accuses U.S. of using weapon to cause Haiti quake. Not the kind of thing a President would say without some evidence to support his claim. www.digitaljournal.com...

So if HAARP is so anticlimactically mundane, why all the conspiracy theories?

Trust. Wikileaks, 9/11, Iraq and other scandals means we know we will be sold out if big business can make a dollar out of it. Either we start watching our backs or it will get knifed from the next big merger. Think about it.

reply to post by backinblack

OK, but you didn't tell me what's at Pine Gap..

That's because we don't know (apart from satellite tracking) and that's how a real top secret facility works.

BTW, If I had a sneaky weapon I'd set up something like the Alaska site and let everyone see what it does..
But what of all the other sites we know little or nothing about.??

See above, places we know nothing about are the ones of interest, there's no point in playing games or creating a false front to trick a small group of conspiracy theorists.

It's not about what that particular site can do. It's what the technology can do, that is the big question...

aWell it is about this facility though, it's always HAARP this and HAARP that and from what we know, HAARP can't any of what the conspiracy theories say, maybe the others do but I'm doubtful.

You know, all this talk of HAARP being a weapon makes me wonder about the hysterics there would be if nuclear energy was being first developed today instead of 50 years ago...

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
The reason no one us united against HAARP is because it isn't a weapon and doesn't control the weather. Despite what the EU in 1999 may have thought HAARP is harmless and, although it does have military applications, those applications have absolutely nothing to do with being a weather controlling death ray.

Without evidence to support the conclusion the words of the authority are essentially useless and potentially misleading.

no evidence that HAARP is a weapon ???
hmmmm

reply to post by boondock-saint


Really? Tesla's Earthquake machine?

I am aware of the rumors that Tesla had claimed to build a death ray that could split the Earth in two. That has nothing to do with HAARP. His so called earthquake machine was built on Mythbusters and has even less in common with HAARP than his supposed death ray.

If the idea had had any merit we would have seen the government jump on it long before the 90s. Considering that Tesla died in 1943 when such technology would have proved massively useful for the allies and the device was never reported to look anything like HAARP I think the two as entirely unrelated.