The Shrike Defends Lunar Alien Artifact/Structures - Seriouosly!

Yea, you read my mostly negative replies to those claiming that they see alien artifacts, structures and mining on the surface of the moon as photographed by NASA equipment and astronauts. I say phooey to those claims because, in reality, no one has yet to show a clear photograph of such anomalies. Usually, the photos are blurry, overpixelated, colorized, etc. Pareidolia plays a big part in their conclusions. Some members also go to YouTube and post videos allegedly showing artifacts. Websites are dedicated to tons of these pictures and yet they all have one thing in common: failure of convincing. Convincing people like me who have devoted a lot of years and time (me, since the early '80s) to debunking such claims, with success.

So how did I defend lunar artifacts/structures and yet be such a hard.n here? No problema. Look at the photo below which I took of a handbill I own. It is of a UFO seminar that took place on January 28, 1984 at THE CIVIC AUDITORIUM, CULVER CITY VETERAN'S MEMORIAL BLDG, CULVER CITY, California. You can't read my notes in red on the left edge but here's what I wrote: "Just as the panel on the stage (Friedman, Moore, and another guest) started to close the proceedings, I got up, interrupted them & said that the seminar wasn't over until the panel explained what the moon photos in the lobby showed. I also told them that the seminar was really a rehash of the same old B.S., i.e., Roswell, etc."

As you can see I've always been outspoken. Here's what happened in the lobby. There was a guy with a table covered with lots of overlappin' poster-size NASA photos. AND they showed anomalies, structures! Real ones! Not the junk you see posted here and elsewhere by Zorgon, Mike Singh, John Lear, et al. I was impressed, to say the least! So I had to speak up because this was the place and these were the people. But Friedman just gave his patented b.s. and Moore didn't really add that much of interest. I forgot what the other guest contributed but like I said, it was the same ol' b.s. I think he was a MUFON rep 'cause that's who you had to get the tickets from.

Now, has anyone here ever heard of Evyn Hayworth? He was manning that table and while we did remain in contact eventually we drifted off. He used to have a business called Lunar Photos in Van Nuys, Calif., I think.

Now, back to lambasting!

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The Shrike Defends Lunar Alien Artifact/Structures - Seriouosly!

Do you always speak of yourself in the third person?
i just find that a little odd, i had a cousin that did that and he also kept pictures of himself in his wallet

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It's like in seinfeld: "Don't touch JIMMY! Kramer ruined Jimmy's life! Hands off JIMMY!!!"

vinunleaded is going to contribute to this thread by pointing out the posts above him dont contribute to the thread at all

I believe theres a thread here where a ATS member has found a mars obelisk in google earth and he gave out the coordinates.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by corsair00
The Shrike is a wanna-be Penn & Teller and is also a narcissist.

What is this thread supposed to be about ?
Self-aggrandizement ?

Just in case you jerkos missed this, it's at the top of the page.

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Can you remember what the photos showed? Were they similar to any of the photos in George H Leonard's book 'Someone Else Is On Our Moon'? I don't have a copy of the book but did borrow it from a friend about 20 years ago. From what I remember there were photos of what were supposedly giant 'X' shaped mining drones kicking up dust (and I don't think they were simply those cross-hairs you get on the Apollo pictures).

Not sure what is going on here, I feel like I'm awaiting a punchline that's swinging in from an odd tangent.

While I like to hear of an open mind I just hang back when you are intimating you have one

I will do some digging about the person you suggest but in the meanwhile would you enlighten us as to what you found so interesting about a set of photo's seen on a table at a UFO seminar that you went to for the reason of debunking the 'elite' (add sarcasm to that please). What could you have possibly seen that would give you any interest in a person who's name isn't well know afaik.

I'm hedging my bets here and I think the answer is NOTHING, perhaps this is a roundabout strike as to illustrate how people are so wishing for it that they would take photo's at a seminar on a paste table and take them at face value.

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Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Can you remember what the photos showed? Were they similar to any of the photos in George H Leonard's book 'Someone Else Is On Our Moon'? I don't have a copy of the book but did borrow it from a friend about 20 years ago. From what I remember there were photos of what were supposedly giant 'X' shaped mining drones kicking up dust (and I don't think they were simply those cross-hairs you get on the Apollo pictures).

I just sold the book on eBay but I did keep this in my saved notes:
www.think-aboutit.com...
"List of Lunar Anomalies
The above listed PHENOMENA descriptions were taken from the book "Somebody Else is on the Moon". NASA plate numbers and plate descriptions are freely available and listed on all NASA public moon plate photographs."

That website lists the photo numbers as used by Leonard but he mostly used the wrong photo numbers so it's a give and take search to find the real photo and if you don't have the book, almost impossible. You can then find them most easily on Goggle Images which can then lead you to solid sources such as NASA. You can use the description given by Leonard under each photo number to see if you see what he claims. Keep in mind that readers of the book had to be satisfied with small versions of the photos not always reproduced with proper contrast, etc.

The mining operations should not be confused with the crosshairs, called reseau marks. The photos really didn't show what Leonard claimed as you'll see when you research and see the photos. He even called high albedo on the crater unnamed crater Lobachevsky "Pure energy flowing Northwest of King Crater over crater rim"! Fred Steckling called the albedo a "LARGE CLOUD BANK hugging the crater's edge" and he, at least, names the crater! lLeonard used 72-H-1113 as the photo number which was meaningless as it is really Apollo 16 16-758

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Not sure what is going on here, I feel like I'm awaiting a punchline that's swinging in from an odd tangent.

While I like to hear of an open mind I just hang back when you are intimating you have one

I will do some digging about the person you suggest but in the meanwhile would you enlighten us as to what you found so interesting about a set of photo's seen on a table at a UFO seminar that you went to for the reason of debunking the 'elite' (add sarcasm to that please). What could you have possibly seen that would give you any interest in a person who's name isn't well know afaik.

I'm hedging my bets here and I think the answer is NOTHING, perhaps this is a roundabout strike as to illustrate how people are so wishing for it that they would take photo's at a seminar on a paste table and take them at face value.

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Look again at the photo of the flyer, 1984. 26 years ago and you hassle for details that were fleeting? Find the guy if you can which not only will be appreciated but perhaps he might chime in about his photos. And why do you say, from my comments, that I went to that seminar "...for the reason of debunking the 'elite'..." Put your sarcasm aside and if my thread drives you to sarcasm, perhaps there are other more interesting threads where you can add something positive to the discussion.

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Why don't you just post the pictires??
Otherwise I really see no point in this thread..

Everyone already knows everything there is to know about you..
Why.?? Because you tell us so often..

Originally posted by The Shrike

Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Can you remember what the photos showed? Were they similar to any of the photos in George H Leonard's book 'Someone Else Is On Our Moon'? I don't have a copy of the book but did borrow it from a friend about 20 years ago. From what I remember there were photos of what were supposedly giant 'X' shaped mining drones kicking up dust (and I don't think they were simply those cross-hairs you get on the Apollo pictures).

I just sold the book on eBay but I did keep this in my saved notes:
www.think-aboutit.com...
"List of Lunar Anomalies
The above listed PHENOMENA descriptions were taken from the book "Somebody Else is on the Moon". NASA plate numbers and plate descriptions are freely available and listed on all NASA public moon plate photographs."

That website lists the photo numbers as used by Leonard but he mostly used the wrong photo numbers so it's a give and take search to find the real photo and if you don't have the book, almost impossible. You can then find them most easily on Goggle Images which can then lead you to solid sources such as NASA. You can use the description given by Leonard under each photo number to see if you see what he claims. Keep in mind that readers of the book had to be satisfied with small versions of the photos not always reproduced with proper contrast, etc.

The mining operations should not be confused with the crosshairs, called reseau marks. The photos really didn't show what Leonard claimed as you'll see when you research and see the photos. He even called high albedo on the crater unnamed crater Lobachevsky "Pure energy flowing Northwest of King Crater over crater rim"! Fred Steckling called the albedo a "LARGE CLOUD BANK hugging the crater's edge" and he, at least, names the crater! lLeonard used 72-H-1113 as the photo number which was meaningless as it is really Apollo 16 16-758

I didn't remember until I was in bed last night that even though I said above that I sold my copy of George Leonard's book "SOMEBODY ELSE IS ON THE MOON" that was a second copy that I acquired which still had the photo section attached. I do have my original copy with all of the notes on each photo which I had to separate from the book and that I was able to identify the NASA number to plus I took digital photos of the book's photos so if you have any questions about the book's contents or want to see a particular photo I can oblige.

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I didn't remember until I was in bed last night that even though I said above that I sold my copy of George Leonard's book "SOMEBODY ELSE IS ON THE MOON" that was a second copy that I acquired which still had the photo section attached. I do have my original copy with all of the notes on each photo which I had to separate from the book and that I was able to identify the NASA number to plus I took digital photos of the book's photos so if you have any questions about the book's contents or want to see a particular photo I can oblige.

So post the pics..!!!
Pretty useless thread without them..

Originally posted by backinblack
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I didn't remember until I was in bed last night that even though I said above that I sold my copy of George Leonard's book "SOMEBODY ELSE IS ON THE MOON" that was a second copy that I acquired which still had the photo section attached. I do have my original copy with all of the notes on each photo which I had to separate from the book and that I was able to identify the NASA number to plus I took digital photos of the book's photos so if you have any questions about the book's contents or want to see a particular photo I can oblige.

So post the pics..!!!
Pretty useless thread without them.

You want me to post close to or over 200 photos? What purpose will that serve? The intent of my thread was to tell all of my critics that at one time I was impressed enough with what seemed actual evidence of lunar anomalies and not what is presented now ad nauseum. There is no way that I'm going to endorse any present effort by those who are subject to pareidolia. The photos that I saw were huge, poster size. Showing more detail than anything anyone's offered. And, obviously, the ones that I saw don't seem to be included in the ones being shown.

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What were some of the more memorable or impressive ones?

Was there anything that really stuck out at you? Could you describe them in words, please?

I'd really like to have a better idea of what that guy had at the time.

Originally posted by Adept_Zero
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What were some of the more memorable or impressive ones?

Was there anything that really stuck out at you? Could you describe them in words, please?

I'd really like to have a better idea of what that guy had at the time.

The only way that I could satisfy your curiosity, and mine, would be to be hypnotized and regressed to that day, to the seminar. With hindsight all I can say is that I must have been in some kind of stupor what with the event's vibes, people all over the place bumping into one another, a lot of other vendors, a limited time before we had to go back to the auditorium for the next presentation, waiting for something unusual to be shown and being disappointed when they didn't deliver. I flipped through the piles of photos much as someone looks through fabrics moving them aside to see what's underneath. The temper of the times are all now a hazy memory.

A few minutes ago I wrote to the MUFON Director asking for his help in seeing if they had the archives of that seminar which might include the vendors. I gave him two names to check on: Evyn Hayworth and Jim Safran. If either is familiar to you or you find any info on either, posting it in this thread will be appreciated.

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You want me to post close to or over 200 photos? What purpose will that serve? The intent of my thread was to tell all of my critics that at one time I was impressed enough with what seemed actual evidence of lunar anomalies and not what is presented now ad nauseum. There is no way that I'm going to endorse any present effort by those who are subject to pareidolia. The photos that I saw were huge, poster size. Showing more detail than anything anyone's offered. And, obviously, the ones that I saw don't seem to be included in the ones being shown.

No mate, we really only need one credible pic but if you are feeling generous, then maybe a few..

Really, your thread is pure opinion without posting one of the pics that you actually believe to show something unexplained..
Some may say your thread is just to stir up arguments unless you can substantiate what you saw that swayed you..

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That would be sweet. If you can scan one of the photos of the supposed X mining drones that would be cool. Happy to listen to any debunking of same as well.

I can't really remember anything else of note. Did he claim to see towers? My main memory is of the Xs and of really squinting hard to try and see what it was the author was seeing Every so often I search the web for a second hand copy but they are quite expensive.